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MonikaTSarn posted:I'm not so convinced this part of the Geneva Convention is a good thing if it prevents the agressor from being shamed at home. Just thinking about pictures of american POW during the vietnam war, and how they possibly made the war more unpopular at home leading to its eventual end. They very easily could have censored the faces of the soldiers. Any one of them could become a sensation at home if their phone call goes viral in Russia
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Upgrade posted:to be fair if you tube has taught me anything its that you can eat expired MREs just fine (thanks stevemre!). but the "where do they poo poo" question is a fair one! you empty the MRE bag, you fill the MRE bag. the cycle of life
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i mean it makes sense. WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Russian morale was higher in Leningrad than it is in kyivgrad. i mean that was their homeland so even when your eating shoe leather and rats its "higher". with this, there is no goal outside "take this place" and "you will be greeted with flowers" if even that.
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So a couple days ago, when the Ukrainian government first publicized the website they had set up with videos of POWs and scans of documents of those killed, I flipped through the documents and almost every single one was in his 40's. Doesn't really mesh with the "they're all 18 year old conscripts" narrative.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:It's also worth noting, Ukraine didn't manage to blow up the whole thing to pieces, so, I'm not sure why its being pointed to as some kind of sign of massive incompetence or institutional stupidity. I feel like this is a very important thing to note. If this was day 1 or day 2 that entire column would be smoking, but for some reason it seems to be almost entirely intact now after being there for a long rear end time. I don't see any reason why the Ukranians would stop shooting stitting ducks, so there has to be some other significant reason why they can't or won't attack it. That reason is at least somewhat likely to be "Russians actually started doing poo poo properly and now have air superiority"
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That Italian Guy posted:Are they getting closer to it though? We've had a few pics of Russian equipment being bombed / destroyed, but it felt like in the first few days it was a non-stop flow of "30 burned out Russian vehicles in a row on a street" and now it's more "a drone explodes a single rocket battery" once a day. Not sure if it's just Opsec, Ukraine running out /being unable to use their stuff as effective as before, Russia beign more cautious and having a better position or a combination of all that. While its slowed down some, there are still tons of posts on vehicles, yes blown up but an increasing number are just abandoned, and quite a few with fuel still left in the tank. People have been busy posting long discussions about other topics rather than about the immediate reality on the ground as much. Which is fair! It's D&D and a lot of it has been very insightful! There's huge international political poo poo going down! But it seems like a lot of people in this thread have stopped looking at the equipment photos and videos that are being posted on Twitter and elsewhere. Not me though because my brain is broken.
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TheRat posted:I feel like this is a very important thing to note. If this was day 1 or day 2 that entire column would be smoking, but for some reason it seems to be almost entirely intact now after being there for a long rear end time. I don't see any reason why the Ukranians would stop shooting stitting ducks, so there has to be some other significant reason why they can't or won't attack it. That reason is at least somewhat likely to be "Russians actually started doing poo poo properly and now have air superiority" you're mixing up two concepts air superiority means your aircraft can do whatever you want. neither side appears to have air superiority. nobody has ever claimed ukraine had air superiority, people believed russia should have it already (but it does not). i absolutely agree that ukraine hasn't just failed to read the news and if they could attack it, they could - that means that russian air defenses are strong enough to deter a bombing run in that region. but that doesn't mean that russia can send out its helicopters without getting them blown up, or has eliminated the ability of the ukraine air force to operate elsewhere.
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Thom12255 posted:Just impressive how poor their logistics are when Kyiv is right across the border. https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1498685248095375362 https://www.ft.com/content/e32aaff8-af24-46e1-8c7c-2a7d09387e45 quote:China signalled it was ready to play a role in finding a ceasefire in Ukraine as it “deplored” the outbreak of conflict in its strongest comments yet on the war.
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TheRat posted:I feel like this is a very important thing to note. If this was day 1 or day 2 that entire column would be smoking, but for some reason it seems to be almost entirely intact now after being there for a long rear end time. I don't see any reason why the Ukranians would stop shooting stitting ducks, so there has to be some other significant reason why they can't or won't attack it. That reason is at least somewhat likely to be "Russians actually started doing poo poo properly and now have air superiority" Theory, so I don't get yelled at: There's tons of video and pictures of supply trucks that have been acquired, destroyed, or abandoned. Why waste fire on a convoy that is running out of fuel and food? Even a tenth of those vehicles becoming immobilized due to a shortage of fuel stops that thing in its tracks
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evilweasel posted:you're mixing up two concepts Air superiority means you have the upper hand and the enemy struggles to perform. Air supremacy means your aircraft can do whatever you want.
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KitConstantine posted:There's tons of video and pictures of supply trucks that have been acquired, destroyed, or abandoned. Why waste fire on a convoy that is running out of fuel and food? Yeah, this: The convoy isn't making a lot of headway, its gonna run out of fuel on its own as it sits, and even if it got to Kyiv, its likely it would be readily attacked or captured. TheRat posted:Air superiority means you have the upper hand and the enemy struggles to perform. Right now, neither side has either. Russia can keep Ukrainian aircraft low or out of the sky, but Russians own aircraft have to strike from significant distance.
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KitConstantine posted:Theory, so I don't get yelled at: Also keeping in mind, every one of those vehicles that does get bombed is one that can't be stolen by pissed off Ukrainian citizens looking to further make a meme of Russia's military.
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https://twitter.com/Blake_Allen13/status/1498694897825718273 Absolutely hilarious if this is true.
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Shooting a TV tower to stop propaganda and hitting a holocaust memorial is a remarkable denazification success
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:you empty the MRE bag, you fill the MRE bag. the cycle of life Ah, I was wondering what the term "muscle movement" was referring to.
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Zephro posted:I wonder if assessments like this are part of what's persuaded China to start saying they're willing to broker a ceasefire and to ramp up its language a little. I wonder if Putin can get some sort of off ramp if China negotiates a ceasefire and treaty, saying that the West was never serious about peace. Then again, Putin doesn't want anyone to be bolstered so...
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Some Finnish military officials speculated Ukraine simply does not have enough artillery resources to bomb the convoy. It should be noted that Finnish military has a history of bombing Russians with massive artillery strikes.
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When Ukraine starts having captured Belarussian phone their families, will it cause more problems in Belarus than it has in Russia thus far?
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Djarum posted:https://twitter.com/Blake_Allen13/status/1498694897825718273 Anonymous claimed to have leaked the Russian MoD database a few days back so it's probably true
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Also its fairly likelu the Ukrainians have very limited ordinance, at least at the front lines. They only have 12 baraktyars total and it isn't clear how many missiles they have for them. It might be a matter where they have to ration strikes and hitting the front and the fuel makes more sense than total destruction.
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Djarum posted:https://twitter.com/Blake_Allen13/status/1498694897825718273 Ukrainian Prada, is that a fashion magazine?  (it's Pravda, 'Truth')
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, this: The convoy isn't making a lot of headway, its gonna run out of fuel on its own as it sits, and even if it got to Kyiv, its likely it would be readily attacked or captured. Plus it seems like there's been enough time to set up barricades/demolition sites that would halt its progress even more if it started moving closer, so command can concentrate on other areas while this particular threat remains a safe distance away.
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greazeball posted:Plus it seems like there's been enough time to set up barricades/demolition sites that would halt its progress even more if it started moving closer, so command can concentrate on other areas while this particular threat remains a safe distance away. This. It's not like Ukraine won't notice if it starts moving again.
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https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1498687821355405315?s=20&t=2A3sZyvowK5B6xpUCihhqQ Why bother attacking it with a risky air attack when it's stalling on its own?
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Morrow posted:https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1498687821355405315?s=20&t=2A3sZyvowK5B6xpUCihhqQ One would assume it's not going to stay there forever if left alone
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Also makes sense to let the convoy get a little closer so that when you do strike it you can take whatever is left/abandoned to defend the city
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TheRat posted:I feel like this is a very important thing to note. If this was day 1 or day 2 that entire column would be smoking, but for some reason it seems to be almost entirely intact now after being there for a long rear end time. I don't see any reason why the Ukranians would stop shooting stitting ducks, so there has to be some other significant reason why they can't or won't attack it. That reason is at least somewhat likely to be "Russians actually started doing poo poo properly and now have air superiority" the simplest likely answer is that russia is concentrating their forces outside of the effective range of ukrainian heavy weapons and airstrikes. the most effective weapons to use in this case - tube and rocket artillery - aren't close enough to strike. ukraine probably doesn't have a lot of close air support aircraft remaining and it would be better to employ those aircraft in actual combat and not interdicting a buildup where the enemy is more closely protected by their own AA
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C’mon, you eat an MRE and there’s nothing to fill the bag back up with. We called it “getting off the MRE train”, and you needed to be prepared for that. Wet wipes and all.
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TulliusCicero posted:
It reminds me of every time republicans come into congress and cut some program that is meant to mitigate a blackswan event and suddenly when the thing happens everyone is reminded why that program was designed in the first place
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fatherboxx posted:Shooting a TV tower to stop propaganda and hitting a holocaust memorial is a remarkable denazification success I can't find it but a Russian organ reported that the site was being used to urge citizens in Russia to commit terrorism and other crimes against the state. They are going full Soviet.
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I would maybe dedicate more of my mobile forces to areas where this is going down rather than on a traffic jam that's still 10s of kms away https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1498696821245362176?t=E8Cy22zRaGmuwxCP7RtUSA&s=19
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Djarum posted:https://twitter.com/Blake_Allen13/status/1498694897825718273 Ukraine army should try and broadcast to the Russian troops that if they don't leave RIGHT NOW, they will but telling their parents. With how low the morale seems to be, and how young the conscripts are, I wouldn't be surprised if a stupid threat like that actually get some of them to leave.
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ravenkult posted:Article 35 bans weapons that "cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering," as well as means of warfare that "cause widespread, long-term, and severe damage to the natural environment." Article 35 doesn't ban specific weapons like thermobaric weapons which is what the post was about. It just says you can't use any weapons, be it a bomb or a rifle, to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering (or long-term environmental damage). The geneva conventions does says how you can use something, but not what you can use with one exception - there's a separate geneva protocol that explicitly bans chemical (including gas) and biological weapons. Thermobaric weapons are absolutely awful, but they're not banned by the geneva convention. There's a whole host of international treaties that ban many different types of weapons, but Russia is not a signatory to a lot of them. MonikaTSarn posted:I'm not so convinced this part of the Geneva Convention is a good thing if it prevents the agressor from being shamed at home. Just thinking about pictures of american POW during the vietnam war, and how they possibly made the war more unpopular at home leading to its eventual end. The Hanoi marches of PoWs actually did the opposite, and if anything increased support for the war. American pilots were tortured until they did videotaped confessions of the crimes they did against civilians and how they were well-treated. The most famous instance is probably John McCain's "confession" and how he never regained full use of his arms after having his shoulders broken during the torture. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Dante fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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TheRat posted:One would assume it's not going to stay there forever if left alone Don't interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake etc. etc.
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Alchenar posted:Imagine trying to fight after spending 2-3 days living in a truck in the forest at 0 degrees C. I read an account from someone who had been on the ground in Fallujah as a ~19 year old, written a few years later. A thing that stuck with me is that by the time they got to the point of "time to start killing people" they had been awake for more than 36 hours straight.
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So there's a 7 minute long rambling video of Lukashenko explaining to his security council why Putin is actually doing extremely great and how Ukraine should surrender before Russia goes full Iraq on it. It was fairly low content, but he mentioned that Belarusian hospitals treated 170 Russian soldiers. He used this number to refute Ukrainian number on Russian losses, but inadvertently might have confirmed that they are in the right ballpark. I imagine only a small fraction of wounded soldiers would actually be transported all the way to Belarus.
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Upgrade posted:This feels like something that was solved for 60 years ago. How do radios in the US army work?
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:you empty the MRE bag, you fill the MRE bag. the cycle of life I am reminded of the horrifying sequence in Catch-22 where a comatose soldier in a bodycast just has his pee-drain and IV fluid bags switched around every 24 hours.
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