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mabels big day posted:This show loves to reveal another side or aspect of a character/conflict, so I wonder if there is more to the story to the betrayal of the Houma kingdom than meets the eye. The villagers were pretty flatly portrayed as lovely people with a very one-dimensional justification for it, but this story was told through Bosse's eyes, so there might be more reason for them to side with the Gods It's possible, but Bosse's characterization of them fit perfectly with the glimpse of them we got in the shadow realm.
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LostRook posted:It's possible, but Bosse's characterization of them fit perfectly with the glimpse of them we got in the shadow realm. The shadow realm seems to be linked to Bosse's memories and knowledge
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Desperate Character posted:with this latest episode I wonder if the whole ranking of kings was set up by the god race either for their amusement or to bolster their forces. Most of the gods were portrayed with crowns on their heads and it could be whatever that item given to the king that ranks first may be full of god energy or something, which eventually drives them mad Yeah I was wondering if Desha and Despa's father, who is stated to have become a despotic god, was actually a #1 ranked king and became afflicted with the same madness as the forest king. In addition to crowns a lot of the gods also have masks similar to what the Miranjo in Bosse's memory is wearing, which seems important.
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I just realized that the next arc is probably going to be Bojji heading off on a journey to Attack and Dethrone God(s), and I'm loving all on board for it.
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mabels big day posted:This show loves to reveal another side or aspect of a character/conflict, so I wonder if there is more to the story to the betrayal of the Houma kingdom than meets the eye. The villagers were pretty flatly portrayed as lovely people with a very one-dimensional justification for it, but this story was told through Bosse's eyes, so there might be more reason for them to side with the Gods I'm not so sure. Not to excuse dirtbag kingdom, but Bosse did make it pretty clear that magic kingdom in general, and Miranjo's mom in particular, weren't being very shrewd in their diplomacy. Fleecing an ally for all they're worth and then hanging them out to dry makes you scum on an individual basis, but politically that poo poo happens all the time. And I think that, as foundational as the power of love and friendship are in this story, it's not one where sunshine and rainbows alone are enough to win the day. If they were, Bohji wouldn't have needed to learn to land critical hits with 100% consistency. OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Feb 22, 2022 |
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dogsicle posted:https://twitter.com/eldlart/status/1492674722697551879?t=sKeEdeE90HzqPNzF5P-c2A&s=19 Gamer Mom Energy
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Good episode, some great action sequences too. Going to kill me waiting for the next ep
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Good episode, some great action sequences too. Going to kill me waiting for the next ep Bebin coming in and cutting Ouken in half was loving rad This episode flew by, waiting for next thursday is going to suck. Also I cannot believe the rate of child murder/violence in this show, it's really something. YouSpoonyBard fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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Every week, my sister says "Now we gotta wait another week." And every week, I say "poo poo."
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I forgive the dip in quality at the beginning of the cour. Holy poo poo, this episode.  Also, Sheena just cold staring down Miranjo from across the river was loving perfect.
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So another detail I just picked up on re: the villagers that maimed Miranjo they appear in the child's mindscape/void where Daida is alongside her because their bodies were literally used to heal her.
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This episode seems to not so subtly suggest that as suspected, the Ranking of Kings was set up by the Gods as a control mechanism. What else could the three-eyed god be referring to, when he was talking about moving to another method of control as the age of the gods ends?
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just four big guys being dudes, i love it
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I genuinely have no idea how they get out of this situation, unless whatever other method of healing they mentioned shows up, or Bosse finally gets over himself and saves them
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https://twitter.com/mii_anappleac/status/1497428092960141313
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Someone started translating the more recent chapters that picked up after last weeks episode and has been posting them in a playlist on Youtube
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theCalamity posted:a playlist on Youtube Is this some kind of "when all you have is a hammer..." thing? 
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So bosse only has Miranjo’s word on what happened? loving nobody looks pleased in the reunion after kage’s.mabels big day posted:I genuinely have no idea how they get out of this situation, unless whatever other method of healing they mentioned shows up, or Bosse finally gets over himself and saves them whoever the person that can still save em is someone all four large gentlemen know and agree on so prolly bosse for sure kater fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Feb 27, 2022 |
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Feb 27, 2022 13:39
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Well, there may be an explanation for why this part of the story feels so out of place and one-sided. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...f-kings/.182948 I've assumed this aspect would/will be complicated in some fashion but lol, lmao if true
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I read that the other day and still have extreme doubts about the sincerity of the reading. This entire story has been about the good side of people so I can't fathom that the author would buck his main theme in such a major way. Dude has been bending over backwards for it. I have full expectations that it's not as simple as GYAKUZA BAD. We have been given our first glance of that story and thus far, our first glance has always been inaccurate.
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I will simply hope that you're right (I agree it would be a major deviation from the main themes/execution so far) and that I will not have to post lol, lmao in the future
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as someone in a mostly hate relationship with the series' tendency to skip on explaining things so it can (at this point transparently) surprise you later, it feels like chickens coming home to roost. at least this tangent gave us God lore and Bosse getting even more wrinkles of awfulness to his character.
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drat imagine people influenced by external factors choosing the option that benefits them or the people they serve the most regardless of how noble or not their actions are. Oh thats the entire crux of this series, almost every character has had to confront this at one point or the other and they are atoning for it. Any reading that is "drat this people are horrible and deserved to die" is completely out of whack with what the story has been saying. Bosse cut them short before they could get to that point, and only realized how hosed up he was when he was doing the same thing when Boji was born. Bosse is STILL trying to atone, clumsily, but he's trying. Miranjo is hosed up, she has only started to scratch at it and hasn't realized it yet. Their self destructive co-dependent relationship reminds me of Mikazuki and Orga from Gundam IBO.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:drat imagine people influenced by external factors choosing the option that benefits them or the people they serve the most regardless of how noble or not their actions are. Oh thats the entire crux of this series, almost every character has had to confront this at one point or the other and they are atoning for it. Any reading that is "drat this people are horrible and deserved to die" is completely out of whack with what the story has been saying. Bosse cut them short before they could get to that point, and only realized how hosed up he was when he was doing the same thing when Boji was born. See the problem here is that the show clearly wants us to sympathise with them by making them out to be an impoverished underclass simply doing their best to get along, but their actual actions are those of a bunch of two-dimensionally awful baby eaters who torture and maim a child for literally no reason. You can't have a character gleefully stomp on a puppy's head for shits and giggles and then just turn around and go "he's just doing his best to survive :/" and act as though you're making any sort of meaningful statement on human nature. That is at best a comically fumbled attempt at portraying any sort of moral nuance. That being said, I don't really think this is a huge departure from what the show has been trying to do all this time. The show certainly tries to portray all of its characters as having nuance and layers and never being just two-dimensional villains, but there are still times where the show's attempts to garner sympathy for certain characters has fallen somewhat flat. I think the show was clearly trying to portray them as simply being hardened from their life experiences, it's just its attempts at portraying that went comically overboard. That being said, if you're inclined to put stock in the potential real-life parallels (which I'm not sure on what to make of, but also don't wanna just dismiss out of hand)... then boy does this not look good even from that lens.
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I can't think of a single named character so far that hasnt been able to garner at least an ounce of sympathy from me
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Cao Ni Ma posted:drat imagine people influenced by external factors choosing the option that benefits them or the people they serve the most regardless of how noble or not their actions are. Oh thats the entire crux of this series, almost every character has had to confront this at one point or the other and they are atoning for it. Any reading that is "drat this people are horrible and deserved to die" is completely out of whack with what the story has been saying. Bosse cut them short before they could get to that point, and only realized how hosed up he was when he was doing the same thing when Boji was born. Kinda falls apart when you remember they tortured and mutilated a child, then gloated about it. A bit hard to have a redemption arc that starts at gleeful child torture/mutilation. Kung Food fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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I mean, Daida personally beat Bojji so severely that he would never be able to hold a sword again (and that was when someone finally stopped him), then ordered him to be killed. Desha allowed the torture of a child and personally slit its throat. Kage's mom outright told him she murdered women, children and the elderly, no big. Miranjo orchestrated two child sacrifices, and killed at least one innocent woman in front of her son. Domas allowed Bojji to be beaten half to death and then tried to kill him in order to recover his standing. This show is kinda severe.
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Das Boo posted:I mean, Daida personally beat Bojji so severely that he would never be able to hold a sword again (and that was when someone finally stopped him), then ordered him to be killed. Desha allowed the torture of a child and personally slit its throat. Kage's mom outright told him she murdered women, children and the elderly, no big. Miranjo orchestrated two child sacrifices, and killed at least one innocent woman in front of her son. Domas allowed Bojji to be beaten half to death and then tried to kill him in order to recover his standing. Those are all the least likeable characters though? Miranjo, Daida and Domas* at least remain the most unredeemed. Miranjo in particular is pretty unforgivable. Diada going full fascist the moment he takes over is handwaved because he got possessed. We know nothing about Kage's mom, but she seemed like a baddie as well. Being a mom who loved her kid certainly doesn't excuse child murder. *Yes even after the suicide attempt.
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Its a shame that a good chunk of the flashback is scenes that Bosse isn't present for, because the obvious reading of that story is that Bosse is a biased narrator. This doesn't really mitigate what they did to Miranjo, but the weird reading of Houma/Gyakuza makes a lot more sense if its Bosse's version of history, and not just what happened.
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Kung Food posted:A bit hard to have a redemption arc that starts at gleeful child torture/mutilation. This show may have like half a dozen or more redemption arcs that start at child torture/mutilation. Like half the cast has done some really hosed up poo poo. .
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The idea that it's an allusion to Korea seems kind of weird to me when it was framed as a strategic alliance with an ultimate goal of fighting the gods in mind I'm not a history professor, but I'm pretty sure Japan was doing typical imperialist power projection/"protecting our foreign interests" in Asia in the early 1900s Unless you wanna say that the European imperial powers are represented by the gods, because if so, also lol
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Unless the author is an outspoken nationalist or something I don't particularly think it's worth putting much stock into tbh.
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according to some stuff floating around, it came from one of the webcomic pages having it's comment section locked when some jp readers made the connection Idk if that has any truth to it cuz I don't know where the comic is even hosted Hace fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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comments were locked yes, but i would also just do that instead of letting people fight it out underneath the manga chapter
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I for one cannot possibly believe that a comments section on the internet would devolve into a pointless political argument.
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Has no one talk about the most tragic aspect of the last episode? RIP Desha's retirement fund.
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It seems to me that the whole point of the Gyakuza/Houma story is to grind into your face (in case you aren't getting it t yet) that everyone (Daida, Bosse, Despa, etc) justification of the horrible things they're doing as somehow necessary is transparent self-serving bullshit. Built out to a societal level to make it really obvious.Kung Food posted:. Diada going full fascist the moment he takes over is handwaved because he got possessed. Daida wasn't possessed when he did any of that though? He was just following magic mirror advice. Standard prince stuff. He didn't go full fascist either, basically all his moves were completely bog standard winner of a disputed succession in a monarchy type moves.
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