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TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017




If the Russians STILL don't have air superiority established aren't those armored columns and convoys easy pickings?

This is mind boggling to me. I thought Russia had a pretty good and modern airforce?

They're being outgunned by MiGs?

TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Feb 26, 2022

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:rolleyes:
Apr 2, 2002


fortunately unlike everyone in Ukraine right now, we're all keyboard warriors here so the decision to take this probation for the cause is a really easy one: this is the worst collection of "leftists" this side of national socialism. The brain rot goes deep.

e: one for the road



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:rolleyes: fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Feb 26, 2022

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

TulliusCicero posted:

You would think Germany wouldn't be a fan of overt Russian aggression and have more willingness to respond, given the bad blood there

There's still a lot of pro-Russian sentiment in Germany, particularly in Eastern Germany amongst the reactionary rightwing. Merkel's drive to normalize relations with Putin and build pipelines and other economic ties between the two countries can be seen in that light.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Not going great in the north maybe.

Google translation of the below:

‼ ️ During the battles for Chernihiv as a result of a lightning attack together with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, NMU servicemen managed to return to their positions in a flash and capture 2 🇷🇺 occupiers who did not even have time to react to what happened, were very confused. One of them is the Chief of Staff of unit 41659.

https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1497584608556240898?t=lUKm3h7vZ9EGR2wdHdMl5A&s=19

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat

ronya posted:

TheBaseLeg deleted the tweets, but was just fpleitgenCNN's earlier tweet showing the convoy rolling by + the same video of the a destroyed convoy (not necessarily exactly the same one)

https://twitter.com/fpleitgenCNN/status/1497504471277969417
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1497570462464942086

... I'm still stunned that a CNN correspondent, presumably known and registered to the government, is just chilling on the side of the road in Russia cheerfully filming movements to the front

I am not convinced it's the same convoy. The white vans in the intact video are newish Ford Transits, while the burnt up ones look more like older Gazelles.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

the popes toes posted:

Isn't the US the lynch pin on this? Last I understood they were not on board.

It's all leaks and rumour. Quite rightly nobody is calling out who the holdouts are/were because when you are doing serious diplomacy behind closed doors between friends that kind of behaviour isn't helpful.

The media bubble seems to think that over the course of the last 24 hours there's been significant movement from the holdouts and there's been a rash of formal announcements from suspected holdouts that they are on board, but until something is announced we just don't know.

von Vicious
Apr 2, 2015

I'M A GINGER BABY WwwWWaaAaAhhH!!!
https://twitter.com/Tsihanouskaya/status/1497583706038484996?cxt=HHwWiICyvcacvsgpAAAA

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

Libluini posted:

maybe some Russian officer really hates riot police too and made sure those guys were ordered to just drive in a straight line through Ukraine until the inevitable happened

Could be an extension of each combat arm sniffing their own farts and doing whatever they wanted.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


TulliusCicero posted:

If the Russians STILL don't have air superiority established aren't those armored columns and convoys easy pickings?

This is mind boggling to me. I thought Russia had a pretty good and modern airforce?

They're being outgunned by MiGs?

so far the invasion is the worlds second most powerful military launching an imperialist war and then promptly falling on 10,000 banana peels on their way to the front

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

TulliusCicero posted:

You would think Germany wouldn't be a fan of overt Russian aggression and have more willingness to respond, given the bad blood there

Apparently it's just Scholz alone now opposing the SWIFT-ban. Even his own party has started screaming at him to just drop it.

MadJackal
Apr 30, 2004

Crazyweasel posted:

I know it is a minor thing in comparison with what is happening to actual Ukrainians on the ground, but I have to imagine this must be very validating for Western intelligence. They clearly had no problem sniffing out and broadcasting what Putin was going to do in the lead up, and I have to imagine some of the early successes from Ukraine are likely due to complete intelligence overmatch. From what I understand it is basically a big flat area where satellites and who knows what else can see and pick up everything.

I mean, I want to say yea this is day 3 and there is a huge fog of war, and we are all just Twitter experts but it is really hard to reconcile the idea of Russia as a threat to the West (outside of Nukes) after 30+ years of being told they were a boogeyman that could unleash havoc via EW/Cyber/conventional warfare at any moment, with what we are kinda seeing now.

Almost as if we’ve (Americans) have been lied to? :aaaaa:

Or maybe America’s entire military tech and intelligence structure was built to counter conventional mass Soviet armor groups, and the scenario of smaller ground forces with advanced weaponry and near-perfect intel are faring well.

Also I’d say Russia’s influence in the 2016 election was a pretty successful considering half the country was all about her emails.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

FishBulbia posted:

https://twitter.com/poppoppopkt/status/1497485834236346368?s=20&t=cxPoiGvlCuiMp2XQQgEK0A

First real indications of Urban insurgency.

Looks like they're taking notes though and are bypassing most cities.

Why are the Russians traveling solo? In cities?!

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

:rolleyes: posted:

fortunately unlike everyone in Ukraine right now, we're all keyboard warriors here so the decision to take this probation for the cause is a really easy one: this is the worst collection of "leftists" this side of national socialism. The brain rot goes deep.

If this was WW2 these people would be providing critical support to Comrade Hitler in the battle against American Imperialism, because there's "socialism" in "national socialism"

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

TulliusCicero posted:

If the Russians STILL don't have air superiority established aren't those armored columns and convoys easy pickings?


Surely Russia has air superiority by default, and what they dont have is air supremacy.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Libluini posted:

Apparently it's just Scholz alone now opposing the SWIFT-ban. Even his own party has started screaming at him to just drop it.

According to the German thread, at this moment the German minister of finance is signalling that the government is going to back off and allow the sanctions. Allegedly.





OctaMurk posted:

If this was WW2 these people would be providing critical support to Comrade Hitler in the battle against American Imperialism, because there's "socialism" in "national socialism"

Sadly SA has become the Nazbol central, and apparently this is something important to maintain at all costs.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Feb 26, 2022

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

:rolleyes: posted:



fortunately unlike everyone in Ukraine right now, we're all keyboard warriors here so the decision to take this probation for the cause is a really easy one: this is the worst collection of "leftists" this side of national socialism. The brain rot goes deep.

discussing Ukrainian nationalism is perfectly valid. Implying that the government is fascist is not. There are far right nationalist and nazis in there like there are in every country in Europe. There are contentious issues of historical memory too. But this is truely an ant-hill compared to what is happening now. We should allow these people to admit they're mistaken so they dont all double down.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

TulliusCicero posted:

If the Russians STILL don't have air superiority established aren't those armored columns and convoys easy pickings?

This is mind boggling to me. I thought Russia had a pretty good and modern airforce?

They're being outgunned by MiGs?

I think the most shocking thing to me is that almost all of Ukraine air defenses were designed by the Soviet Union and often in centers based in Russia. And yet Russia doesn't have the ability to jam equipment they developed?

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

TheRat posted:

Surely Russia has air superiority by default, and what they dont have is air supremacy.

Supposedly the ukr Air Force is shooting down transport jets; so that seems iffy. We also don’t see evidence that there are any CAPs up in the air.

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

Young Freud posted:

Why are the Russians traveling solo? In cities?!

I'm guessing they mistakenly think pushing the Ukrainian forces out means they control the region

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

:rolleyes: posted:



fortunately unlike everyone in Ukraine right now, we're all keyboard warriors here so the decision to take this probation for the cause is a really easy one: this is the worst collection of "leftists" this side of national socialism. The brain rot goes deep.

e: one for the road



Between this poo poo and the DSA coming out in support of Putin I'm starting to believe that goons.txt post

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

freeasinbeer posted:

Supposedly the ukr Air Force is shooting down transport jets

We've seen zero evidence of that still though, which is rather suspect.

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

freeasinbeer posted:

Supposedly the ukr Air Force is shooting down transport jets; so that seems iffy. We also don’t see evidence that there are any CAPs up in the air.

https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1497584941651083268?s=20&t=PChDXJVHvp0m5LlQfDqSPw

It seems Ukr AA is still active, though that report is yet to be confirmed.

Tiny Timbs posted:

Between this poo poo and the DSA coming out in support of Putin I'm starting to believe that goons.txt post

Didn't DSA post a lot positively about the anti-war protests in Russia?

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Good thing we keep people like this around the forums.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Could be the beginning of the end

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1497584071828021248

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


TulliusCicero posted:

Russia IS an imperialist power

China IS an imperialist power

The US IS an imperialist power

Holy poo poo online leftists, Putin and Xi are not trying to establish a workers world order you loving useful idiots.

A lot of people desperately need a strong authoritarian hero and the idea that the world's workers, peasants, and indigenous people might be well and truly on their own against international capital (in other words, the actual foundation of Marxism) is too hard for many "Marxists" to bear. They don't actually believe in a workers' world established by workers.

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

https://t.me/rian_ru/149029

Russia preparing to justify the images we will see.

"Ukrainian nationalist putting artillery in civilian centers"

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Who would have thought that having a forum of people dedicated to having the worst possible opinions in the most offensive way possible might have negative consequences?

e: yeah I'll take the 6er

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ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


[/quote]

Vahakyla posted:

This is a conventional war. Not NATO vs insurgency.

Who gives a poo poo about denying the Ukrainians an MTLB or some Ural trucks. They run the same poo poo.

As the Second World War would indicate you ought to care because once captured it can be used against you.

Even worse if your opponent uses the same equipment because then they know how to use it and can put it to use against you immediately.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Good thing we keep people like this around the forums.

Well you see more users browsing=more right.

Just not today. Definitely not today lol.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

This thread seems like propaganda memery but there are two other threads I've seen lately that point in similar directions but seem somewhat more credible:

https://twitter.com/delfoo/status/1497498201527521281?s=20&t=7fVa1TjT0nUizM9wOmmaXQ


https://twitter.com/USCentrist/status/1497473201848340480?s=20&t=EFMey7q_egMXb_fJrbqeYg
https://twitter.com/USCentrist/status/1497477480445267969?s=20&t=EFMey7q_egMXb_fJrbqeYg

The net takeaway seems to be that Russian forces aren't as strong as they appear on paper due to massive corruption and institutional rot, whereas Ukrainian forces are over-performing due to apparent strong support from NATO signals intelligence.

Dreissi
Feb 14, 2007

:dukedog:
College Slice

TulliusCicero posted:

I would assume the Russian troops have some kind of tracking gps systems but honestly at this point do they?


They have a GPS equivalent called GLONASS.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

KitConstantine posted:

Not going great in the north maybe.

Google translation of the below:

‼ ️ During the battles for Chernihiv as a result of a lightning attack together with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, NMU servicemen managed to return to their positions in a flash and capture 2 🇷🇺 occupiers who did not even have time to react to what happened, were very confused. One of them is the Chief of Staff of unit 41659.

https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1497584608556240898?t=lUKm3h7vZ9EGR2wdHdMl5A&s=19

looks like the anti-Javelin cage did not help much

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Good thing we keep people like this around the forums.

You get instabanned (rightly so) for denying the genocide of, say, American Native Peoples.

Denying the holodomore or the Uighur genocide? That’s cool and good in CSPAM.

Honestly this should be a reckoning for SA. It’s not good enough for D&D mods to say “take it up in CSPAM “ because the loving CSPAM mods post the same vile poo poo.

Either purge these people from this site, or we should all leave. I’m serious. It’s no better than an Alex Jones forum otherwise.

I’ll eat a 6er and more - gently caress SA shame on anyone involved for protecting these people.

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Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

Dreissi posted:

They have a GPS equivalent called GLONASS.

They can still use GPS for normal navigation, it doesn't get shutdown or degraded (that we know of)

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

fatherboxx posted:

looks like the anti-Javelin cage did not help much

Picnic table didn't stop a tandem HEAT warhead spewing jets of molten metal? Big if true.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


[/quote]

TulliusCicero posted:

If the Russians STILL don't have air superiority established aren't those armored columns and convoys easy pickings?

This is mind boggling to me. I thought Russia had a pretty good and modern airforce?

They're being outgunned by MiGs?

There seems to be air parity right now, which is amazing given Ukraines integrated air defense system is about two generations old; and the Ukrainian Air Force is both much smaller than Russia’s and a generation behind.

Pure speculation on my part, but this leads me to believe, while there is no proof or acknowledgment, that NATO is providing more than just MPAD stingers.

How hard/likely would it be for NATO to allow their radars, either ground or AWAC to guide Ukrainian SAMs?

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



TheRat posted:

Surely Russia has air superiority by default, and what they dont have is air supremacy.

I'm pretty sure US intelligence would know the difference between air superiority and air supremacy

They specifically say Air Superiority

alg
Mar 14, 2007

A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs.


if she actually follows through this is huge right? Russia loses easy access to Kyiv in the north and their supply chain breaks

edit: welp

alg fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Feb 26, 2022

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

ZombieLenin posted:

There seems to be air parity right now, which is amazing given Ukraines integrated air defense system is about two generations old; and the Ukrainian Air Force is both much smaller than Russia’s and a generation behind.

Pure speculation on my part, but this leads me to believe, while there is no proof or acknowledgment, that NATO is providing more than just MPAD stingers.

How hard/likely would it be for NATO to allow their radars, either ground or AWAC to guide Ukrainian SAMs?

Big problem would be Ukraine using a bunch of Soviet era stuff that isn't interoperable with NATO gear.

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DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

alg posted:

if she actually follows through this is huge right? Russia loses easy access to Kyiv in the north and their supply chain breaks

She's in exile in Lithuania (I think) right now. Honestly the most surprising thing is that she hasn't committed double-gunshot suicide yet. Good luck to her but there's not much hope to cling to there.

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