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William Bear posted:In the leadup to the invasion, it was pointed out that all the Western intelligence reports that said an invasion was imminent gave a way for Putin to save face. While they were proven correct, if Putin changed his mind and ordered the troops on Ukraine's border to disperse, it would make the CIA look like idiots. What do you mean gave a way to save face, how?
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1497923042101575685?s=20&t=8GIMmFC5-fhJfblFo3NA1w Weren't the nuclear forces also placed on high alert in 2014 or 2015 as well?
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Since I saw the original posted a few times ITT: https://twitter.com/Freeyourmindkid/status/1497865170202288131
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KitConstantine posted:I haven't seen a lot of naval news during all this, but it looks like Turkey is telling Russia that they can't add any additional ships to their existing Black Sea Fleet presence. A member of the Russian government previously said if they did this it would be a declaration of War.
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Feb 27, 2022 15:58
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ukle posted:A member of the Russian government previously said if they did this it would be a declaration of War. It would be. Turkey has a treaty obligation to allow Russia access.
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Feb 27, 2022 15:59
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:This is the guy Putin planned to replace Yanukovich before Euromaidan happened. if this had succeeded ukraine would have had 3 presidents in a row named viktor
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go play outside Skyler posted:I'll happily Rather than giving a dying forum more money, do a charity  !
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:When Switzerland says neutral they mean neutral. They have the firepower to remain neutral too. More like they have the absolute worst terrain for an offensive so its basically "Ah, gently caress it" situation.
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Sinteres posted:It would be. which means turkey would join the fight but also that NATO wouldn't be obligated to join as Turkey "attacked" russia, for those of you still trying to understand NATO here./
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Feb 27, 2022 16:00
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:When Switzerland says neutral they mean neutral. They have the firepower to remain neutral too. When Switzerland says "neutral" they mean "happily abetting fascism for profit".
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Feb 27, 2022 16:01
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:which means turkey would join the fight but also that NATO wouldn't be obligated to join as Turkey "attacked" russia, for those of you still trying to understand NATO here./ NATO's probably pushing Turkey to do it, so I think they'd still view any Russian response as triggering Article V.
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Feb 27, 2022 16:02
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Sinteres posted:It would be. Turkey has a treaty obligation to allow Russia access. Not if Russia is at war they don't, thus the whole "Turkey recognizes the 'special military operation in Ukraine' as Russia is at war with Ukraine" messaging.
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Feb 27, 2022 16:02
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https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1497672363269562369 I'd like to think that a large number of Russian soldiers would be fine just standing around waiting for things to end, because they either think this is wrong, or simply don't give a poo poo.
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Feb 27, 2022 16:03
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And what are they going to do about it anyway? 
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Honestly I'm glad it's not a condition that Zelinsky has to go to the peace talks I really do have a feeling it's just going to be more saber rattling. Putin is racist as gently caress towards Ukraine and sees this as his reclamation of Greater Russia, and I think the only reason he's even paying this lip service is because thd Oligarchs are furious with him for loving up the money. I really do think something is deeply wrong mentally there: he's very much not even the same guy from five years ago. The "Nuclear special alert" or whatever is more of this bullshit from him because he has no way to remove the sanctions short of thratening to nuke NATO, and NATO has way more together than he does and based on troop movements are calling his bluff. His game of brinksmanship is over. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Feb 27, 2022 |
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Feb 27, 2022 16:05
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TulliusCicero posted:What stops Putin from just capturing shooting Zelensky at the delegation? Seems like some bullshit he would do at this point. What if Putin welcomes Zelenskyy and says enough is enough, lets talk peace and reaches out for a handshake, but KAPOW he's really setting up Zelenskyy for a judo throw and ends the war by ippon.
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Feb 27, 2022 16:05
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Sinteres posted:It would be. Turkey has a treaty obligation to allow Russia access. And they are using the treaty to limit their access on special but legal provisions. TulliusCicero posted:What stops Putin from just capturing shooting Zelensky at the delegation? Seems like some bullshit he would do at this point. What keeps NATO from nuking Zelensky in Belarus???
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Feb 27, 2022 16:05
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Apparently talks have started now. I strongly doubt anything comes from these talks, but we'll at least know where the Russians draw their lines.
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ZombieLenin posted:Not if Russia is at war they don't, thus the whole "Turkey recognizes the 'special military operation in Ukraine' as Russia is at war with Ukraine" messaging. Notwithstanding the prohibition of passage laid down in paragraph 2 above, vessels of war belonging to belligerent Powers, whether they are Black Sea Powers or not, which have become separated from their bases, may return thereto.
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Feb 27, 2022 16:06
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EvilHawk posted:Apparently talks have started now. Hmm, we'll learn where Russia is drawing their public lines. My money is that this will tell us very little. e: if Turkey is going to play hardball with Russia over the Bospherus (bearing in mind that no actual ships appear to be expected to transit), now is the perfect time to do it. What are you going to do, you just committed 90% of your armed forces to a war in Ukraine?
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Sinteres posted:Notwithstanding the prohibition of passage laid down in paragraph 2 above, vessels of war belonging The post talked about prohibiting access of non-Black Sea fleet vessels, so nothing in contradiction to this article in any way.
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Dante posted:What if Putin welcomes Zelenskyy and says enough is enough, lets talk peace and reaches out for a handshake, but KAPOW he's really setting up Zelenskyy for a judo throw and ends the war by ippon. That would be illegal, Putin was thrown out of the international Judo federation and legally can't practice judo anymore.
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https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1497924876480483333 Reminder of who Republicans are cheering for. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497895706568237056 To be taken with a grain of salt, but still. https://twitter.com/MJHaugen/status/1497940813032083468 
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Hell yes rot in hell bastards https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1497941632209108992?t=A1Ol1wYqS2sUHet2dFJLNw&s=19
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Dante posted:What if Putin welcomes Zelenskyy and says enough is enough, lets talk peace and reaches out for a handshake, but KAPOW he's really setting up Zelenskyy for a judo throw and ends the war by ippon. Zelensky reveals his own training in Kyokutan Karate- fate of war decided by Tekken battle TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Feb 27, 2022 |
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MrOnBicycle posted:Rather than giving a dying forum more money, do a charity Well then that sounds good! 50 bucks to a Ukrainian relief charity if I'm wrong. Please DM me in case I forget
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Sinteres posted:Notwithstanding the prohibition of passage laid down in paragraph 2 above, vessels of war belonging Right. They can still close the straits to non-Black Sea Fleet warships; and furthermore, if the Turks decide that the Black Seas Fleet is in violation of one of the treaties other provisions, for example maximum allowable tonnage for naval fleets by Black Sea states in the Black Sea, they can close the straits legally to warships Russia has anointed part of her Black Seas Fleet. Edit They can also close the straits to any ship in the Black Sea Fleet they want if they are not given the statutory eight days notice of passage.
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Leal posted:As funny as it is watching the supposed number 2 strongest military be befuddled by removal of street signs and drive in circles, do they really not have a basic GPS? This is from a while back but it’s important to know that the vast majority of GPS satellites are controlled by the US military. Not a good idea for russian soldiers to use them
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Dante posted:What if Putin welcomes Zelenskyy and says enough is enough, lets talk peace and reaches out for a handshake, but KAPOW he's really setting up Zelenskyy for a judo throw and ends the war by ippon. That's why you send Zhan Beleniuk instead.
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this guy is a moron who retweeted that horrible DSA statement blaming Nato for the invasion.
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ukle posted:A member of the Russian government previously said if they did this it would be a declaration of War. Sinteres posted:It would be. Turkey has a treaty obligation to allow Russia access. BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:which means turkey would join the fight but also that NATO wouldn't be obligated to join as Turkey "attacked" russia, for those of you still trying to understand NATO here./ This is not true. Turkey both by treaty and by historical precedent very tightly controls warships through the Bosporus and Dardanelles Straits and can unilaterally close it for passage if it considers it to be wartime. Specifically Turkey has always maintained the right to close the straits if two countries are at war, even if Turkey is neutral. Russia also has several naval ports within the Black Sea, so this is not something very important.
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fatherboxx posted:Hell yes rot in hell bastards Was this the goon squad that the Chechen atrocity guy billed as special forces, who were offering money essentially for Ukranian scalps? What is gently caress about find out in Ukranian? TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Feb 27, 2022 |
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Inner Light posted:What do you mean gave a way to save face, how? Basically: CIA: Hey, everybody, Putin is about to go to war, that bad man that he is! Putin: What? Of course not, you silly geese, these are just perfectly normal military exercises! *walks away whistling* The Rest of the World: Oh for gently caress's sake, CIA, when are you going to stop crying wolf? If Putin had decided that having his hand revealed was a good reason to call off the attack, he could have scored an easy diplomatic win on the cheap while looking like an aggrieved victim. He wouldn't have gotten Ukraine, but it would have been a pretty decent trade. Instead he decided that the correct thing to do was to actually give the CIA credibility, of all things.
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Dante posted:This is not true. Turkey both by treaty and by historical precedent very tightly controls warships through the Bosporus and Dardanelles Straits and can unilaterally close it for passage if it considers it to be wartime. Russia also has several naval ports within the Black Sea, so this is not something very important. Yes, there are special wartime provisions. These have been argued over I believe since the treaty was signed in 1936. Incidentally it was an argument with Stalin over this very treaty that led Turkey to abandon its policy of neutrality and seek NATO membership.
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TulliusCicero posted:Zelensky reveals his own training in Kyokutan Karate- fate of war decided by Tekken battle Zelensky thrown into volcano
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KitConstantine posted:About that.... Yeah, one needs to keep in mind that the imagery of Russian tanks and missiles moving around and landing near Eastern Orthodox churches are going to be extra stomach lurchy for people who share the religion.
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aPoliteAdult posted:Zelensky thrown into volcano This reminds me that Putin was kicked out of the Judo organization he was so proud to be a black belt of.
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Oh so it was actually true that the entire Chechen deathsquad convoy got blown up the day they entered Ukraine?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Mate, you need to lay off that bottle. Russia isn’t going to nuke Ukraine, and Zelenskyi is not attending the talks. Putin is loving crazy though
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