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Hyrax Attack! posted:Dang when was the last time a weapon from Luxembourg's arsenal was fired in anger in a European war? At this rate we're gonna have Irish coast guard ships sinking transports in the Black Sea by the end of the week. 1795
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https://twitter.com/civmilair/status/1498385694020063240?s=21 This one trick allows you to get excellent firing data. Putin hates it!
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https://twitter.com/OSINTNS/status/1498359109095239686 What was miles long on that same highway?
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Cythereal posted:I'm only listing nations I've seen an official announcement for. I've seen chatter but no official source for Portugal, Romania, Australia, Turkey, and Italy all supposedly either sending stuff already or are in the process of setting up such. I believe Australia has sanctioned Russia but I don't remember the exact details, I'll look it up.
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Immanentized posted:https://twitter.com/OSINTNS/status/1498359109095239686 Lmao, I was waiting for that to happen
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Immanentized posted:https://twitter.com/OSINTNS/status/1498359109095239686 Twitter thread says the Russian column was on a different highway so it’s not that.
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Here's a little thought exercise. What's the probability of the Russian Army Chief of Staff, that just got fired, having decided when Putin came up with this plan, to just go "nope, not starting WWIII for this idiot" and actually actively working out a plan that he knew could not succeed? I understand there's a huge staff in these cases and the chances are incredibly small but would it even be feasible?
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I doubt it, top commanders aren't deep enough in the weeds to cause the kind of extremely basic fuckups at the individual and platoon level that we've been seeing over and over. This is the product of decades of institutional rot plain and simple.
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In 10 years time as one of his final works Armando Iannucci will do "Death of Stalin 2: Putin on the Ritz"
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Let's check in on NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1498381591306981379 The trolley problem except one track provokes nuclear retaliation and he thinks it is the moral option.
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My unserious reaction to seeing that convoy is "how fast can we get the Ukrainians an A-10?"
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Soylent Pudding posted:My unserious reaction to seeing that convoy is "how fast can we get the Ukrainians an A-10?" Why can't we do what Regan was going to do to help out the English during the Falklands war?
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I mean this is a huge danger. Imagine what you're feeling as in increasingly stressed out Putin or general as you watch a cargo plane or truck convoy full of stingers/javs trundle in.
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Soylent Pudding posted:My unserious reaction to seeing that convoy is "how fast can we get the Ukrainians an A-10?" Okay that’s weird I was just about to post the same thing. Can we sell them for like a dollar or donate them or transfer and then Ukrainians can hire contractors? wink wink
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My serious reaction is that it's a mistake the Russians will only make once (or maybe not!!), so I hope the Ukrainians are capitalizing on it.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Quick question to those with military experience: Are there special rules for just putting out indirect fire into an urban area? Say general prohibitions on indiscriminate shelling of a major urban center? I know this was already somewhat answered but I wanted to add something. Generally speaking the Law of Armed Conflict (LOAC) can be boiled down to three over-arching ideas: 1) Don't intentionally target civilians 2) You must make as much of an effort as military necessity allows to avoid hitting/killing civilians 3) Any action taken which knowingly kills/harms civilians through collateral damage must provide a specific military advantage proportional to the risk/harm Targeting civilian infrastructure such as powerplants, bridges, etc falls under rule 3) because the infrastructure itself is a valid target because of it's dual-use. So this is why killing a couple janitors in a strike on a powerplant is not a war-crime, but if the only way you can do it is also leveling a couple city blocks it very well might be. Leveling an apartment building that an enemy force has occupied as a fighting position is not a war crime, even if there may still be civilians in it, as long as you're not doing something like dropping a building full of people because of a single sniper. It's all very squishy and outside clear, intentional war crimes it basically comes down to did the military did a reasonable enough job not killing/endangering more people than they absolutely had to get the job done.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Let's check in on NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent Counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbPttsh0Alc I agree with you, it's a stupid loving idea and I've really started to lose patience with all of the "let's start a no-fly zone!/let the special forces go in!/send some A-10s!" takes that seem to ignore the whole part about it essentially kicking off WW3
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Handsome Ralph posted:Counterpoint: Counterpoint to that counterpoint, I kind of want to call his bluff. It's the fatalistic nihilist in me, but I want to see if the Russian staff would refuse to carry out the orders if pooty was to try and order a strike. Edit: Also I'd love to see what China's reaction to this escalation is, I'd like to hope that they're telling Russia to turn it the gently caress down.
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Soylent Pudding posted:My unserious reaction to seeing that convoy is "how fast can we get the Ukrainians an A-10?" I cannot fathom this not being THE target for the entirety of UA's military.
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stealie72 posted:I keep thinking maybe the guys with the javelins didn't want to walk that far and they're still waiting in the woods. It's too bad some HIMARS or MLRS of our own can't just wander onto the border for the Ukranians to mysteriously find.
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Soylent Pudding posted:My unserious reaction to seeing that convoy is "how fast can we get the Ukrainians an A-10?" Aren't A-10's incredibly susceptible to any sort of modern MADPAD or SAM? Like great in an uncontested environment where the dirt doesn't shoot back, but these days I imagine 'fat and slow' to be asking to be killed.
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https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/2948793/senior-defense-official-holds-an-off-camera-press-briefing/ tl;dr, Russia still making forward progress but slow, Mauripol and Kharkiv at most risk of falling and potentially cutting off UKR forces in the East, airspace still contested, cannot confirm Chechen or Belorussian activation, cannot assess whether any of the observed Russian damage to civilians is deliberate or incidental to war, just under 75% commitment of forces pre-staged into Ukraine, no further mobilization observed in Russia.
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Soylent Pudding posted:My unserious reaction to seeing that convoy is "how fast can we get the Ukrainians an A-10?" It's very strange to me that A-10s could potentially operate as designed, against the Russian loving Army without getting immediately blotted out of the sky by, you know, the world class IADS the Russians are supposed to possess. Yet here we are watching Ukrainian drones dunk on armored columns repeatedly. M_Gargantua posted:Aren't A-10's incredibly susceptible to any sort of modern MADPAD or SAM? Like great in an uncontested environment where the dirt doesn't shoot back, but these days I imagine 'fat and slow' to be asking to be killed. Oh yes, absolutely. See: Desert Storm and the restrictions placed on them to keep them out of harms way. However, Russian air defense seems to be a clownshow at the moment.... You just know some pilot somewhere saw that convoy packed 3 or 4 trucks wide across the road, a mile long, and got all giddy. Arrath fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Feb 28, 2022 |
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M_Gargantua posted:Aren't A-10's incredibly susceptible to any sort of modern MADPAD or SAM? Like great in an uncontested environment where the dirt doesn't shoot back, but these days I imagine 'fat and slow' to be asking to be killed. very, but then again literally no one on the Russian side seems to be doing any sort of anti-air?
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Ukraine MoD just claimed 96 tanks, 20 Grad MLRS & 8 fuel trucks on a hit on a fuel dump in the east of Kyiv. This isn't tonight's convoy but a pretty big win if true. Probably video in a few hours. https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1498381064565317638 Auto translate '96 enemy tanks, 20 grads, and 8 gasoline tankers were burned by artillery and precise strikes of the Bayraktars near Lebedin. It was a Russian refueling base. The positions of the "Grad" were also taken down.'
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aphid_licker posted:I mean this is a huge danger. Imagine what you're feeling as in increasingly stressed out Putin or general as you watch a cargo plane or truck convoy full of stingers/javs trundle in. Putin always has the option of packing it in and going home. The choice is his alone.
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Arrath posted:It's very strange to me that A-10s could potential operate as designed, against the Russian loving Army without getting immediately blotted out of the sky by, you know, the world class IADS the Russians are supposed to possess. And these are almost all Turkish Baykar Bayraktar TB2s being used by the Ukrainians. As a fairly affordable UAV, they are not that fast and their service ceiling is not that high. They are definitely more vulnerable than A-10s.
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mmtt posted:Ukraine MoD just claimed 96 tanks, 20 Grad MLRS & 8 fuel trucks on a hit on a fuel dump in the east of Kyiv. loving hell.
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Pine Cone Jones posted:Edit: Also I'd love to see what China's reaction to this escalation is, I'd like to hope that they're telling Russia to turn it the gently caress down. From all the tea leaves reading I've seen, the impression seems to be two things. One, China is a *tad* annoyed with part of Russia's justification for invading Ukraine, namely the whole recognizing two Ukrainian provinces declaring independence and Russia swooping in to recognize them. Cause China would prefer that maybe great powers don't start giving precedent to other countries that they can start recognizing territory as independent states that other states feel are rightfully theirs for whatever reason. Had Russia left that part out of their reasoning as to why they were invading, it's probable China would be far less neutral then they are right now. The other, is China is pretty confident in itself that they are the ascending great power, and there is zero upside for them to jump into this on Russia's behalf when they can just continue to let things play out and reap the rewards. If Russia want's to tank their economy and give China more openings for foreign investment and what not, no skin off their back. Arrath posted:It's very strange to me that A-10s could potentially operate as designed, against the Russian loving Army without getting immediately blotted out of the sky by, you know, the world class IADS the Russians are supposed to possess. It's like having Jordan being benched for reasons beyond your control, but you're watching Muggsy Bogues just score dunk after dunk despite feeling like it shouldn't even be possible.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:very, but then again literally no one on the Russian side seems to be doing any sort of anti-air? Maybe they left their AA at home because they didn't think they'd need it after D+1
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Handsome Ralph posted:From all the tea leaves reading I've seen, the impression seems to be two things. I should have specified, but I was meaning more Russia's nuclear threats and if China is taking them seriously. If they are taking the threats seriously, then I'd love to know just what they're telling Russia.
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mmtt posted:Ukraine MoD just claimed 96 tanks, 20 Grad MLRS & 8 fuel trucks on a hit on a fuel dump in the east of Kyiv. When did the JSTARS get on station? 
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mmtt posted:Ukraine MoD just claimed 96 tanks, 20 Grad MLRS & 8 fuel trucks on a hit on a fuel dump in the east of Kyiv. Wow if that's accurate (hell even half that number), that's just insane.
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Pine Cone Jones posted:I should have specified, but I was meaning more Russia's nuclear threats and if China is taking them seriously. If they are taking the threats seriously, then I'd love to know just what they're telling Russia. Ah gotcha. I can't imagine it's joyful enthusiasm. mmtt posted:Ukraine MoD just claimed 96 tanks, 20 Grad MLRS & 8 fuel trucks on a hit on a fuel dump in the east of Kyiv. 
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