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Sinteres posted:It's been three days. Yeah but they have legitimate grievances! You should hear them out.
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Sinteres posted:I'm not supposed to talk about NATO expansion anymore here, so if you don't think Russia had legitimate grievances we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one part of a post you probably mostly agree with. It's a grievance in the "of course a dictatorship doesn't want a defensive military alliance aligned with its main rival spreading among its former client republics" way, but Russia is a dictatorship and therefore its military concerns are only legitimate in so far as one supports autocracy.
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Feb 27, 2022 16:59
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Yeah but they have legitimate grievances! You either missed the point or aren't very coherent to begin with.
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Feb 27, 2022 16:59
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I have legitimate grievances with Sinteres being allowed to post in this thread.
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Feb 27, 2022 16:59
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Mods, how long can Sinteres post itt blaming NATO and 1939ing 'not our war', however candidly? I got a sixer for pointing out that their views are aligned with American far-right, are these the kind of people we want to be posting here? Sorry for venting, just got back from delivering medicine and clothes for Ukraine relief here in Białystok. Can't believe people are still blaming NATO for this.
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surf rock posted:I mean, at what point do the anti-Kadyrov rebels in Chechnya see an opportunity to go after their own domestic madman? Literally the second Putin croaks he will lose his head. There are other clans in Chechnya, there are exiles and all of them are kept at bay by massive cash influx and federal backing for Kadyrov guaranteed by Putin.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:01
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Terminally Bored posted:Mods, how long can Sinteres post itt blaming NATO and 1939ing 'not our war', however candidly? I got a sixer for pointing out that their views are aligned with American far-right, are these the kind of people we want to be posting here? Saying a country has legitimate grievances doesn't mean it justifies war, especially when I said Ukraine also had legitimate grievances even before this invasion. You really are just asking for the thread to be a place where no one who disagrees in any way with you is allowed.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:02
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Grouchio posted:Putin puts nuclear forces on high alert, escalating tensions Cut it out with the Clancychat ffs. Nothing that happens in Ukraine is going to result in an existential threat to Russia so nukes are not on the menu. Sinteres posted:Saying a country has legitimate grievances doesn't mean it justifies war, especially when I said Ukraine also had legitimate grievances even before this invasion. You really are just asking for the thread to be a place where no one who disagrees in any way with you is allowed. Demanding that you have control over a sovereign county's foreign policy is not a "legitimate grievance" unless you think imperialism is legitimate. gently caress off.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:02
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Grouchio posted:Putin puts nuclear forces on high alert, escalating tensions https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1497952720841584647
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Feb 27, 2022 17:02
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TulliusCicero posted:The Russian latest objectives based on US intel is to seize either Karkhiv or Kyiv by Monday. What good is it to break into a city with tanks only to be hit from all sides and angles where the populace has a poo poo ton of anti tank rockets/ missiles? That’s not US Intel, that’s a random chat screenshot that some pundits are taking seriously for no reason.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:02
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PIZZA.BAT posted:This is from a while back but it’s important to know that the vast majority of GPS satellites are controlled by the US military. Not a good idea for russian soldiers to use them GPS used to have a method to turn down accuracy but it’s trivial to defeat since you just need one known point. America could turn the whole system off but that is wildly impractical at this point.
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You know if you really think about Hitler had legitimate grievances about Czechoslovakia loving allies aggression man TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Feb 27, 2022 |
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Feb 27, 2022 17:03
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This is the type of peace posting I see on twitter and what somehow makes me so upset.  It's frustrating because I think the intentions are pure, and it seems to propagate so well among their circles, too. I'm not discrediting peace movements, but I have a pretty big bone to pick with coffee shop commies tut-tuting over twitter when a people fight for their freedom.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:03
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There is an argument to be made that Russia has security concerns vis a vis NATO. OTOH, they're bad. There's a reason everyone in Eastern Europe hates them and is suddenly enthusiastic to send support to their enemies. Russian security concerns and Russian imperialism are indistinguishable, and they've spent centuries invading and persecuting their neighbors. The fundamental Russian position is that our neighbors don't like us and we need to make sure they never threaten us. Their neighbors' fundamental position is Russia keeps invading us. These are not equivalent and Russia has been unwilling to construct a genuine mutual security architecture that isn't just Russian occupation.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:04
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https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1497957027988992001?t=9FGQpLakQnh-2h9yWvv5gQ&s=19
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Feb 27, 2022 17:05
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Bashez posted:I don't think this got answered but I'm using ublock origin with this filter I found that may or may not be russian spyware I don't know how computers work. Easier method is to remove everything from the url after question mark: "https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1497931292247134212?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497941632209108992%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Fnoseen%3D0threadid%3D3993516perpage%3D40pagenumber%3D330pti13" --> "https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1497931292247134212" And the login popup should not appear when you scroll down.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:05
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Sinteres posted:You either missed the point or aren't very coherent to begin with. You're right. I'm not coherent in a war threatening people I care about which is why your insistence that Russia had some mythical legitimate concerns a priori is stupid. Keep hand wringing how wrong you always are. Or maybe change your views for once.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:05
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I still think it's some sort of brain damage/dementia. Putins greatest success in the last 30 years has probably been his abilitity to play the diplomatic and information warfare game in a way that help split european interests apart, by sowing dissent, sponsoring extremists etc. financial entanglements and so on. Some would argue that it played a not insignificant role in brexit for example. No-one wanted to risk their relationship with russia over his sponsporing of regime changes all over easten europe. This ukrainian war completely ruins all that work. Europe probably hasn't been this united since 1944 and while a lot of it will crumble as soon as different national interests takes over again; bridges are being built and relationships are being made right now, at an institutional level, that'll probably last. The reaction to crimea should probalby have been his hint. Even nato has gone from being an annoying footnote, only really relevant because trump tried to use it as a blackmail tool, to otherwise entirely diplomatically oriented people thinking about increasing military budgets for nato contributions. It's like the biggest single geopolitical miscalculation in ages probabky. Also, it was one a lot political analysts and so on (as well as the most pro russia posters itt) were like "there is no way he actually attacks, it's such a bad idea. He is not that stupid.".
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:GPS used to have a method to turn down accuracy but it’s trivial to defeat since you just need one known point. America could turn the whole system off but that is wildly impractical at this point. I interpreted that post as if you use GPS to know where you are, the US can k ow where you are as well.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:05
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I'm not telling anyone else to post, so this isn't backseat modding, but when I said I'm not allowed to talk about it, viewing that as an opportunity to state all the counterpoints anyway is pretty lame. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Terminally Bored posted:Mods, how long can Sinteres post itt blaming NATO and 1939ing 'not our war', however candidly? I got a sixer for pointing out that their views are aligned with American far-right, are these the kind of people we want to be posting here? Until people in this thread learn to understand that their world view (and that of most western leaders) are in direct contrast to classic balance of power politics (that Putin subscribes to), then we will continue to talk past each other. Diplomacy (like any other form of non-coercive dispute resolution) failed precisely because neither side could come to grips with how each other views NATO. It isn't the first time this has happened and it isn't limited to authoritarian regimes (ie the failure of the US to understand the Vietnam conflict as a nationalist struggle rather than a cold war struggle). Getting butt hurt because Sinteres does understand the roots of this conflict and simply doesn't chalk Putin up as 'insane' or a megalomaniac, or wanting to rebuild the Russian empire shouldn't prevent him from posting.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:06
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Sanctions can be a broad term so I don’t think people realize what’s been initialized. No way Russia predicted it would be this extreme because these sanctions are going to gently caress Europe especially too. Exports are going to be shut down for weeks and even when workarounds get into place it’s going to be nowhere near the same level. But the bigger deal is the rouble is going to outright collapse and the Central bank reserve that could alleviate the coming crash was frozen by sanctions.
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PIZZA.BAT posted:This is from a while back but it’s important to know that the vast majority of GPS satellites are controlled by the US military. Not a good idea for russian soldiers to use them Eh, this was touched on earlier as well but the Russians have their own global satnav system, GLONASS. They don't need the US GPS, though they can be more accurate if they had both. Either way the military is centered around using GLONASS precisely because they want to be independent of GPS.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:07
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Vahakyla posted:This is the type of peace posting I see on twitter and what somehow makes me so upset. Pacifism has no prescription for dealing with fascism, sadly.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:07
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:GPS used to have a method to turn down accuracy but it’s trivial to defeat since you just need one known point. America could turn the whole system off but that is wildly impractical at this point. Can they still do that? Outside of destroying the satellites. I thought Clinton removed that option, along with the accuracy thing for consumer devices.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1497957027988992001?t=9FGQpLakQnh-2h9yWvv5gQ&s=19 Two deputy ministers Duma commitee chair Ambassador What would you want on a negotiating mission? Obviously they aren't going to send the very highest ranks of the government.
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Feb 27, 2022 17:08
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MikeC posted:Getting butt hurt because Sinteres does understand the roots of this conflict and simply doesn't chalk Putin up as 'insane' or a megalomaniac, or wanting to rebuild the Russian empire shouldn't prevent him from posting. Putin literally released a statement saying he's doing this to rebuild the Russian empire, even using Tsarist language to do so lol
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Feb 27, 2022 17:08
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Sinteres posted:I'm not supposed to talk about NATO expansion anymore here, so if you don't think Russia had legitimate grievances we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one part of a post you probably mostly agree with. The amount of legitimate grievances Russia has has loving skyrocketed in the last 4 days
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punishedkissinger posted:Putin literally released a statement saying he's doing this to rebuild the Russian empire, even using Tsarist language to do so lol That speech was an unbelievable self own, what a moron. BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:The amount of legitimate grievances Russia has has loving skyrocketed in the last 4 days Unironically yes, but their capacity to ever address them has done the reverse.
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Has Magomed Tushayev been killed for sure? I'm seeing the contrarian left parts of Twitter say its just more incorrect propaganda, but then those guys were saying 'Lol, Russia's not going to invade you idiots, its just State department propaganda' a week ago.
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ok this is funny. The 2 Greek C-130s we are sending with aid to Ukraine are filled with....confiscated Ukrainian rifles lol https://twitter.com/LSpyropoulou/status/1497873662569029633
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Feb 27, 2022 17:10
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Trump posted:Can they still do that? Outside of destroying the satellites. I thought Clinton removed that option, along with the accuracy thing for consumer devices. IIRC Clinton removed the standard fixed accuracy degradation in consumer systems that was in place since it became open to the public but not the capability to turn it back on if needed never went away.
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steinrokkan posted:Two deputy ministers medinskii is a notorious anti-ukraine hawk, so it's not exactly a good sign in the same way that i probably wouldn't send tom cotton to negotiate with anyone.
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MikeC posted:Until people in this thread learn to understand that their world view (and that of most western leaders) are in direct contrast to classic balance of power politics (that Putin subscribes to), then we will continue to talk past each other. Diplomacy (like any other form of non-coercive dispute resolution) failed precisely because neither side could come to grips with how each other views NATO. It isn't the first time this has happened and it isn't limited to authoritarian regimes (ie the failure of the US to understand the Vietnam conflict as a nationalist struggle rather than a cold war struggle). Getting butt hurt because Sinteres does understand the roots of this conflict and simply doesn't chalk Putin up as 'insane' or a megalomaniac, or wanting to rebuild the Russian empire shouldn't prevent him from posting. If we're dealing in balance of power politics, it's time to act accordingly and show Russian government in terms they understand that there's no "balance of power" between them and the West and that they are a tinpot dictatorship, a wriggling worm waiting to be squashed with extreme prejudice. Then they will wish they never brought this kind of logic back into European politics.
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MikeC posted:Until people in this thread learn to understand that their world view (and that of most western leaders) are in direct contrast to classic balance of power politics (that Putin subscribes to), then we will continue to talk past each other. Diplomacy (like any other form of non-coercive dispute resolution) failed precisely because neither side could come to grips with how each other views NATO. It isn't the first time this has happened and it isn't limited to authoritarian regimes (ie the failure of the US to understand the Vietnam conflict as a nationalist struggle rather than a cold war struggle). Getting butt hurt because Sinteres does understand the roots of this conflict and simply doesn't chalk Putin up as 'insane' or a megalomaniac, or wanting to rebuild the Russian empire shouldn't prevent him from posting. Putin is a fascist and is using fascist rhetoric. Good on you and Sinteres that both of you can look past that somehow.
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steinrokkan posted:If we're dealing in balance of power politics, it's time to act accordingly and show Russian government in terms they understand that there's no "balance of power" between them and the West and that they are a tinpot dictatorship, a worm waiting to be squashed. I appreciate you being honest about this now at least.
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Trump posted:Can they still do that? Outside of destroying the satellites. I thought Clinton removed that option, along with the accuracy thing for consumer devices. From gps.gov: quote:Selective Availability (SA) was an intentional degradation of public GPS signals implemented for national security reasons. We've launched 5/10 of the GPS Block III satellites, with 4 online.
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Sinteres posted:I appreciate you being honest about this now at least. I'm using your logic, and what it means for Putin in terms of inevitable consequences of his own actions.
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