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KitConstantine posted:So Ukraine isn't just getting planes, they're getting to stage out of Poland, so have planes parked where Russia *shouldn't* hit them. Uh this seems like a major escalation...
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CommieGIR posted:If Russia hits Poland at this point, frankly, I suspect most of the EU is fed up with Russia. Oh okay, is every country willing to sacrifice 50% of its population?
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KitConstantine posted:So Ukraine isn't just getting planes, they're getting to stage out of Poland, so have planes parked where Russia *shouldn't* hit them. This seems like a grey area. They aren't attacking Russia with these planes from Poland, they are flying them over their own country. But that's such a stretch that I really wonder if this is another mistranslation.
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Yeah, I am gonna wait for official sources on this one. To be fair, Poland is the one country I could see doing this
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CommieGIR posted:If Russia hits Poland at this point, frankly, I suspect most of the EU is fed up with Russia. If military attacks come out of Poland and Russia retaliates, that is absolutely on Poland
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dominoeffect posted:Wow... I almost had to check because time flies. Almost 7-year-old MREs?! Normal in well-funded / equipped militaries. He's certainly not a guy who got issued a rifle yesterday, but he's not necessarily some high-speed low-drag Operator
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Charliegrs posted:Uh this seems like a major escalation... think its just fake news tbh
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TulliusCicero posted:This seems...bad Could be, if true. Seeing conflicting country reports brought up, I begin to doubt the veracity of that.
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TheRat posted:This seems like a loving massive escalation that might end badly Yeah it only takes 1 stray rocket to get Poland Article 5'd.
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KitConstantine posted:So Ukraine isn't just getting planes, they're getting to stage out of Poland, so have planes parked where Russia *shouldn't* hit them. I don't buy it.
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Xarn posted:Yeah, I am gonna wait for official sources on this one. To be fair, Poland is the one country I could see doing this Yeah, this seems implausible. I could see using Poland as a temporary staging point before moving them into Ukraine proper, but flying combat missions directly from Poland seems rather unlikely.
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KitConstantine posted:So Ukraine isn't just getting planes, they're getting to stage out of Poland, so have planes parked where Russia *shouldn't* hit them. Yeah, Poland is pretty pissed. But thats also really scary and could lead to escalation. What happens when air battles start taking place over Poland?
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FishBulbia posted:think its just fake news tbh Yeah they hate Russia but it's a bit much.
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KitConstantine posted:So Ukraine isn't just getting planes, they're getting to stage out of Poland, so have planes parked where Russia *shouldn't* hit them. is there actually confirmation from bulgaria, poland and slovakia about this? e:fb like you've also got for eg bulgarian english-language news calling it bs https://www.novinite.com/articles/214004/PM%3A+Reports+of+Bulgaria+Giving+Away+its+Fighter+Jets+to+Ukraine+are+Absurd%21
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tractor fanatic posted:They have nukes Dog is all bark, no bite... but it does have rabies. 
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KitConstantine posted:So Ukraine isn't just getting planes, they're getting to stage out of Poland, so have planes parked where Russia *shouldn't* hit them. That seems extremely unlikely to be true. Unrelated: Germany is sending Tornados on missions over the Baltic sea now.
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Deteriorata posted:Bringing them up implies you think they'll be used, which is straight Clancychat. No one's going to use them, so they're irrelevant. Out of genuine curiosity, if nukes are completely irrelevant what is holding the west from directly providing military assistance at this stage?
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KitConstantine posted:So Ukraine isn't just getting planes, they're getting to stage out of Poland, so have planes parked where Russia *shouldn't* hit them. Yeah, doesn't seem likely. I'm not sure the reliability of that news source, either (not saying it's not reliable, just don't know what I'm looking at).
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boofhead posted:is there actually confirmation from bulgaria, poland and slovakia about this? Slovakia and Bulgaria have def already denied it. Don't know about Poland. story with Bulgaria denying it in the feed here https://www.politico.eu/article/live-blog-ukraine-invasion-putin-donetsk-luhansk/#1287339
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tractor fanatic posted:If military attacks come out of Poland and Russia retaliates, that is absolutely on Poland I don't think Russia would have the balls. If I'm Poland I call their bluff here.
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CuddleCryptid posted:This seems like a grey area. They aren't attacking Russia with these planes from Poland, they are flying them over their own country. But that's such a stretch that I really wonder if this is another mistranslation. There's nothing gray about it, it would 100% be an aggressive move on Polands part
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Dog Friday posted:Out of genuine curiosity, if nukes are completely irrelevant what is holding the west from directly providing military assistance at this stage? The idea of not making them relevant
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Poland is probably staging, doing some mx, and gassing up the planes for the Ukranians to come pick up and fly out of Poland, but I'll be shocked if they're generating combat sorties out of Poland. That seems like a provocation.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:I don't think it needed a separate tweet, I think it need one clause saying "a nearby highway" It does say that if you read both tweets together, i.e. my post and TheRat's reply to it.
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Dog Friday posted:Out of genuine curiosity, if nukes are completely irrelevant what is holding the west from directly providing military assistance at this stage? Because direct military assistance will make using nukes an option and, therefore, relevant.
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Again that tweet is wrong and not true, it's been denied by all three of the governments mentioned already.
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Going straight from "we need to support Ukraine" to "we have to take a maximalist approach, Saving Ukraine is worth sacrificing our own country" is really insane and not productive.
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Imagine if Soviet fighter pilots were based across the Yalu and kept engaging US fighter jets while pretending to be Korean, that'd be crazy surely
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cinci zoo sniper posted:It does say that if you read both tweets together, i.e. my post and TheRat's reply to it. Yes, when called out about it he said "oh yeah I knew that." The original tweet is still very bad.
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Mendrian posted:I think that one of the things this whole experience has showcased is that the whole concept of 'super powers' might be outdated. It's obviously still possible that Russia might win this conflict over a long enough scale but the conventional calculus of soldiers, munitions, and overwhelming force just isn't what it used to be. don't you think it's more likely that it's not telling you much about superpowers conceptually and it's more telling you something about Russia's status as a superpower?
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Just casually dismissing direct military confrontation between Russia and NATO
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The guy's credentials say former Russia correspondent, so maybe a guy with some contacts? Possible it's a really bad mistranslation? Dog Friday posted:Out of genuine curiosity, if nukes are completely irrelevant what is holding the west from directly providing military assistance at this stage? Besides the possible end of all human life on Earth, yeah nukes are irrelevant No nuclear weapons are not irrelevant in this: that's why NATO refuses to intervene directly with military action
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I edited the tweet out of the original post and put a direct link to the article instead. It matched the tweet when I posted, but I clicked through again and it's been updated significantly walking back the claims EDIT: IT WAS BULLSHIT PLEASE STOP YELLING ABOUT IT KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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Calibanibal posted:I don't think Russia would have the balls. If I'm Poland I call their bluff here. No you're most certainly not.
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tractor fanatic posted:Just casually dismissing direct military confrontation between Russia and NATO If you're having anxiety about a nuclear attack please take a break from reading about the war and relax. Take care of yourself.
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I can't imagine Poland allowing for flights from the country to Ukraine, because if there's sorties that start to intrude into Polish airspace that's a gigantic risk that I'm not sure Poland will want to take (nor would NATO probably let them to be honest).
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Pre-invasion, it was the largest force amassed on the border of another country in modern history. Post-invasion, it's of limited size and likely to fizzle out shortly. I have memories of this but cannot find a single thing about it on Google now with searches containing more recent events but during the Syrian war, wasn't there a brief period where Turkey amassed a huge coalition force (significantly larger than Putin's invasion force prior to entering Ukraine) with various countries and the stated intent of just steamrolling Syria? I remember Putin freaking out and threatening nukes if they attacked and Turkey and co. in turn decided to all just do joint exercises on the border while they were together. I think it was about five different countries and there being close to a million troops? I don't recall it being reported as any type of crisis, just a coalition coming together extremely quickly and being in a good position to just roll over everything, with Putin's stance being that an invasion force of that size would leave him no choice but to resort to what he threatened. Prior to this Turkey had shot down a Russian jet that strayed too far and a Russian diplomat was assassinated on Turkish soil on live TV in front of a lot of media. At the time Erdogan seemed to be itching to fight Russia and managed to get other countries on board to join him. I can't find news reports of it now but if my memory is correct, the stated forces preparing to go into Syria were absurdly vast and right on the border iirc. I'm sure it was real but I can't find a single thing on Google  Edit: Removed reply to another post that seems to be inaccurate. SUNKOS fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Feb 28, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:It does say that if you read both tweets together, i.e. my post and TheRat's reply to it. To be fair it only says so when a third party questioned it
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SUNKOS posted:I dunno, nobody has attacked Belarus yet and Poland would basically be doing the same (but without having nukes parked there which I'd think is a much greater escalation by Russia) role of providing a sort-of staging ground to help out. They're in NATO and Putin would have to be suicidal to attack them. Ukraine is holding their own, Poland and others are just providing equipment. If they were doing what Russia has with requesting military help from other countries (e.g. Chechnya) then I would see it as something to be concerned about maybe, but Polish military isn't hopping over to join in which is the only case where I think things could escalate. Belarus is on the side of the madman that says he will use nukes if anyone interferes. Poland is not. They aren't going to join in because of that.
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tractor fanatic posted:Just casually dismissing direct military confrontation between Russia and NATO Russia is casually implying they intend to use nuclear weapons if they are not allowed their Lebensraum.
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