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Why do they need parts if they can't fly anywhere?  Seriously though, China for what they can or other "friendly" countries that still deal with that maniac, but that's pretty much the idea of sanctions in a world of global trade. See how long they can go until they cry uncle or make concessions. e: hobbesmaster posted:If Russia closes air space to everyone closing their air space to Russia isn’t that a major pain in the rear end for a ton of great circle routes?
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After MH17, who would WANT to overfly Russian airspace at this point when they are violently thrashing out.
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It hurts, but not quite as much as you might think. Russia already charged an arm and a leg for overflight service, so it was often more economical to route around them.
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Extremely hot take: the Ukraine situation was orchestrated by Anchorage Airport to get a bunch of traffic passing through there like during the Cold War.
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My guy ANC is mega busy with freight fuel stops from Asia. It's probably got more heavy traffic than any other US airport.
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PhotoKirk posted:Dale Brown parachute account spotted.  But just look at it. I want one. Pleeeeease.
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kalleth posted:
So, B-1, B-52, F-35, C-17 kitbash?
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Don't forget the Bonanza
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It's got a pointy nose and a v-tail because stealth!!  *Hangs 4 CF6s off the wings*
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Has afterburners and is Mach 1+ because why not
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PhotoKirk posted:Dale Brown parachute account spotted. The contract is already signed with Rolls Royce.
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hobbesmaster posted:So, B-1, B-52, F-35, C-17 kitbash? B 58 too!
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Wait a minute, wasn’t this whole situation the plot of one of The Wingman books?
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I'm pretty sure revanchist Russia invades Ukraine is actually a Dale Brown book. Edit: Chains of Command. (1993) Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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So it looks like Poland, Bulgaria and Slovakia are giving Ukraine a shitload of Mig29 and Su25. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-pilots-poland-picking-054947409.html I wonder what the armament situation is like for them? Could they have been "westernized" for NATO-type weapons?
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they're not. lemme dig up the refutations from all of those respective governments https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_192582.htm shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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That makes sense, otherwise nations would be giving up sizable percentages of their air forces. ALTHOUGH, there might be some wiggle room in those statements. If they freely give them to Ukraine and Ukraine picks them up, Poland isn't "sending" anything.
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slidebite posted:So it looks like Poland, Bulgaria and Slovakia are giving Ukraine a shitload of Mig29 and Su25. this has been resoundingly denied by all three countries for what it's worth
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I’ve been musing about how much US equipment is over there with the numbers filed off and a new flag hastily painted over. I understand there to be PMCs in play so you could get deniability set up pretty quickly if that was so needed.
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That’s be incredibly obvious though, US made antitank weapons are in use but nothing else.
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slidebite posted:That makes sense, otherwise nations would be giving up sizable percentages of their air forces. Duda : Poland is not sending jets to Ukraine. there may be a couple of MIGs out back, fully-fueled with the keys in them. Please don't steal them, that would be very naughty.
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PURSUANT TO 49 USC SECTIONS 40103 AND 40113(A), ALL RUSSIAN AIR CARRIERS AND COMMERCIAL OPERATORS, REGARDLESS OF THE STATE OF REGISTRY OF THE AIRCRAFT; ALL AIRCRAFT REGISTERED IN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION; ALL RUSSIAN STATE AIRCRAFT, REGARDLESS OF THE STATE OF REGISTRY OF THE AIRCRAFT; AND ALL AIRCRAFT, REGARDLESS OF THE STATE OF REGISTRY, OWNED, CHARTERED, LEASED, OPERATED OR CONTROLLED BY, FOR, OR FOR THE BENEFIT OF, A PERSON WHO IS A CITIZEN OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ARE PROHIBITED FROM OPERATING TO, FROM, WITHIN, OR THROUGH U.S. TERRITORIAL AIRSPACE, EXCEPT FOR AIRCRAFT ENGAGED IN HUMANITARIAN OR SAR OPERATIONS SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED BY THE FAA, STATE AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS GRANTED A DIPLOMATIC CLEARANCE BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND AIRCRAFT EXPERIENCING IN-FLIGHT EMERGENCIES. ALL EXCEPTED AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS UNDER THIS NOTAM MUST RECEIVE APPROPRIATE ECONOMIC AUTHORIZATION FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PRIOR TO CONDUCTING FLIGHT OPERATIONS TO, FROM, WITHIN, OR THROUGH U.S. TERRITORIAL AIRSPACE. AIRCRAFT OPERATORS SUBJECT TO THIS NOTAM WHO DO NOT COMPLY WITH THESE INSTRUCTIONS MAY BE INTERCEPTED, AND THEIR PILOTS AND OTHER CREWMEMBERS DETAINED AND INTERVIEWED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OR SECURITY PERSONNEL, AS APPROPRIATE. ALL PREVIOUSLY OBTAINED FAA AUTHORIZATIONS FOR AIRCRAFT AND OPERATIONS SUBJECT TO THIS NOTAM ARE REVOKED. Zero One fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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That "for the benefit of" clause there is a nice loophole avoidance mechanism.
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quote:REGARDLESS OF THE STATE Given the number of airmen there’s gotta be at least one Russian-US dual citizen or US green card holder working as an airline pilot in the US that is kinda pissed right now.
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hobbesmaster posted:Given the number of air missions there’s gotta be at least one Russian-US dual citizen or US green card holder working as an airline pilot in the US that is kinda pissed right now. FTFY 
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Yeah I guess you can’t work as a dispatcher or ATC either?
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Russian Airwar updat: Putin is releasing the biplanes. The Russian AF is astonishingly hosed, it is possible that only about 1/3rd of their numbers are operational. Also, Volga-Dneiper is having its Russian aircraft drafted?
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Bold move to go with a model of plane known to have lost a dogfight to a helicopter and a man with an AK.
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The point is to lose though. quote:There are indications the “Colts” may have been converted to drones for use as decoys to trigger an air defense response from #Ukraine that would identify their location
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It depends on how sophisticated these drones are. If all they can do is draw fire, how hard can it be for Ukrainians to practice discipline and hold fire: Now, if they’re a threat on their own, as reconnaissance or weapons platforms, then the Ukrainians are in a tougher spot.
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Assuming the Ukrainians can tell the difference from a biplane and a Hind not sure how effective this will be.
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slidebite posted:Assuming the Ukrainians can tell the difference from a biplane and a Hind not sure how effective this will be. The AN-2 probably has the lower stall speed
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shame on an IGA posted:The AN-2 probably has the lower stall speed AN-2 can only stall if its wings fall off.
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:AN-2 can only stall if its wings fall off. an-2 cannot stall it can only be stalled probably not even that
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:an-2 cannot stall it can only be stalled A severely uncoordinated slow steep turn might do it?
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You don’t land an AN-2, you have somebody catch it.
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Eheen Sohiveet Russia, AN-2 stalls you!
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Hey, at least they're easy to fly!
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Platystemon posted:It depends on how sophisticated these drones are. It might be difficult to tell them apart from fairly unsophisticated air defense radars. Although the AN-2 is way slower than a Hind, so that should help rule it out. However, with these resources snooping in on things: https://twitter.com/GDarkconrad/status/1499294216937160704 It should be a piece of cake for them to see the difference in Hind operations vs drone operations and let the Ukrainians know what's coming where and when. Perhaps they'll use them intermixed or whatever, which means the Hinds will have to go slower and be easier to hit with heatseekers within visual range where it's obviously easy to tell them apart. Probably hard to even get an IR lock on an AN-2.
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