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No this is actually real, rumour I heard is that the processes are in place to bring Sweden and Finland in within 24 hours if necessary. Their militaries are NATO certified, they do joint exercises, they literally already have seats and offices in NATO. I do think that betting on everything going smoothly in a crisis is a bad risk, and that wasting precious weeks having a debate on NATO membership as Russian troops mobilise on your border is a bad idea. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Ola posted:For the better in every way IMO. That football tournament is still many months away. It's not like they're punished by being left stranded without food and shelter. Airplane travel and credit card payment is practically impossible and there's the possibility of repercussions directed towards the kids or their caretakers like the Russian cross-country skier's van which got sprayed with graffiti. It would have sucked for them to travel here, staying at home without travelling to a big international football tournament is just normal life. There is also a thruline of high up political leaders sending their children abroad and letting them live a life of privilege while those are the same people who lead this war. Famously one of Putins daughters lived in the Netherlands. Now is it lovely? Sure, I can see it in the abstract. But so is dying because your school was bombed.
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KitConstantine posted:Notice you left out the first part of the statement which is where the guy explains to a child that he knows because "Russian missiles have different smoke trails". Maybe different kinds of missiles have different smoke trails, I'm not an expert, but divorcing the moment of its context is what the Russians are doing here, and it's also what you are doing That's fair. I was just responding to the language the guy used it the tweet. thanks for clarifying. because as a russian speaker actually watching that poo poo is an act of self harm.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There's some reason to think this is accurate: That thread claims it's the only bridge in the area. If so, wasn't it destroyed a week ago? https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1497100868537270300
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KitConstantine posted:Tagging what could be video of people being killed during a war, no matter how far away they are, as merely It doesn't feel like it's wrong or anything, but in a thread that someone might have reason to post graphic imagery in a link having a tag mean either "this is a video of an attack with a shot of a child with their eyes hanging out" or "this is a video of a building burning from miles away, so you know people died" is a little rough. In my mind it's not a ranking of importance, it's more a rank of immediate distress the link will cause. Like a picture of a profoundly gruesome wound someone totally survived and will recover from would be not mind safe, more than a text news story reporting 500 people have died in a fire. (unless there is photos of people burned, then it would be again)
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FishBulbia posted:That's fair. I was just responding to the language the guy used it the tweet. thanks for clarifying. because as a russian speaker actually watching that poo poo is an act of self harm. Fair enough. I do recommend the livetweet thread and the reaction thread I posted. There's no videos in either, just quotes and editorializing.
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mrfart posted:A weapons expert yesterday on BBC explained that the Ukrainian air force lacks the proper equipment to attack these large columns of vehicles. The Su-24 is definitely a ground attack aircraft, but it could very well be lacking in equipment or training to conduct such attacks up to a modern standard. More likely it's dropping dumb bombs with radar computed bomb aiming, which is 70s, 80s tech. I'm not sure how well equipped the Ukrainian Su-24s are, but it should be capable of hitting vehicle concentrations pretty well, if not with the pinpoint tankbusting of a Javelin or an airborne laser-/TV-guided missile like the Su-24 could carry in the best case.
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Dante posted:Given the apparent efficiency of Bayraktar TB2's, is there anything stopping countries from supplying Ukraine with more? Like are they costum-made with long lead times etc? I believe the limiter is mostly Turkish high-tech industrial capacity.
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Dante posted:Given the apparent efficiency of Bayraktar TB2's, is there anything stopping countries from supplying Ukraine with more? Like are they costum-made with long lead times etc? There were reports of Turkey sending more No doubt they are salivating at the boost to worldwide sales (yuk)
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fatherboxx posted:There were reports of Turkey sending more Goes well with Turkish currency inflation being crazy at the moment.
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Looks like perhaps tales of mass surrender/desertion may not have been overstated. Video taken by what looks to be Russian soldiers themselves - I've linked from a short translation. https://twitter.com/mumSELondon/status/1499361269484302336?t=6FbDwhFXD47lu3GVCbGxsw&s=19 I've seen this video posted on other trustworthy accounts with similar translations Edit: and another video - unsure if it's the same group of soldiers or not. Warning: dead bodies shown in the replies https://twitter.com/LostWeapons/status/1499290702554927104?t=fX9PF6DsHM1wGFdS5FAcdQ&s=19 KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Saladman posted:It is not the same now. They banned the actual athletes, which is supremely hosed up IMHO. Like it's pretty shameful to ban a bunch of paralympian athletes from competing because you they received a piece of paper when they were born from a country that just did something horrific. It's not hosed up. Sports has been a huge part of Putin's propaganda machine, and saying that Russia is not officially competing at the Olympics, while wearing white, blue and red uniforms with a gleaming Putin next to them when they get medals, is the least effective sanction ever imagined by mankind. Kicking Russians out of all international sports is something that their propaganda machine CAN'T hide. They can cut off all international news, social media etc. to hide the world's disgust, but they can't engineer a fake Europa League to compete in.
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gay picnic defence posted:Guess we'll find out how well Javelins work on landing craft. About a year ago their navy started fielding a new domestically produced anti-ship missile. In what numbers and whether they have survived is not known. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune_(cruise_missile)
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Tamba posted:
"Geolocating" makes it sound eerily advanced and automated but it could be as simple as the guy actually saying the location, or his previous posts or other context containing enough hints ("back in my childhood school, for different reasons this time" or similar), so that Russians trawling for info by hand could connect the dots. Obviously a massive opsec fuckup by the guy and something no soldier should be doing.
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https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1499352556300079109?t=tfPt_FRnEEr1MK-7xOE7Ow&s=19 Russian soldier filming their situation. People have been abandoned for 3 days, sleeping on the floor, no reliable food or water. Higher ups are coercing them to sign backdated resignation papers to cover their asses before they take them back home. Soldiers don't want to sign the papers. Guy is walking around and asks people to confirm what he is saying and everyone agrees. One soldier confirms that they've been told they were going on an exercise, sarcastically adds that he has learned so much
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Here is an interesting one - allegedly , these are Russian soldiers in preparation for deployment, very distressed at their conditions and being forced to sign documents. Not sure if real, hard to find any signs that these are russians (you've seen the uniforms of both sides for the last week) aside from a very southern accent of the guy speaking. Maybe osint guys would verify or debunk https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1499352556300079109?t=c5T1Wt5Z0UAp3tcqBBOMLw&s=19 fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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FishBulbia posted:I will never understand the russian usage of the word flashmob, it seems to refer to anything unexpected. Flashmob? Nooo! This is a fleshmob.
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TheRat posted:That thread claims it's the only bridge in the area. If so, wasn't it destroyed a week ago? https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1497100868537270300 That doesn't look like the same bridge. The photo shows on the far side it is all trees and on the near side it forks with some sort of monument. The destroyed bridge shows a straight road heading into a built up area so it doesn't look like it could be a shot of this bridge from either direction.
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Can't really tell if these 2 picture are of the same location. The hole in the wall clearly isn't the sports hall of a school that these soldiers seemed to be in in the first picture.
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KitConstantine posted:Looks like perhaps tales of mass surrender/desertion may not have been overstated. Eh...I definitely wouldn't walk them back across the border. They'll either be harshly punished for desertion in time of war, or just forced back into the fight again.
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TheRat posted:That thread claims it's the only bridge in the area. If so, wasn't it destroyed a week ago? https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1497100868537270300 REading the thread it sounds like it was rebuilt in at least some sort of jury-rigged fashion. Allegedly.
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KitConstantine posted:Looks like perhaps tales of mass surrender/desertion may not have been overstated. From what I understood, they were being asked to sign some back-dated documents before they would be transported back to Russia. Supposedly to cover the asses of higher-ups. Been held up for 3-4 days without food.
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Chalks posted:That doesn't look like the same bridge. The photo shows on the far side it is all trees and on the near side it forks with some sort of monument. The destroyed bridge shows a straight road heading into a built up area so it doesn't look like it could be a shot of this bridge from either direction. I only mentioned it because the original thread said it was the only bridge towards Kyiv in the area. The tweet I linked also says 'the bridge' rather than 'a bridge' but that doesn't have to mean anything I suppose.
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jaete posted:Finnish newspaper reports (in Finnish) that Finland's president will travel to US and meet Pres Biden on Friday (i.e. tomorrow) Another source here btw (also in Finnish) Not much details given.
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Why wouldn’t they sign back dated documents if it meant going home? I’m just not sure what the implication is.
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lilljonas posted:It's not hosed up. Sports has been a huge part of Putin's propaganda machine, and saying that Russia is not officially competing at the Olympics, while wearing white, blue and red uniforms with a gleaming Putin next to them when they get medals, is the least effective sanction ever imagined by mankind. Oh yeah this. Sport in particular, but anything that gets prestige for a Russian flag on the world stage is a big deal for the regime. There's a reason they went to all the trouble of having a massive state organised doping programme.
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KitConstantine posted:Looks like perhaps tales of mass surrender/desertion may not have been overstated. Throw so many POWs at the Ukrainian forces that their logistics fail from all the extra supplies needed to care for them!
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TheRat posted:Yeah, banning paralympics athletes who have no involvement with the army or the politics seems a bit hosed up. Norway banned russian and belarusian kids from participating in a summer fotoball tournament (norway cup) which also seems really hosed up. It seems like every organisation is feeling pressure to ~do something~ even if that something doesn't really make a lot of sense.  source
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jaete posted:Finnish newspaper reports (in Finnish) that Finland's president will travel to US and meet Pres Biden on Friday (i.e. tomorrow) poo poo, is he fleeing??? The rumours were right!!! 
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TheRat posted:I only mentioned it because the original thread said it was the only bridge towards Kyiv in the area. The tweet I linked also says 'the bridge' rather than 'a bridge' but that doesn't have to mean anything I suppose. I'm not 100% on Ukrainian but I guess it's worth noting that Russian does not have definite articles and doesn't really distinguish (except by context of the sentence as a whole) between a/the.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why wouldn’t they sign back dated documents if it meant going home? I’m just not sure what the implication is. Again my understanding only - technically in Russia there are rules about what conscripts can do vs "professional soldiers" and there's a time in service minimum to fall in the second category. I'm guessing some of these guys signed docs that said they had been serving longer than they actually had so they would fall into category 2 Edit: eh I'm not confident enough in this to leave it fully up. Maybe we'll get a better translations somewhere KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why wouldn’t they sign back dated documents if it meant going home? I’m just not sure what the implication is. Beats me. That's just what I got from the video. But my Russian is only so-so
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why wouldn’t they sign back dated documents if it meant going home? I’m just not sure what the implication is. I think the implication is that they don’t trust their commanders not to gently caress them over so they don’t trust that the documents won’t get them shot or imprisoned for abandonment.
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TheRat posted:That thread claims it's the only bridge in the area. If so, wasn't it destroyed a week ago? https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1497100868537270300 Clearly different, one is over a railroad crossing the other over a river.
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