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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Leading up to the war a ton of the coverage was literally parroting Azov propaganda events, and a bunch of foreign Ukraine related activism is tied with these groups and if people want to pretend that won’t be a problem in the future just lol. The only thing that comes close to what you describe that I can think of is a single insufficiently inquisitive Western news crew covering an Azov training. Probably because they were desperately looking for a story and Nazis actively conceal their nature to pull in the credulous. But in no way does that reflect "tons of coverage parroting Azov propaganda" and none of the activism or donations raised on these forums are for the Nazis (unless CSPAM's set up a pro-Russia drive, idk). Meanwhile, Russia is actively razing cities and murdering civilians for its fascist imperialist aggrandizement. That you keep circling back on this red herring raises questions about your priorities! Which is worse, a sliver of a donation changing hands a few times and maybe ending up with assholes in the chaos of war? Or a deliberate and unprovoked invasion intended to install a fascist puppet to end Ukraine's sovereignty and carry out bloody purges against democratic activists and the LGBTQ community?
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A few people did donate to UCCA, before it was pointed out that they're far-right shitheads. That's about it, I think.
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A.o.D. posted:Putin won't stop at Ukraine if he's not stopped. This needs to be understood. If his nuclear threat is successful in getting him what he wants he will advance his brinksmanship. Putin won't live long enough to amass enough military, political and economic capital for another adventure like this. Even if the rumors about him being sick are wrong. Well, I'm going to qualify this that Moldova and Georgia are much softer targets than Ukraine; so if they're what you're thinking of, then mabe yes, but that's the extent of his worst case options. The question is what kind of example the Ukrainian War will set for his inevitable successor. I'm pretty sure Putin is doing this because he knows his time is limited, but an successor might calm the waves enough that Russia can consolidate the gains Putin has made.
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If they want to ban oligarchs from buying up US houses, whether they be Russian or whoever, that would be welcome and unlikely to ding common folk in Russia.
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A.o.D. posted:Putin won't stop at Ukraine if he's not stopped. This needs to be understood. If his nuclear threat is successful in getting him what he wants he will advance his brinksmanship. From what I've been seeing out of Poland and from Polish goons, this is exactly why Poland has been so aggressively enthusiastic about supporting Ukraine: a probably justified fear that if Putin takes Ukraine, Poland isn't much lower on the target list.
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Oh for sure, I imagine that the governments of all countries that share land borders with Russia, except maybe China, are currently asking themselves who's next on the hit list if the Russian steamroller isn't halted in Ukraine.
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Well, this is sobering: https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1499019151586832384 I am also seeing claims that Ukraine has taken back Chernobyl, but nothing confirming it yet.
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Hekk posted:There are lines NATO haven’t crossed yet. If for example, NATO piloted aircraft started flying sorties within Ukraine, it’d certainly be an escalation that I have no idea how Russia would respond to. They are running out of non nuclear responses though. There's always crippling each others' countries via cyber attacks on critical infrastructure. Which would, eventually, escalate to nuclear attacks! It's genius!
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First in 7 days of war Ukrainian units go on offensive advancing to Horlivka – ArestovychInterfax-Ukraine posted:For the first time in seven days of the war, Ukrainian units went on the offensive, advancing towards Horlivka, Oleksiy Arestovych, adviser to the head of the President's Office, has said. e: context, Horlivka is NNE of Donetsk Naked Bear fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/Der_Parrot/status/1498801174895599617?s=20&t=6nanpS9wRLKWV-elAy6GwQ I am obviously not immune to propaganda because this loving killed me
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ASAPI posted:Well, this is sobering:  I wonder if some of them were at least captured. Assuming a lot of these reports of a complete lack of preparation are true (unencrypted comms, civilian radios, no food, no plan, no idea they were actually going to war), I'm actually starting to feel a good deal of sympathy for the Russians sent to die for a madman. This is basically Gallipoli.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/Der_Parrot/status/1498801174895599617?s=20&t=6nanpS9wRLKWV-elAy6GwQ 
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psydude posted:
Yeah, the Russian people are in a poo poo position, because they are getting slaughtered in war and starved at home because of this war. It has to happen, unfortunately, but it sucks
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The Russians are now actually admitting to having 500 casualties and over 1600 wounded. You’ll have to hit the Translate tweet. https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1499062893635067907?s=21 So you know it has to be something loving ridiculous in reality.
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It is from 2015, but feels appropriate to bring it back
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A Festivus Miracle posted:I'd say send them some EuroFighters but I doubt that would ever happen in any world.
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Giving Ukraine modern planes and sheep dipping nato pilots into their air force would be a time honored tradition. Those aren't our warships, those are privateers. That isn't our land army, that is a mercenary unit that happens to be staffed by our military. In ww1 german uboats were flying the austrian-hungarian flag and sinking shipping before germany entered the war.
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CommieGIR posted:It is from 2015, but feels appropriate to bring it back It also includes the Azov flag, so...
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PookBear posted:Giving Ukraine modern planes and sheep dipping nato pilots into their air force would be a time honored tradition. Those aren't our warships, those are privateers. That isn't our land army, that is a mercenary unit that happens to be staffed by our military. Also let’s not forget the Soviets during the Korean War and many other wars.
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I agree on the “painting roundels” and “flying flags” part—time honored tradition by the Soviets during the Cold War, it’ll be interesting to see who signs up though I wonder if Russia operating T-80s is a major factor killing their fuel supply chains, granted there are plenty of other reasons for it to be terrible at the moment
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Suicide Watch posted:I agree on the “painting roundels” and “flying flags” part—time honored tradition by the Soviets during the Cold War, it’ll be interesting to see who signs up though Find a fighter pilot that wouldn't want to get a confirmed kill on a mig.
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NATO is not going to intervene and NATO aligned troops and pilots are not going to wink wink, nudge nudge their way into Ukraine
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Proud Christian Mom posted:NATO is not going to intervene and NATO aligned troops and pilots are not going to wink wink, nudge nudge their way into Ukraine There are what, 28 countries in NATO? Why do you think you can make such a definitive judgement about this? I would imagine there are troops in Poland and the Baltics that would be ready to go
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Have we moved on to unironically hoping for SS-18 to cleanse the earth? Edit: though maybe in Putin's mind there's still a difference between a NATO boot in Ukraine and one in mother Russia. If only Ukraine had some vassal states to bring into the fight. stealie72 fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Grip it and rip it posted:There are what, 28 countries in NATO? Why do you think you can make such a definitive judgement about this? I would imagine there are troops in Poland and the Baltics that would be ready to go What makes you imagine that Poland and any of the Baltic states are in a mood to see their whole country die in a horrible ball of fire? The fact that their biggest enemy is currently bleeding himself to death? The fact that their neighbor is currently ripping the Russian army to shreds? The fact that Putin is desperate and thus even more likely to go all out world-ending on them if they so much as sneeze on the Russian border? Even if there were troops ready to go. Are we talking mentally ready to hop over to Ukraine and lend a hand? Or does "ready to go" mean the Polish army is drafting plans to conduct no poo poo logistic operations in support of entire army units moving across the border into Ukraine?
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SerthVarnee posted:What makes you imagine that Poland and any of the Baltic states are in a mood to see their whole country die in a horrible ball of fire? Sorry should have been more clear - I meant covertly providing experts and material
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Grip it and rip it posted:There are what, 28 countries in NATO? Why do you think you can make such a definitive judgement about this? I would imagine there are troops in Poland and the Baltics that would be ready to go Russia is digging their own diplomatic/economic grave right now, do you think anybody wants to interrupt them while risking nuclear armageddon? High risk, low reward - no thanks. edit: They are definitely sending equipment, sending personnel is more tricky because of the problems it would cause when some of them inevitably get captured. Captured equipment gets written off, captured people become hostages. bees everywhere fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t4xnn9/a_small_russian_unit_that_fully_surrendered_to/ Obviously to be taken with a bunch of salt, but this appears to be a unit of conscripts from Eastern Ukraine who were thrust into the war without a clue.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:The Russians are now actually admitting to having 500 casualties and over 1600 wounded. You’ll have to hit the Translate tweet. good thing they have that mobile crematorium
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bees everywhere posted:Russia is digging their own diplomatic/economic grave right now, do you think anybody wants to interrupt them while risking nuclear armageddon? High risk, low reward - no thanks. Yeah I suppose youre right - Ive just been kind if surprised with the open level of support that has already been provided to Ukraine. I guess if they're already openly sending planes and munitions there is no reason to have a parallel covert process to do the same thing.
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Nuclear Tourist posted:Ukrainian SOF do not appear to be very happy with the Russians for demolishing apartment blocks with MLRS barrages. Waiting for the public “just kidding” when a Ukrainian military lawyer gets a hold of command.
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Arrath posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t4xnn9/a_small_russian_unit_that_fully_surrendered_to/
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Nuclear Tourist posted:Ukrainian SOF do not appear to be very happy with the Russians for demolishing apartment blocks with MLRS barrages. promising warcrimes on facebook is not a good optic, even against assholes....
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hobbesmaster posted:Waiting for the public “just kidding” when a Ukrainian military lawyer gets a hold of command. I don't know if they'll have many more Ukrainian military lawyers in a few weeks..unless they scare the unwilling Russian soldiers into surrendering
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stackofflapjacks posted:I don't know if they'll have many more Ukrainian military lawyers in a few weeks..unless they scare the unwilling Russian soldiers into surrendering From what I'm reading every male lawyer in the Ukraine has joined up, so . . .
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Nuclear Tourist posted:Ukrainian SOF do not appear to be very happy with the Russians for demolishing apartment blocks with MLRS barrages. Being a Russian artilleryman in Ukraine is going to be like being a German machine gunner on the Western Front in WWI.
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Georgia taking preemptive steps. https://twitter.com/shpapuashvili/status/1499053439283875846 Russia's cats are now subject to international sanction. https://twitter.com/CGTNEurope/status/1499018156597198854
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Cythereal posted:Georgia taking preemptive steps. Ok, sanctions have gone too far
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