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Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


I'm hoping for more generic and widespread monuments later on. Like winning a big war pops a journal entry allowing you to build an Arc de Triomphe-alike, or a big naval engagement let's you choose to build your own Nelson's Column.

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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Arrath posted:

I'm hoping for more generic and widespread monuments later on. Like winning a big war pops a journal entry allowing you to build an Arc de Triomphe-alike, or a big naval engagement let's you choose to build your own Nelson's Column.

Yeah that’s what I’d really like, over CK/Rome build-a-monument or EU hard locked ones

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Just let me carve presidential faces into things, dynamically generated by your most successful leaders in game.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Mantis42 posted:

Just let me carve presidential faces into things, dynamically generated by your most successful leaders in game.

That would be kick rear end

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Mantis42 posted:

Just let me carve presidential faces into things, dynamically generated by your most successful leaders in game.

Ah yes, and here you see the Napoleonic Sphinx, carved in 1852...

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Mantis42 posted:

Just let me carve presidential faces into things, dynamically generated by your most successful leaders in game.

gonna carve toussaint louverture into the alps

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1499431592699305991

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Urge to manage my little European industrial garden intensifies.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Gonna echo some people in the paradox thread that it feels odd for the construction sector to be wholly state owned and operated. I wonder how it'll play into investment pools and the various economic governance models.

That said, time to blitz the resources needed to build a gleaming welded and plate glass metropolis in 1850.

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

Spend years on Vicky 2 where everyone agreed that Lassiez-faire sucked and you want to avoid it whenever possible, then Vicky 3 is announced and people are annoyed that lassiez-faire isn't really a thing any more.

I suppose this proves that the people who are unhappy are louder than the people who are satisfied.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Yeah historical accuracy just can’t win over playability and there is no real way to make LF not miserable

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
I'd imagine that for role playing purposes you could just imagine/abstract it away as "the will of the people" constructing something rather than the state?

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Hellioning posted:

Spend years on Vicky 2 where everyone agreed that Lassiez-faire sucked and you want to avoid it whenever possible, then Vicky 3 is announced and people are annoyed that lassiez-faire isn't really a thing any more.

I suppose this proves that the people who are unhappy are louder than the people who are satisfied.

I have absolutely no problems with it being abstracted this way for gameplay reasons, I was just saying it felt odd. I'd much rather not be subject to the whims of braindead ai in the running of my economy so this solution works fine for me.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Wiz's Gulch is not nearly what it was cracked up to be

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

It's pretty much the same problem in every Civ-type game where you're the abstract personification of a nation/empire/peoples and need to have a certain amount of power which would be ahistorical or otherwise unrealistic. The fact that modern AI largely isn't up for it either is icing on the game play cake.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


I guess it's fair that people are bringing it up in this context. After all past Victorias have tried to simulate the difference between state control and your ability to focus it, and citizen/corporate control that the state has to encourage, rather than control.

But that distinction was terrible for gameplay and previous games in this series were good despite that attempt at simulation, not because of it. Let the spirit-of-the-nation player control things through easy to manipulate and understand systems, and let the details of what's actually going on be abstracted.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Watching all of your infrastructure expansion being spent around Glasgow because the capitalists are trying to make all of their clipper factories profitable would probably get tiresome after a few decades.

Fray
Oct 22, 2010

Yeah, I agree with that change for all the gameplay reasons given. I do wonder how they'll make various modes of production play differently, though, since I assume they'll still want them to feel very different. I imagine that under full socialism, buildings won't have capitalist or aristocrat workers, and profits will be disbursed to the various remaining employees rather to the owning pops.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


I thought they did private sector as a pool you can direct?

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.
Your mouse pointer is a visual representation of the invisible hand of the market.

Pooned
Dec 28, 2005

Eye contact counters everything
The construction diary got me more hyped for the game, looks really cool!

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1501211135667621889

VideoWitch
Oct 9, 2012

I wonder why New York doesn't appear to be in the American Market

Zeron
Oct 23, 2010
https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1501216391327883267?s=20&t=v20Js4Y9-s2242adENgTCw

I imagine it's only for the nation you are playing as otherwise it'd be rather confusing.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Great news. The previous way was a very unsatisfying concept.

VideoWitch posted:

I wonder why New York doesn't appear to be in the American Market
I think they've said before that New York is the center of the American market. Usually it's the political capital, but if you want it to be somewhere else for some reason you can, and the US has it separated by default.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Hope you all don't mind me posting these constantly

https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1501578305174179850

feller
Jul 5, 2006


I appreciate you posting them

Fray
Oct 22, 2010

Yeah man, this is what I have it bookmarked for.

Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!

Fray posted:

Yeah man, this is what I have it bookmarked for.

Not an emptyquote.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Good to know, I'll keep em coming! :yeeclaw:

Friend Commuter
Nov 3, 2009
SO CLEVER I WANT TO FUCK MY OWN BRAIN.
Smellrose

ThaumPenguin posted:

Good to know, I'll keep em coming! :yeeclaw:

Thanks for saving me the trouble of going on Twitter! :patriot:

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1501966361567846400

Kaza42
Oct 3, 2013

Blood and Souls and all that

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
"Former"?

Eastbound Spider
Jan 2, 2011



He knew too much

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Yeah it wouldn't be Victoria if anyone actually understood the economy code

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

Gort posted:

"Former"?

He's now at PDX Red and is currently training the new QA lead for Vicky 3.

Wiz
May 16, 2004

Nap Ghost

Gort posted:

"Former"?

He's been promoted to director.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
"promoted," yeah we gotcha comrade.

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Dreissi
Feb 14, 2007

:dukedog:
College Slice
Promoted to that economics farm upstate. No you cannot visit!

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