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"Saddam is bad because gassed children, leaving less for me to fiddle." - Rod 'Actual Nonce' Liddle "The biggest problem with Saddam is that he hasn't murdered anywhere near enough Catholics." - Julie Burchill
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Mar 3, 2022 17:43
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"Actually it was good when our parents protested the govt and endorsed communist leader Ho Chi Minh" is a take I wasn't expecting from someone who is in favour of invading Iraq, to be honest.
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Mar 3, 2022 17:48
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I can recall a few spicy pro-Saddam takes from the time along the lines of "yes he's a tyrant but the Arab needs a strongman to stop them descending into barbarism" so I imagine all these journalists are just responding to things written by other journalists rather than engaging with the actual population.
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Mar 3, 2022 17:52
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Saddam was a piece of poo poo to the kurds but honestly there's a reason no one gives a poo poo when Turkey does exactly the same thing, and Iraq is demonstrably worse now then when he was in charge. Libya is the one that really gets me though. I don't know nearly enough about Gaddafi to say whether he was the rear end in a top hat torture-king the western media portray him as, and I know he went a bit weird when he started going down the Arab Jamahiriya route with the conservative religious values that implied, but whenever I read about it it just looks like he made Libya a genuinely pretty decent place to live during his time, even if the socialist bits were pretty heavily tinged by the crescent moon. Certainly beats slave markets. e: Yes, of course Lockerbie was bad.
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Mar 3, 2022 18:02
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Imagine "No, don't kill a million Iraqis" being decried as not having a positive agenda, simply because it has the word No in it. I guess we just had to embrace positivity and kill all those people.
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Mar 3, 2022 18:05
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ThomasPaine posted:e: Yes, of course Lockerbie was bad. I've heard that take go from a fringe wingnut conspiracy theory to a "well of course everyone knows that now but they didn't in the 90s" matter suspiciously quickly after Qadhdhafi's death.
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Mar 3, 2022 18:09
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Lockerbie was the CIA 
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this reminds me of a college prof being really mad at the protests against the wars, decrying, "why can't it be a protest for peace?!!!?!?!?!??!"
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Mar 3, 2022 18:14
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Guavanaut posted:Wasn't Lockerbie also mostly Iran and Syria, but Libyan centrality of involvement was hyped up for political purposes, or is it some kind of rotating atrocity where the central planners are always whoever we currently don't like? We'll never know, because there's so many overlapping layers of bullshit. About the only thing we can say for absolute certain is the only person in the world definitely not involved was the bloke who they put in prison in Scotland for it, offered up as a scapegoat by Gadaffi in the attempt to normalise relations with the West which ended up *so* well for him (and definitely wasn't the reason why Asad and the rest abandoned any attempt at such normalisation).
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Mar 3, 2022 18:14
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Speaking of which, what's happening with Afghanistan? I.S. just rolled the gently caress in, the West shook its fist at them with a stern look on its face, then the entire media just moved on and never looked back.
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Mar 3, 2022 18:26
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Speaking of which, what's happening with Afghanistan? I.S. just rolled the gently caress in, the West shook its fist at them with a stern look on its face, then the entire media just moved on and never looked back. You mean the taliban? It's worse than when they were last in power, by all accounts.
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Mar 3, 2022 18:30
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jiggerypokery posted:You mean the taliban? they're just using their trademark tried-and-true approach to any conflict (losing badly)
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Mar 3, 2022 18:33
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Maybe once Russia have finished rebuilding the Warsaw pact they can have another crack at Afghanistan, we can send the tribal warlords more RPGs and the circle will be complete.
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Mar 3, 2022 18:35
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Borrovan posted:I suspect OP does mean that, but Daesh have, in fact, rolled in Specifically some Chechen members want a go at Kadyrov's troops for what happened to them, which is understandable in isolation but nobody wants ISIS there.
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Mar 3, 2022 18:37
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Guavanaut posted:I can recall a few spicy pro-Saddam takes from the time along the lines of "yes he's a tyrant but the Arab needs a strongman to stop them descending into barbarism" so I imagine all these journalists are just responding to things written by other journalists rather than engaging with the actual population. I heard a lot of Egyptians saying that about themselves after the revolution as to why Mubarak / army / CC should be in charge. There's definitely a "we are bad people who need a strong man to control us to stop us being very bad" vibe there. I don't know where this notion comes from.
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Mar 3, 2022 18:42
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One of my top ten most cancellable opinions is that the USSR never invaded Afghanistan
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Mar 3, 2022 18:45
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OMG the appalling Gavin Williamson has just been knighted! Just shows how bad our so-called "honours" system is. :shock: :probe: :riddle:
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Mar 3, 2022 18:47
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I heard a lot of Egyptians saying that about themselves after the revolution as to why Mubarak / army / CC should be in charge. There's definitely a "we are bad people who need a strong man to control us to stop us being very bad" vibe there. I don't know where this notion comes from. It's the basic fascist urge - it's not that I, personally, need a strong government in nice clean uniforms to repress *me*, but something has to be done about those disrespectful youths and their haircuts, which are definitely the reason why I'm not as happy as I was 10 years ago.
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Mar 3, 2022 18:48
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It's the basic fascist urge - it's not that I, personally, need a strong government in nice clean uniforms to repress *me*, but something has to be done about those disrespectful youths and their haircuts, which are definitely the reason why I'm not as happy as I was 10 years ago. I'm sorry to say many include themselves too not just others! I find it quite disturbing. I could understand it if it was just others (not that 'others' need the control, but the opinion is one found in gammon around the world).
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Mar 3, 2022 18:50
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Borrovan posted:I suspect OP does mean that, but Daesh have, in fact, rolled in As an aside, i never really saw the point of just calling them "islamic state" in Arabic. I thought they were fighting the Taliban for the last 10 years despite being all but defeated by the US
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Mar 3, 2022 18:56
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Richard Seymour wrote a book called The Liberal Defence of Murder which covers the way the liberals and parts of the left embraced interventions as anti-imperialist adventures. Would it shock any of you that the rhetoric and arguments that the liberals in that book deploy are entirely identical the ones you see today. edit; also, Johann Hari? lmao, what a name to remember. Even at the time he was widely seen as a bullshitter, it was pretty funny when he was properly found out. Thought he was going to be a great figure in journalism but was the pound shop Stephen Glass. Gorn Myson fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Mar 3, 2022 18:59
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jiggerypokery posted:As an aside, i never really saw the point of just calling them "islamic state" in Arabic. My only source on this is literally one person who said something like that one time, but since she was a Muslim & that makes a 100% sample of Muslim opinions I've heard I'm gonna go ahead & follow her lead on this
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Mar 3, 2022 19:01
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It's 'so-called Islamic State' actually
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It's the basic fascist urge - it's not that I, personally, need a strong government in nice clean uniforms to repress *me*, but something has to be done about those disrespectful youths and their haircuts, which are definitely the reason why I'm not as happy as I was 10 years ago. not necessarily about Egypt specifically, but for a lot of developing countries it's the other way around - the dictator is felt to be a prerequisite for the walled-off polite society of people with degrees from Western universities (and also disrespectful youths and their haircuts) to exist in that fragile air-conditioned bubble, where politics can be achieved through symbolic protests and studious NGO work on capital-p Policy, rather than dirty urban/rural machine politics the tell for this is that the secular youth activists with fancy haircuts 1) have degrees from Western universities 2) are remarkably disenchanted with the realization of democratic process ronya fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Mar 3, 2022 19:38
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Exciting developments in Scotlab https://twitter.com/chrisdeerin/status/1499448001047273477
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Mar 3, 2022 19:42
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Socially liberal but economically conservative you say? Well sign me up to this new approach to politics.
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Mar 3, 2022 19:49
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keep punching joe posted:Exciting developments in Scotlab Scotland is a one-party Tory state masquerading as a leftist society through the sham apparel of social liberalism. Over a decade of SNP rule and the social safety net is literally that - more holes than anything else. Emergency services and education have gone down the shitter, with waiting times up and quality of care down, class sizes going up when the SNP swore they’d come down, rampant inequality worsened by middle-class liberal elitism telling The Poors how they need helped (but definitely not asking them). I grew up in the highlands, lived in Glasgow for over a decade, lost friends over deliberately divisive single-issue politics, and it absolutely incenses me that they continue to hold themselves up as a liberal New Norway(tm) when actually they’re run by a succession of power-mad shitheaps drunk on their own ideologies. If you want to know how it’s going, read Poverty Safari and be prepared to be very, very loving angry.
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keep punching joe posted:Exciting developments in Scotlab quote:“There’s not the enthusiasm for the SNP there has been in previous years. We’ve managed to remove the toxicity there had been around the Labour brand [during the Corbyn years]. That is some interesting editing lol. Yeah, people only stopped voting for Labour up here because of that darned Corbyn!!
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Her Dryer posted:That is some interesting editing lol. Yeah, people only stopped voting for Labour up here because of that darned Corbyn!! People stopped voting for them because ScotLab toed the Tory/nationalist line of being pro-Union. Regardless of the (in)competence of ScotLab, that alone was enough to poison the well. It’s hard to fathom what the IndyRef did to the political landscape up there unless you lived through it. Jeherrin fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Mar 3, 2022 19:56
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Jeherrin posted:Scotland is a one-party Tory state masquerading as a leftist society through the sham apparel of social liberalism. Over a decade of SNP rule and the social safety net is literally that - more holes than anything else. Emergency services and education have gone down the shitter, with waiting times up and quality of care down, class sizes going up when the SNP swore they’d come down, rampant inequality worsened by middle-class liberal elitism telling The Poors how they need helped (but definitely not asking them). paging coohoolin
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Mar 3, 2022 20:07
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ThomasPaine posted:paging coohoolin Please don’t
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tbh I haven't seen him post for months if not years, I always thought he was a bit unfairly maligned
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Mar 3, 2022 20:18
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ThomasPaine posted:tbh I haven't seen him post for months if not years, I always thought he was a bit unfairly maligned Then you don't remember what he was like and how he consistently spoke down to and thought he was better than everyone else despite being legitimately one of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever seen on this forum.
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Mar 3, 2022 20:23
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Just had a quick look out of curiosity and he's exclusively posting in the mandolin thread these days. Can't make it up.
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Mar 3, 2022 20:28
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Her Dryer posted:That is some interesting editing lol. Yeah, people only stopped voting for Labour up here because of that darned Corbyn!!
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Mar 3, 2022 20:31
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Gorn Myson posted:"Corbyn lost Scotland" is literally a thing libs talk about a lot, even though its quickly shown to be false by a single search on Wikipedia. Libs are dumb as gently caress, news at eleven. It’s loving infuriating. ScotPol is something I try to only think about strategically because I have low blood pressure so I go ‘oh, the SNP’ before I stand up and therefore avoid the momentary dizziness.
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Mar 3, 2022 20:35
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Gorn Myson posted:"Corbyn lost Scotland" is literally a thing libs talk about a lot, even though its quickly shown to be false by a single search on Wikipedia. It's maddening for the reasons Jeherrin outlined above. Liberals will never forgive Corbyn, ever, ever, for largely imaginary crimes.
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Mar 3, 2022 20:36
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Dabir posted:Just had a quick look out of curiosity and he's exclusively posting in the mandolin thread these days. Can't make it up. Sounds like he's living his best life.
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Her Dryer posted:It's maddening for the reasons Jeherrin outlined above. Liberals will never forgive Corbyn, ever, ever, for largely imaginary crimes. The only respite they give is when they blame WeStMiNsTeR (Don’t remind them the things they’re prodigiously failing at are largely devolved so uh it’s on them actually)
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