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Shes Not Impressed posted:Let's hope Ukraine's air defenses are aware! (of course they are) Why do they keep doing this. Did some Russian general's ex-wife marry a paratrooper?
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Upgrade posted:People are brushing it off because success for Ukraine isn’t the same as success for Russia. The longer Ukraine can prolong the war (and conscripted militias can do so) the harder it becomes for Russia to continue invasion. This is an extremely good point: The win conditions for Russia and Ukraine are entirely different Ukraine just has to continue holding out: that's it. They are being flooded with cash and materiel, and all they have to do is hold the cities until Russia goes broke and morale flat lines Russia has to now: occupy an entire country larger than Texas. Wipe out several Ukranian lines that they have proven completely incapable of so far Defeat the apparently undying Ukranian airforce to gain air superiority Occupy cities FULL of angry civilians and militia with massive access to portable anti-tank/ and air launchers Set up a puppet government from...somewhere? At the some time, fix their flatlining economy overnight and still feed and supply all their troops. ....Do people start to see why this becomes increasingly more difficult?
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I'm sure 4 or 5 planeloads of 150 or so Belarussian paratroopers getting blown out of the sky in the middle of the day is going to go down great with the Belarussian populous...
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I assume nobody's willing to jump in the fray on Ukraine's side? Not officially. But assume that there will start to be a flow of foreign fighters retired from their military service 1 say before joining the ukrainian side.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I assume nobody's willing to jump in the fray on Ukraine's side? I almost think that if Poland wasn't constrained by its NATO membership, it would be in the air.
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Upgrade posted:People are brushing it off because success for Ukraine isn’t the same as success for Russia. The longer Ukraine can prolong the war (and conscripted militias can do so) the harder it becomes for Russia to continue invasion. Once that happens, it is over. Their army will have surrendered or be dead. Either way, that is a huge morale drain for any people left wanting to fight in the cities. They've been taking some units into cities here and there to see how fierce resistance is, and it is possible that they will try to go in, but I have my doubts. I think it is far more likely that they will fire upon those cities until they surrender.
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Upgrade posted:Yea the OP is wrong. The punitive parts of the Treaty of Versailles wern't just reparations, it was more so Germany accepting sole responsibility for the war, handing over disputed territory in the West, handing over their overseas colonies, and demilitarizing. Hitler's early successes in foreign policy came from using the rhetoric of the League if Nations, i.e. the importance of sovereignty and self determination, to highlight the hypocrisy of the continued French occupation of the Ruhr, the demilitarization of the Rhineland, etc. That's what helped drive a wedge between France and England in the '30s (plus France essentially being in a state of civil war for the entire decade).  Dante posted:I think the current historical consensus is that it would have been possible for Germany to pay the war reparations, they weren't so onerous as to crush their economy, but they coincided with an economic crisis and hyperinflation in Germany. While the other countries basically had their war reparations cancelled, France insisted Germany pay. When Germany eventually defaulted on payments, France occupied Ruhr and extracted goods directly since the value of the mark was crushed by hyperinflation. There was a huge amount of Nazi propaganda about it, but there's no doubt that it was punitive measure for a country in very bad shape economically and that Nazi used the issue to gain popularity.
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James Garfield posted:Why do they keep doing this. Did some Russian general's ex-wife marry a paratrooper? Russia has violated Baby's First Airborne Doctrine Lessons so hard in this war that they just have to be deluded into thinking that if they show up with their rad berets everyone will surrender immediately. How they still think that NOW I have no idea.
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Young Freud posted:I hope his Batka's son is leading the airborne assault so the loss hits him personally.  found footage.
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Judakel posted:Once that happens, it is over. Their army will have surrendered or be dead. Either way, that is a huge morale drain for any people left wanting to fight in the cities. They've been taking some units into cities here and there to see how fierce resistance is, and it is possible that they will try to go, but I have my doubts. I think it is far more likely that they will fire upon those cities until they surrender. 
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Judakel posted:Once that happens, it is over. Their army will have surrendered or be dead. Either way, that is a huge morale drain for any people left wanting to fight in the cities. They've been taking some units into cities here and there to see how fierce resistance is, and it is possible that they will try to go, but I have my doubts. I think it is far more likely that they will fire upon those cities until they surrender. Once what happens? What magic event do you think instantly breaks morale for all Ukrainians in the video game running in your head?
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James Garfield posted:Why do they keep doing this. Did some Russian general's ex-wife marry a paratrooper? In the Russian article the dude posted you have to google translate the Russian colonel says that it’s a cliche in Russian military reports for a single paratrooper squad to take a city in a couple hours or tens of minutes. Like navy seals or legionnaires, paratroopers are apparently what Russian military nerds masturbate to and the reason they keep failing is they’re sending the wrong ones
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https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1497930298696376323?s=20&t=3c1W1OGkTcD0TP11iIU5pw Powerful stuff, this is just outside the Kremlin.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Let's hope Ukraine's air defenses are aware! (of course they are) do you think these guys dont know about the semi trucks full of stingers or what the gently caress
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Let's have a feel good moment, shall we? Soccer hooligans not being trash. https://twitter.com/p_zalewski/status/1498058235626020864?t=A7-LR6jLQqv0TYaG2Dltqw&s=19
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TulliusCicero posted:This is an extremely good point: I was told Putin was a rational actor though
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punishedkissinger posted:do you think these guys dont know about the semi trucks full of stingers or what the gently caress You think the fact that the Ukraine air force not only is still flying but got more loving planes and AAMs would dawn on them somehow.
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James Garfield posted:Why do they keep doing this. Did some Russian general's ex-wife marry a paratrooper? And (pardon the meme) this but, replace Putin with Lukashenko and 11pm with 6 am I guess. 
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Warbadger posted:Once what happens? What magic event do you think instantly breaks morale for all Ukrainians in the video game running in your head? The fact the morale isn't that high to begin with, what with handing out guns to random people, some of whom commit crimes with them, an oddly high number of saboteurs in Ukrainian uniform that look more and more like deserters, and the Mayor of Kyiv admitting that controlling the anxiety of his people is one of the bigger challenges right now. Well, at least not that high right now. Maybe it was to begin with...
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Let's hope Ukraine's air defenses are aware! (of course they are) ...Are they really doing mass airdrops in broad daylight, with a massive zone full of anti-air? ...this....Wow 
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punishedkissinger posted:do you think these guys dont know about the semi trucks full of stingers or what the gently caress They don't. Because they are being lied to constantly. They are probably being told that the artillery neutralized all the defense and it's just old men and children defending the cities.
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Judakel posted:Once that happens, it is over. Their army will have surrendered or be dead. Either way, that is a huge morale drain for any people left wanting to fight in the cities. They've been taking some units into cities here and there to see how fierce resistance is, and it is possible that they will try to go in, but I have my doubts. I think it is far more likely that they will fire upon those cities until they surrender. tfw you spend literally all day reading https://twitter.com/200_zoka https://twitter.com/RWApodcast https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:In the Russian article the dude posted you have to google translate the Russian colonel says that it’s a cliche in Russian military reports for a single paratrooper squad to take a city in a couple hours or tens of minutes. It's nice to know that idiotic "operator culture" isn't just a North American thing.
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punishedkissinger posted:do you think these guys dont know about the semi trucks full of stingers or what the gently caress They probably know even less than the first wave of Russians did.
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Crazy idea, but maybe it's possible that Ukraine didn't blow up 69,000 paratroopers in one fell swoop? I know it was reported but have we seen confirmation? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Herstory Begins Now posted:tfw you spend literally all day reading If the Russians get out of Crimea, the army will be protected by the Zelensky memes.
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the popes toes posted:I almost think that if Poland wasn't constrained by its NATO membership, it would be in the air. Poland is not constrained by its NATO membership. You're free to attack whoever you want.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Crazy idea, but maybe it's possible that Ukraine didn't blow up 69,000 paratroopers in one fell swoop? I know it was reported but have we seen confirmation? I've yet to see any concrete evidence of that.
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Judakel posted:The fact the morale isn't that high to begin with, what with handing out guns to random people, some of whom commit crimes with them, an oddly high number of saboteurs in Ukrainian uniform that look more and more like deserters, and the Mayor of Kyiv admitting that controlling the anxiety of his people is one of the bigger challenges right now. Well, at least not that high right now. Maybe it was to begin with... Why is it every time you post I see putins face making the words (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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KitConstantine posted:Let's have a feel good moment, shall we? Soccer hooligans not being trash. I was like "this is cool, but it's kind of not so powerful with him not really reacting", and then, welp.
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Judakel posted:The fact the morale isn't that high to begin with, what with handing out guns to random people, some of whom commit crimes with them, an oddly high number of saboteurs in Ukrainian uniform that look more and more like deserters, and the Mayor of Kyiv admitting that controlling the anxiety of his people is one of the bigger challenges right now. Well, at least not that high right now. Maybe it was to begin with... You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Crazy idea, but maybe it's possible that Ukraine didn't blow up 69,000 paratroopers in one fell swoop? I know it was reported but have we seen confirmation? When was this ever said lol
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Crazy idea, but maybe it's possible that Ukraine didn't blow up 69,000 paratroopers in one fell swoop? I know it was reported but have we seen confirmation? The massive fuckup at Hostomel is definitely confirmed for sure. The downed Il-76s however are still up in the air, US officials confirmed them all so there's some notion they did go down, but literally nothing about crash sites or debris, so who really knows.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Crazy idea, but maybe it's possible that Ukraine didn't blow up 69,000 paratroopers in one fell swoop? I know it was reported but have we seen confirmation? you could hear the shooting around pockets being closed up on livestreams i think. maybe theyve gone superstealth.
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When it comes to predicting the future, one can rarely be more wrong than the Italian Foreign Minister after the shots in Sarajevo, I suppose: https://twitter.com/WarHappened/status/1409527009168957441?s=20&t=uEqvSw-_tPL5TW35dI57sg
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Pook Good Mook posted:You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I guess we'll see.
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TulliusCicero posted:...Are they really doing mass airdrops in broad daylight, with a massive zone full of anti-air? My guess is they would be doing it with a strike package right at or before dawn. Have bombers with fighter support come through first and then have your paradrop. Since this has been a clown show from them I imagine it will be 3 IL-76s and an escort of two Mig-23s.
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Dante posted:https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1497930298696376323?s=20&t=3c1W1OGkTcD0TP11iIU5pw He also said that Putin has lost his mind... in less polite terms.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Crazy idea, but maybe it's possible that Ukraine didn't blow up 69,000 paratroopers in one fell swoop? I know it was reported but have we seen confirmation? It was 69,420. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Tomberforce posted:I'm sure 4 or 5 planeloads of 150 or so Belarussian paratroopers getting blown out of the sky in the middle of the day is going to go down great with the Belarussian populous... People dying is a human tragedy and I’m positive that a lot of the troopers didn’t have much choice in this decision , other than maybe not joining the military in the first place. Which makes this multiple times worse. With that being said, I’d really wish that those planes get shot down.
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