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Man Plan Canal posted:You don't need to use the passive voice to describe an irredentist dictator choosing to invade a country in an illegal war of aggression. You aren't a New York Times headline writer. Where were you 7-8 years ago when this "illegal war" started? You're a bit late to the game to start playing the role of white knight. You and anyone else that is as passionate as yourself are just a flight and taxi ride away from a victory. A victory against an irredentist dictator would look good on your resume. Next to your many other achievements. Meanwhile, I'll put in more effort towards that Pulitzer. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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KitConstantine posted:I've posted this article multiple times at this point, but it seems like some of you are new to this conversation. Russian News sites published an article unironically praising Putin for being the one to resolve "The Ukrainian Question". It was commented on at the time, and again yesterday. The below Twitter thread is out of date because the article is actually live on The Sputnik website right now. Oh man I never read that article. That's really unsettling, yeah Ukrainians are hosed if he wins.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:OK but what is the plan? What is the good outcome here? is Ukraine just going to start winning, is the U.S. or NATO going to come in guns blazing and rescue everyone? Should Ukrainian's just fight and die to the last? The goal is a peace agreement that is fine for Ukraine. In order to get such a peace agreement they do not need to kill every Russian soldier, it's sufficient to make the war too expensive for Russia to continue. Both the military aid and the sanctions are making such a peace agreement more likely.
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Djarum posted:https://twitter.com/AnonUkraine_/status/1498741290002956294 It's kind of bad, but that's just the web frontend, not the actual bank. Getting all that stuff leaked, especially TLS keys, is still pretty humliating.
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Djarum posted:https://twitter.com/AnonUkraine_/status/1498741290002956294 What could they do with it? Most code I know is VBA
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OctaMurk posted:We are less than one week into the war. Another interesting thing about this is that I think a Russian loss (official or not) is going to make future peer wars less likely. Unless it comes out that the Russian army was just a paper tiger this whole time, the case study shows that the cost of invading anything approaching a peer nation is ludicrously high.
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DaysBefore posted:Oh man I never read that article. That's really unsettling, yeah Ukrainians are hosed if he wins. Correct. Which is why I find it loving galling to watch posters argue that the Ukrainian people should have just rolled over and waited for the knives to come. Meanwhile things like this are happening right loving now https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498772404843298817?t=WTiCNUhuKOdifdOrMEO_QA&s=19
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Djarum posted:https://twitter.com/AnonUkraine_/status/1498741290002956294 I imagine Russian institutions have been living under a false sense of security given that the majority of cyberattacks intentionally avoid targeting them. They must be at least as vulnerable as the west, probably more so. We'll see a lot more of this now I think.
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DaysBefore posted:Oh man I never read that article. That's really unsettling, yeah Ukrainians are hosed if he wins. Yes, and Ukrainians know this, and that's why huge numbers are preparing to defend Kyiv and Kharkhiv, and/or become partisans if the country is occupied.
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Antigravitas posted:It's kind of bad, but that's just the web frontend, not the actual bank. api/cli/sdk backend leak is not that rosy, meaning that either they have to keep running a leaked backend in a hacker rich enviroment or they need to rework it(and without access to skilled third party coders since nobody worth their salt is going to want rubles today).
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Walh Hara posted:The goal is a peace agreement that is fine for Ukraine. In order to get such a peace agreement they do not need to kill every Russian soldier, it's sufficient to make the war too expensive for Russia to continue. Both the military aid and the sanctions are making such a peace agreement more likely. Yes thats what a peace talk is. That's what posters are hoping for. Why is this so controversial?
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Chalks posted:I imagine Russian institutions have been living under a false sense of security given that the majority of cyberattacks intentionally avoid targeting them. They must be at least as vulnerable as the west, probably more so. We'll see a lot more of this now I think. It's also not that great in that it will be characterized as yet another Western provocation.
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Djarum posted:https://twitter.com/AnonUkraine_/status/1498741290002956294 It looks like they got hold of the Docker images. At the absolute worse case scenario, this basically means that they effectively have the code to the internal workings of the bank, but that shouldn't (normally) include any data. It does look like they have some private keys baked into the images which is pretty lazy and bad, so lol on that point at least. Unless there's some zero-day exploits that shakes out of analysing the images (which is far from unlikely), this just means that the bank will have to go offline for a few days as they revoke and rebuild all their certificates. A huge egg-on-face situation, but certainly not as catastrophic as a "full breach", unless there is more than is being displayed in those tweets. edit Elaborating a bit: That portainer.io screenshot strongly indicates that whoever took those screenshot is running a "clone" of the bank off of the downloaded images. There's absolutely 0 chance that the bank uses portainer for orchestration. Aramis fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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Warmachine posted:Another interesting thing about this is that I think a Russian loss (official or not) is going to make future peer wars less likely. Unless it comes out that the Russian army was just a paper tiger this whole time, the case study shows that the cost of invading anything approaching a peer nation is ludicrously high. You can imagine China with a worse military trying to invade taiwan which is far easier to defend
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Warmachine posted:Another interesting thing about this is that I think a Russian loss (official or not) is going to make future peer wars less likely. Unless it comes out that the Russian army was just a paper tiger this whole time, the case study shows that the cost of invading anything approaching a peer nation is ludicrously high. The issue is Russia bit off more than they can chew. A campaign for the Donbas, or even linking up the separatists with Crimea, was probably more realistic. They could absolutely have fought a limited war with Ukraine and won. But Ukraine is in a state of total mobilization bankrolled by most of the world's GDP, and Russia can't match that, especially not without provoking domestic unrest.
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/1498759267091771396 Hm, I wonder if the UAF's capabilities are impacted, or it's just that the airspace around the Donbas front is very heavily contested and/or too far from their bases. I guess it's probably a bit of both.
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Despera posted:You can imagine China with a worse military trying to invade taiwan which is far easier to defend I can accept that their warfighters may be inept but is their hardware in that bad of shape?
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Oh and the Wagner PMC/mercenary company, aka the "plausible deniability arm" of the Russian Military, is actively recruiting more like minded bastards to go and do mayhem upon the Ukrainian people. https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1498775372883714049?t=ogP2SbkZTD5U-cxxJs0D7Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1498776647750889475?t=-PDWFK5CiyG-M10WJ5xXeA&s=19
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Despera posted:You can imagine China with a worse military trying to invade taiwan which is far easier to defend China's army is probably better than this. Still amphibious invasions are hard, and I'm not so sure about that Chinese navy. I don't think they're going for Taiwan any time soon.
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Antigravitas posted:It's kind of bad, but that's just the web frontend, not the actual bank. Depending on which keys they have, that could be pretty bad. Anyone could legitimately pose as www/api/etc.russianbank.ru or whatever they are, if those are included. Guess they'd better be ready to update some CRLs, and then hope whatever is actually relying on the certs checks said lists :O
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Chalks posted:I imagine Russian institutions have been living under a false sense of security given that the majority of cyberattacks intentionally avoid targeting them. They must be at least as vulnerable as the west, probably more so. We'll see a lot more of this now I think. Yeah I'd assume that Russian institutions are seen as pretty much open season for western hackers right now, whether or not they are funded by their governments. There was an interview (Swedish) with a Ukranian team of IT workers that moved out from eastern Ukraine to Western Ukraine and were put to hack Russian official websites instead of joining the armed forces, mostly using simpler tools like DDoS attacks to buy the Ukranian army time. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/bGB8Ge/hackare-i-ukraina-genomfor-ddos-attacker-pa-ryssland
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the popes toes posted:It's also not that great in that it will be characterized as yet another Western provocation. I'm not sure that really matters at this point. If western cyberattacks are useful to them they'd claim they were happening regardless of reality.
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some kinda jackal posted:Depending on which keys they have, that could be pretty bad. Anyone could legitimately pose as www/api/etc.russianbank.ru or whatever they are, if those are included. Guess they'd better be ready to update some CRLs, and then hope whatever is actually relying on the certs checks said lists :O They need new languages, strong, irrisistable Motherland code. Dependence on western code must end.
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lilljonas posted:Yeah I'd assume that Russian institutions are seen as pretty much open season for western hackers right now, whether or not they are funded by their governments. There was an interview (Swedish) with a Ukranian team of IT workers that moved out from eastern Ukraine to Western Ukraine and were put to hack Russian official websites instead of joining the armed forces, mostly using simpler tools like DDoS attacks to buy the Ukranian army time. Hey maybe that's where our outsourced Ukrainian IT support folks disappeared to.
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steinrokkan posted:He's already done ethnic cleansing of Ossetia of Georgians, Crimea and Donbas (not just of Ukrainians, Tartars in Crimea also ). also that, yeah Putin is not hiding the ball here. Anyone who thinks there is some preferable option better than "fight back to the death or flee for your lives" at this point, still available to Ukrainians . . . all I can say is that's the sort of stereotyped false nonviolence that right-wing mil-sf writers write when they want to parody and satirize the anti-war left.
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Djarum posted:https://twitter.com/AnonUkraine_/status/1498741290002956294 Oh poo poo
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Ciprian Maricon posted:OK but what is the plan? What is the good outcome here? is Ukraine just going to start winning, is the U.S. or NATO going to come in guns blazing and rescue everyone? Should Ukrainian's just fight and die to the last? If they want to fight and die to the last that's a better outcome to them than seeing Ukraine extinguished by a man who doesn't believe it exists.
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Djarum posted:https://twitter.com/AnonUkraine_/status/1498741290002956294 Wow... I don't have many words to say to this, but this doesn't bode well for Sberbank. I think this deserves an explainer to those that don't know the lingo - could someone do that? Edit: nevermind there have been posts about this above. Perhaps it's not as bad as it looks, but I do think that the timing of this probably makes things worse than it would be in peacetime. I imagine doing an incident response during the current situation at a company of that size is... not fun. Especially when you're getting hammered with banking sanctions. dominoeffect fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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SlowBloke posted:api/cli/sdk backend leak is not that rosy, meaning that either they have to keep running a leaked backend in a hacker rich enviroment or they need to rework it(and without access to skilled third party coders since nobody worth their salt is going to want rubles today). on the other hand, there are a shitload of programmers in russia who are out of work since last week. our company had some contractors working on our legacy products, smart guys, but we had to cut them loose because of both international law and the sanctions making it impossible for us to pay them even if we wanted to ignore the law (unless we paid them in crypto or something idiotic). there's no shortage of computer programmers in russia and a ton of them are functionally unemployed right now dominoeffect posted:Wow... I don't have many words to say to this, but this doesn't bode well for Sberbank. I think this deserves an explainer to those that don't know the lingo - could someone do that? they basically have to pull down their website and rebuild it. imagine someone got the master key for all the actual bank lobbies and now they have to change the locks at every bank branch in the country. not entirely catastrophic but they're going to be closed for business for a while
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Saying "give peace a chance" when you've already been loving invaded 8 years ago and then invaded even harder reminds me of this: Pacificism I understand and respect, even if I disagree with it. It's at least a rationale and consistent moral framework. You don't need to respond to every aggression with over-reactive violence, but constant appeasement ultimately leads to greater evil in the world, not less of it. If this thread is getting too philosophical and not enough news-y I'll stop.
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SinJin posted:Where were you 7-8 years ago when this "illegal war" started? You're a bit late to the game to start playing the role of white knight. You and anyone else that is as passionate as yourself are just a flight and taxi ride away from a victory. A victory against an irredentist dictator would look good on your resume. Next to your many other achievements. Meanwhile, I'll put in more effort towards that Pulitzer. what the gently caress are you talking about dude
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dominoeffect posted:Wow... I don't have many words to say to this, but this doesn't bode well for Sberbank. I think this deserves an explainer to those that don't know the lingo - could someone do that? Yes, my friend is also asking what this means.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Nobody starts a war to give the invaded country better health care options or free chocolate. Yeah, you start a war in a country to bring the people freedom obviously. I have no doubt that a huge number of high-ups in the US government unironically 100% truly believed they were doing that with Iraq, like they're George C. Marshall. I don't know really anything about Russia, and based on Putin's speech it doesn't look like he's under an illusions of trying to help Ukraine, but definitely a large number of Americans & American government officials truly thought they were bringing peace and love to Iraq, hundreds of cruise missiles at a time. poo poo, maybe even George W Bush thought that. The US propaganda at the time certainly sold it as such.
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Relevant Tangent posted:If they want to fight and die to the last that's a better outcome to them than seeing Ukraine extinguished by a man who doesn't believe it exists. I know one of CSPAM's gimmicks is Holodomor denial for the lulz, but the last time Ukraine was owned by (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ciprian Maricon posted:I don't doubt their bravery, love of country, or am indifferent about what they think about their country. I am simply asking how they are going to win because it does not currently appear to be happening now or likely indications that its going to change. The same way any nation makes itself wildly ungovernable by its occupiers while the Seat of Empire crumbles into chaos. Every day the Ukranian population fights back has layered economic pariah status onto Russia. The armed resistance is accomplishing this.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Other than some posts on the first day where the Russian MoD claimed to have completely wiped out Ukraine's AA defense and also claimed to be launching an amphibious landing, I haven't really seen anything from them. I've seen lots of stuff from random people who support Russia and of course the usually statements from government officials and news broadcasts. They are, I've seen plenty of them on twitter. I don't post them because they make me sick. Someone else can mine the Russian side of social media for poo poo, it ain't gonna be me.
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