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Oh, at this point, I assume all the Yeerks under Visser 3 realize the Animorphs are human but that nobody is brave enough to tell him.
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FlocksOfMice posted:If this wasn't a filler book I'd be way more worried too that Rachel is breaking kayfabe and talking to yeerks all the time in what is clearly not the way an andalite would ever choose to communicate. It is a pretty funny aside earlier in the series where they basically say the exact same thing with the teenagers who disappeared by running into the ocean.
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# ? Feb 28, 2022 21:20 |
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Chapter 15quote:<One hour and fifteen minutes. Seventy-five minutes, total.> So, since the Animorphs thread is sort of nostalgic thread for a bunch of people, let me throw in a quote from another nostalgic favorite: Avatar, the Last Airbender "“Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame.” Because that's really what's going on here. Rachel is in over her head, but in a lot of ways, she has herself to blame for it, and now she wants to martyr herself for it. And Ax is right....none of this helps. She made a mistake, and they're in a bad situation, but this is when she has to actually step up and lead, and part of that means listening to people and taking their advice. Chapter 16 quote:Marco followed me out of the barn. So, I might have mentioned this in an earlier book, but the Marco-Rachel relationship will never not be interesting to me, because they're very different people and have this rivalry going on, but also this strange respect for each other, and they'll put up with comments from the other one that they won't put up with from anybody else.
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# ? Mar 1, 2022 04:23 |
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That was a pretty good pair of chapters. I can believe Rachel essentially freaking and breaking down when she realized she got Cassie trapped, and Marco's endorsement of Rachel's strengths being more appropriate for the situation over his own is good. There's even a not-so-subtle shift from the general perspective of Jake as first among equals during mission planning from previous books to an explicit acceptance of a military chain of command.
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# ? Mar 1, 2022 05:19 |
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Epicurius posted:So, I might have mentioned this in an earlier book, but the Marco-Rachel relationship will never not be interesting to me, because they're very different people and have this rivalry going on, but also this strange respect for each other, and they'll put up with comments from the other one that they won't put up with from anybody else. This is exactly why I loved the poo poo out of Megamorphs #4. (well, one of the reasons.) It's the only remaining book I still remember anything substantial about, because the Marco & Rachel storyline in that book cracks me up every time.
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# ? Mar 1, 2022 05:21 |
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There are, I think, two things in this book that are worth the paper they were printed on, and that Marco/Rachel conversation is one of them.Epicurius posted:So, I might have mentioned this in an earlier book, but the Marco-Rachel relationship will never not be interesting to me, because they're very different people and have this rivalry going on, but also this strange respect for each other, and they'll put up with comments from the other one that they won't put up with from anybody else. I'm sure we discussed this earlier and I brought it up then, but I'll do it again: they're both really, really smart. It shows in different ways (Rachel's a conventional genius, Marco's a lazy student who's smart enough to coast on minimal work), but they both know it about each other and their whole dynamic grows out of it, and it gets an additional wrinkle when the war starts because Marco is absolutely the better tactician, so the books get a bit more subtle about Rachel's intelligence. Though she does win that award! They very frequently disagree (but not always, and Marco is more like Rachel than he likes to let on), but they have that respect for each other's brain, and I think that's why they put up with the things they put up with from each other: they each recognize that, regardless of the context or tone, the other one is very smart and if they're saying something severe or insistent, they should probably be paid attention to. Trouble is, the ghostwriters have a lot less respect for Rachel's intelligence than Applegate and Grant did, and we're at the point where it's getting forgotten about.
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# ? Mar 1, 2022 14:29 |
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Chapter 17quote:“Okay, Rachel. This is insane. I mean, genuinely insane. How are we going to get to that plane without getting shot at or eaten by German shepherds?” Animorphs just stole a corporate jet, you guys. Chapter 18 quote:Higher. Higher. And faster. Just to remind you all, this book was written pre 9/11,
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# ? Mar 2, 2022 05:17 |
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An aide rushes into the room where George W. Bush is reading Animorphs #9 to a roomful of schoolchildren. "Sir," he whispers in his ear, "America is under attack."
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# ? Mar 2, 2022 05:43 |
After that, this has turned into a recovery op, not a rescue mission.
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# ? Mar 2, 2022 05:47 |
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Animorphs did 9/11
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# ? Mar 2, 2022 13:53 |
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Epicurius posted:Chapter 17 Wonder if they're gonna send another anonymous envelope of cash to pay for it
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HisMajestyBOB posted:Animorphs did 9/11 jet fuel can’t melt yeerk pools
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Capfalcon posted:Wonder if they're gonna send another anonymous envelope of cash to pay for it Nah, they've "got insurance". It's fine. Plus: Philip Morris. gently caress 'em. quote:Philip Morris International Inc. is a Swiss-American multinational cigarette and tobacco manufacturing company, with products sold in over 180 countries. The most recognized and best selling product of the company is Marlboro.
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# ? Mar 2, 2022 17:10 |
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It's weird to hear KA Applegate acknowledged the megamorphs healing issue. There was a line in there about Rachel returning to human and having cuts on her feet. In retrospect it's ambiguous enough to mean she re-cut herself on the grass but as a kid i always took it to be an intended new wrinkle. The Aldrea books are by far my favorite of the series, although I also love the Marco books. This book and the Atlantis one are the first to just feel wrong. This doesn't feel like Rachel. Starfish book had different Rachels too but that was clearly intentional Anyway I'm caught up now. I didn't read Visser as a kid. They did a good job humanizing her, and then pulling back the curtains and revealing that no, she is actually a monster. The paragraph about infesting her daughter was horrifying
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# ? Mar 2, 2022 17:28 |
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Do I smell Visser One at work? Jet fuel can't melt steel hangar doors...
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# ? Mar 2, 2022 22:51 |
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I thought Marco making a crack about being on meds was a 90s moment, but this, lol Anyway yeah that conversation in the barn - not just Marco and Rachel but also Ax and Tobias trying to reign them in - was a good piece of character writing I wouldn't have expected from this ghostwriter given the rest of the book. I do wonder, again, whether KA didn't just give outlines but would actually provide passages of dialogue for some of a book's more pivotal moments. Having said that, it's a real "cheaper for the TV series to use an existing set" moment for them to bother going all the way back to the barn to debrief when the clock is ticking for Cassie.
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# ? Mar 3, 2022 00:17 |
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Speaking of meds one of the things that was funny to me reading this thread was every time Cassie said Meds and had to explain that Meds means Medication. I think it happened like 3 times
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# ? Mar 3, 2022 01:50 |
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I actually don't dislike this book. It's not anywhere near the best book in the series, and the Garaton is kind of annoying, but it has some good exchanges, is a look at exactly what Jake is good for, and looks at leadership and the failure of leadership.
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# ? Mar 3, 2022 01:55 |
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Chapter 19quote:BABOOOM! I think "Andalite traitor" is the wrong term here. "Spy", maybe, or "guerilla", or his old favorite "bandit", but not traitor. Chapter 20 quote:<Not good.> Politics! All the clowns on the Council of Thirteen, am I right? What a bunch of clowns!
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# ? Mar 3, 2022 04:59 |
Rachel just killed the entire Yeerk Pool
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# ? Mar 3, 2022 05:31 |
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How many human controllers were in that tower when she blew it up? Also I dug out some(?) Of the animorphs books I still have and this book was there so i guess i did actually read it. Somehow still not familiar though, i must not have liked it even back then because i read most animorph books multiple times
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Nihilarian posted:How many human controllers were in that tower when she blew it up? Well, I think the idea is that the building itself is just a decoy, built over the Yeerk Pool entrance. The building itself in empty.
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Epicurius posted:Well, I think the idea is that the building itself is just a decoy, built over the Yeerk Pool entrance. The building itself in empty. Yeah, it doesn't have any elevators or anything. It's just a four tall walls to disguise the landing path to the pool, form my reading.
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# ? Mar 4, 2022 02:20 |
The flaming plane crashing into the Pool, with god knows how much avgas onboard, however...
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Chapter 21quote:“Tseeeer!” Obviously, the Garaton Controller didn't know what a cobra was and what it did. Visser Three does. Chapter 22 quote:The sense of triumph didn’t last. It never does. Real life is complicated. It gets in the way nice, simple emotions. I like this last chapter, and I know that, even in this thread, a lot of people don't like this book, but I didn't dislike it. I don't think it's the best book, but I don't think it's a bad book. It's certainly better than the Atlantis book. I almost wonder if part of the reason the book has a bad reputation is because it comes so soon after Visser, which is one of the best books in the series, in my opinion, so of course it compares negatively. I don't know that the characterization of Rachel is the best, but it does get down the problem of Being in Charge, and realizing a lot of the time you don't know what you're doing but have to seem to anyway, and the pressure that can put on you. But your mileage may differ. So what did you like or dislike about the book? The next book is an Ax book, so that's always fun....book 38, The Arrival, ghostwritten by Kim Morris, and we'll learn about her and start the new book tomorrow.
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# ? Mar 4, 2022 04:27 |
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Finally. I've been waiting to post this TAOC TEH WODNER DOG masterpiece ever since I found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi1026qCTDU
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quote:“I know. Hey, maybe the Yeerks will reconsider the Garatrons’ usefulness as hosts,” I said hopefully. “At least for combat.” Lol, I would be. See you next week for a new adventure, kids! Epicurius posted:I like this last chapter, and I know that, even in this thread, a lot of people don't like this book, but I didn't dislike it. I don't think it's the best book, but I don't think it's a bad book. It's certainly better than the Atlantis book. I almost wonder if part of the reason the book has a bad reputation is because it comes so soon after Visser, which is one of the best books in the series, in my opinion, so of course it compares negatively. Strongly agree, though I think the reason it's not liked is because it has the kernel of a really good idea that goes to the heart of the character dynamics (certainly far more than most ghostwritten books) but just doesn't reach its potential. It's not bad by any means, but I feel like if it had been a KA-authored book in the earlier years (or even authored by one of the better ghostwriters like Melinda Metz) it would have been stronger. I also like that last chapter, and suspect that may be another one where KA handed over more than just a light outline, but it's tempered by e.g. the preceding chapter where I like the general idea of what happens but the actual writing of it - the flow and mechanics of this action setpiece - are really confusing. A classic example, in fact, of the writer dashing off a few sentences for the outline and the ghostwriter struggling with it. (Also lol wtf why is Jake just hanging out waiting for her at the bottom of that kid's driveway, was he tailing her?) Also, this triggered some memory: quote:Marco had struck the Garatron while he was moving at full speed. Like snatching a bullet out of the air. I swear there's some book where Marco is a cobra and Ax is a rattlesnake (or is it Cassie... does she have a snake morph?) and they both coil up the legs of the visser or something to threaten him and someone says, like, "you're fast... those snakes are faster." Has that already happened? Does it happen? Or did I just totally imagine it? (Also props to this book for cracking out the rarely-used morphs but also acknowledging why, in some cases, they're rarely used.)
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# ? Mar 4, 2022 09:17 |
I suppose it hasn't occurred to Visser Three that, generally speaking, killing inspectors or allowing them to die while you stand back and watch, is frowned upon? Then again, the state of the Yeerk Empire, the response will probably be 'well the inspector clearly wasn't up to the task.'
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I hope the authorities are incredibly incompetent and don't manage to track down the group of teenagers that stole a plane and crashed it into a building.
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WrightOfWay posted:I hope the authorities are incredibly incompetent and don't manage to track down the group of teenagers that stole a plane and crashed it into a building. I was going to make a quip about "it was the 90s" but I think the actual answer is that the Controllers who made sure nobody noticed a hollow building downtown will also quash that investigation early on. (Also no smartphones = no broader questions about "uhhhh I don't think it makes sense that this was just a 'shooting star'???") edit - in fact I think the only explanation for some of the insane poo poo happening now is that, at this late stage in the story, the Yeerks control like 80-90% of the local police/government edit 2 - now I'm having a vision of this one uninfested public servant attending a dinner party in SoCal in the late 90s and the other 10 guests are so secure in their domination they're just full-on talking Yeerk Empire Council politics and he's like... hmm... no idea what they're talking about, but better just nod and smile or they'll think I'm stupid freebooter fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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WrightOfWay posted:I hope the authorities are incredibly incompetent and don't manage to track down the group of teenagers that stole a plane and crashed it into a building. Swamp gas.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I suppose it hasn't occurred to Visser Three that, generally speaking, killing inspectors or allowing them to die while you stand back and watch, is frowned upon? Again, I'm betting the Council is probably regretting that whole "exonerating Visser Three for open-and-shut charges of treason" thing probably even more now than they were like, I dunno, a week ago.
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freebooter posted:edit 2 - now I'm having a vision of this one uninfested public servant attending a dinner party in SoCal in the late 90s and the other 10 guests are so secure in their domination they're just full-on talking Yeerk Empire Council politics and he's like... hmm... no idea what they're talking about, but better just nod and smile or they'll think I'm stupid lol just lol if this isn't already 90% of your social interaction
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Epicurius posted:
This is the other part of this book I always thought was worthwhile. Epicurius posted:I like this last chapter, and I know that, even in this thread, a lot of people don't like this book, but I didn't dislike it. I don't think it's the best book, but I don't think it's a bad book. It's certainly better than the Atlantis book. I almost wonder if part of the reason the book has a bad reputation is because it comes so soon after Visser, which is one of the best books in the series, in my opinion, so of course it compares negatively. I didn't read Visser in its proper place the first couple times I read it, so that's not it for me. I think the book is dreadful and undercuts any interesting ideas it has with lousy implementation. 1) The characterization of Rachel is unforgivable. She's always known she doesn't want to be in charge, and she's known for a long time how hard it would be to be in charge. She has a moment with Jake all the way back in the David books where she makes the point to him that everything he thinks is true of her as a violent fighter is also true of him as a leader of a guerrilla band, because while they each handle the one they're doing better than the other one would, both are traumatic: there's no going back to "normal" for either of them at that point. As other people said in the thread earlier, Rachel's characterization here is pretty close to that of Mean Rachel from book 32, down to the lack of foresight, and there's no good reason for it. If they wanted to do a Being In Charge book and make it interesting, it should have come early on, not well after the point every other Animorph has acknowledged how hard it is for Jake. 2) The book comes off as deeply lazy to me. Visser Three, as you pointed out, calls the Animorphs "traitors" more than once for no good reason. The plane crash scene is a clear "let's do this to get from A to B and not think deeply about it." If the Yeerks are suppressing the investigation into the plane crash somehow, you'd think they'd at least do their own investigation into the handful of kids who somehow hijacked a jet. And while the books have always played loose with the question "how long does morphing take?" I really don't believe that Rachel could have stayed in the plane long enough until "that rectangular roof seemed to fill my entire field of vision" and completed a morph in the time it took the plane to crash through the roof and then through the ground, let alone done so while surviving being banged around the plane, sucked out of it, and remaining alive and conscious while falling through the explosion and debris caused by the crash. It's just "don't think about it, things have to work this way for the plot to work," and when it's this obvious, it takes me out of a book hard.
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Book 38The Arrival Ghostwritten by Kimberly Morris Morris is probably the most prolific of the ghostwriters, having written or ghostwritten over 50 books. She started working in animation, writing and being a production coordinator of episodes of Silver Hawks, Strawberry Shortcake, and Thundercats, among others. She then went on to write and ghostwrite children's books including books in series like Mary Kate and Ashley, Disney Fairies, Fraggle Rock, the Muppets, the Muppet Babies, and the Sweet Valley books (she wrote 35 Sweet Valley books), and also wrote standalone novels. She went on to become a motivational speaker and to teach seminars on childrens' book writing, and is the founder of a company called Publishing Matters, which, from its website "produces trade-quality books and printed matter for nonprofits and corporations to use as powerful fundraising, education, and marketing tools. We can provide every area of service your organization needs to create a successful publishing project - concept, content, marketing plan, print production, and fulfillment." Anyway, on to the book! Chapter 1 quote:Crumph! Crumph! So for some reason, an immortal, indestructible ancient android who can project holograms was captured by the Yeerks. Maybe Mr. King just isn't very good. I also like Ax's just general disdain for pacifism (appropriate), and the Yeerks both realizing that Visser Three will kill them if they fail and coming up with the strategy of "What if we just don't tell him" (likely). Chapter 2 quote:Morphing is an odd and disturbing process. It is never the same twice. The last time I came out of cockroach morph, my hind legs were the first portions of my Andalite anatomy to emerge. Nothing much to say other than that I enjoyed "I could slice a human in half with one slice....well, maybe two slices. I have a tendency to overstate my abilities."
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# ? Mar 5, 2022 04:10 |
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I like this one. One of the better books in the post-Visser late phase ghostwritten stretch, and certainly better than the last Ax book, since it actually has thematic relevance to his story arc instead of just being a story about cows that could've been narrated by any of them.quote:And I, as an Andalite, have the secret of my own race to keep. ...what's he talking about here? Seerow's Kindness was only a secret to the Animorphs and they learned about it ages ago. Is the Hork Bajir genocide a secret?
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EDIT: My first instinct was "i cant let people know Andalites exist" but rereading it, that doesn't feel right in context. I'm honestly not sure
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I also read it as hiding that he's an andalite is an additional layer of secrecy he has that the rest of the animorphs do not.
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pile of brown posted:I also read it as hiding that he's an andalite is an additional layer of secrecy he has that the rest of the animorphs do not. Yeah, that's what I thought on reading that.
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Starting out pretty solid, and Ax has always been a fun narrator, so looking forward to this one. Re: the last book, I'd probably put it in the bottom half, but nowhere near rock bottom, mostly due to inconsistency. But it's got more than enough good parts that I can imagine what the better version of it is. The big change I would make would be for Rachel be a more reluctant leader at first, and only get pushed into it when the group decides they need to have these missions done. Then, have a few of the rapid fire hits go well before she gets into the adrenaline rush of deciding to go Maximum Bear and the rest of the book after that is mostly the same. Ultimately, it's likely a problem of having very short page counts to pack a set up, a series of battle set pieces, multiple emotional arcs, a final battle, and a chapter to wrap it up in a very nice bow, all within a month. I'm torn on the Inspector. On the one hand, we're coming off Visser, which was all Yeerk politics, all the time, so it can't help being underwhelming compatibles. Also, we don't learn much about him, aside from the fact that he hates Visser Three (which is quite a bit club in the Empire alone) and he's got a new host body that could spell trouble in the future. But if we take Visser out of the equation, it's awful fun to get another peek at the Yeerk Empire's self destructive rivalries. Also, Visser Three is ice cold at the end, basically tricking his rival into getting himself killed.
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# ? Mar 5, 2022 07:55 |