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CommieGIR posted:
Imagine having to try and explain that. "Don't worry! the nuke plant is having a meltdown, but it's not that big of a deal!"
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Relevant Tangent posted:ethnonationalism is a big part of hindutva which is basically what Modi is the avatar of Also yes a shitload of trade deals Notes from Belarus: troops have reportedly received commands to post up on the Ukrainian side of the border but aren't happy about it https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1499490803101667341?t=tTLC4olsxbHV-XY521Tzfg&s=19 Given how things have worked out for paratroopers so far I wouldn't be happy either
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Vando posted:They would have to be trying extremely hard to do that, it's not the kind of thing that gets broken by an oopsie, the generator structures are also hardened and in more than one location. Pretty cool we have an expert on that power plant in the thread! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Fame Douglas posted:Pretty cool we have an expert on that power plant in the thread! ah, the expert on experts has logged on to qualify the expertise of the alleged experts rate me, if you dare. i will withstand you. en garde
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CommieGIR posted:
Not great not terrible
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:ah, the expert on experts has logged on to qualify the expertise of the alleged experts What does that even mean. I think it's fair to label the situation as cause for concern, acting like you know what would happen when a nuclear plant is shelled seems dumb.
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Fame Douglas posted:Pretty cool we have an expert on that power plant in the thread! Nobody says you have to take my word for it!
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Fame Douglas posted:I'd like to see the expert that's confident shelling a nuclear power plant, resulting in an out-of-control fire, couldn't possibly be a cause for concern. Not sure why you felt the need to post this weird hot take. I’m seeing top nuclear experts say that while attacking a nu lear plant is bad, it won’t just blow the gently caress up, and if there were a safety risk (beyond bullets and plain old fire), we would get a lot of warning over hours and days. The Ukrainian Foreign Minister is, at best, being misinformed and parroting bad info.
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cr0y posted:As a dumb American that can only speak one language, and poorly at that it's very hard to wrap my head around having two distinct languages that essentially can be understood regardless which language you speak natively. Is there an English analog to something like this? I'm assuming it's different than an accent Do you know how long it took me to figure out what "I'm fixin ta do" meant when i moved from chicago to dallas? I was a kid, but still, it was like a foreign language. What? What are you fixing?
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mlmp08 posted:I’m seeing top nuclear experts say that while attacking a nu lear plant is bad, it won’t just blow the gently caress up, and if there were a safety risk (beyond bullets and plain old fire), we would get a lot of warning over hours and days. The Ukrainian Foreign Minister is, at best, being misinformed and parroting bad info. I'm sure that's true, but not what I was talking about at all. Seems even you, trying to downplay the risk, aknowledge there's cause for concern.
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KitConstantine posted:The International Atomic Energy Agency is monitoring, so that's good. Authority grows out of the barrel of a gun. And IAEA has no guns.
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Vando posted:Nobody says you have to take my word for it! Let's quit dancing around the subject, are you an expert on that power plant?
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mlmp08 posted:I’m seeing top nuclear experts say that while attacking a nu lear plant is bad, it won’t just blow the gently caress up, and if there were a safety risk (beyond bullets and plain old fire), we would get a lot of warning over hours and days. The Ukrainian Foreign Minister is, at best, being misinformed and parroting bad info. The Ukrainian Foreign Minister is saying things that effectively translate to "please stop shooting my stuff" which is pretty much his entire job at this point.
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^^ yes, concur that he is saying false stuff to try to get results. He might believe those things, I dunno. Fame Douglas posted:I'm sure that's true, but not what I was talking about at all. Seems even you, trying to downplay the risk, aknowledge there's cause for concern. The biggest concern right now is the safety of plant workers and firefighters from like… bullets.
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mlmp08 posted:The Ukrainian Foreign Minister is, at best, being misinformed and parroting bad info. I forgive him for dramatizing the dangers of a firefight near his reactor
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mlmp08 posted:The biggest concern right now is the safety of plant workers and firefighters from like… bullets. No, the biggest concern is a potential meltdown because of the plant being shelled.
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6 countries sending air force planes to Poland today. It's nice to have friends  https://twitter.com/Gerjon_/status/1499468149342801924?t=bdL07tmPlTXu7QC4dVSJRw&s=19 I think they brought presents
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The main danger is power goes out and it’s dangerously cold. That is the most immediate danger to locals.
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Ikasuhito posted:Imagine having to try and explain that. The sheer amount of damage we do daily with fossil fuels is much, much more concerning. And the bodycount from this war more of an issue.
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Fame Douglas posted:Let's quit dancing around the subject, are you an expert on that power plant? Yeah I built it with my own hands
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My reactor? The best! Bullets? Nothing. RPG? Hardened like my mother-in-law! Let them fight and see!
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CommieGIR posted:The sheer amount of damage we do daily with fossil fuels is much, much more concerning. And the bodycount from this war more of an issue. Does that mean additional damage from a nuclear meltdown, sure to cause additional skepticism of nuclear power, wouldn't matter Vando posted:Yeah I built it with my own hands A simple "no" would have sufficed.
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Fame Douglas posted:No, the biggest concern is a potential meltdown because of the plant being shelled. Yeah I'm hoping someone had a long hard chat with the Russian commander there and he saw the light.
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Fame Douglas posted:No, the biggest concern is a potential meltdown form the plant being shelled. A meltdown isn't the biggest concern, because that would be contained to only the immediate area and is relatively easy to clean up. What people are clearly worrying about is a massive hydrogen explosion like in Chernobyl, which is not possible due to the modernized plant design.
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Fame Douglas posted:I'm sure that's true, but not what I was talking about at all. Seems even you, trying to downplay the risk, aknowledge there's cause for concern. You shat your pants already about chernobyl or was it some other reactor Despera fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:what possible purpose is served by shooting RPGs at a reactor Probably shouldn't be giving a generation raised by Call of Duty actual weapons.
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Feel good post Nice story from Kyiv today https://twitter.com/andersostlund/status/1499344396914941954?t=e0PXs19KCweTA0z8eMkgxQ&s=19
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Much like Fukushima's meltdown: It would be bad, but nobody died from that. 18,000 people died from the Tsunami, not the meltdown. People are dying from this war.
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Fame Douglas posted:A simple "no" would have sufficed. There is nothing I can tell you that would satisfy you. As a general point, and as I said earlier: I can tell you what I know. Nobody has to believe it. It is pointless for anyone to repeatedly challenge this kind of commentary because 100% of it is unverifiable, because we are nerds on a website. Decide for yourself if it's useful, but unless you can prove you know better it is a waste of everyone's time to say "but you can't prove this!" every time someone says something that you don't like about a situation.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Probably shouldn't be giving a generation raised by Call of Duty actual weapons. Speaking of Call of Duty, I'm pretty sure we're witnessing the plot to the next ten years of Blops.
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Vando posted:There is nothing I can tell you that would satisfy you. Again, a simple "no" would have sufficed. Just accept you can't say for sure, either - we're talking about future events in a war, here. Personally, I hope the Russians aren't THIS irresponsible.
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i'm the guy who chooses to read pages of commentary from people i am convinced know nothing at all
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Atreiden posted:Are there actually any treaties about what to do with a nuclear powerplant in a warzone? *Lemayishly* "It's only a war crime if you lose."
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Relevant Tangent posted:Probably shouldn't be giving a generation raised by Call of Duty actual weapons. Farming Simulator people are making handy work of War of Tanks people. I'm looking for a lesson there but I can't find it.
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CommieGIR posted:The sheer amount of damage we do daily with fossil fuels is much, much more concerning. And the bodycount from this war more of an issue. it is fairly absurd to try and turn this back into one of the classic goon "nuclear power is good" discussions. yes, we get it, it won't turn into chernobyl and america should build more nuclear plants or whatever. however, a warzone is unpredictable. artillery is famously prone to inaccuracy. fire fights and shelling at the plant have the potential to damage emergency backups and cause a loss of coolant, and hits on the reactor have the potential to cause leaks of radioactive material. and fires at the reactor have a potential to spread that material into the air and very far. so it is dangerous. even if it not very likely, it is likely enough to be pretty concerning! again, they are not actually designed to handle being fired at by military weapons.
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Fame Douglas posted:Again, a simple "no" would have sufficed. Just accept you can't say for sure, either - we're talking about future events in a war, here. Personally, I hope the Russians aren't THIS irresponsible. I have literally said I can't say for sure in pretty much every post on this topic. Bad things could happen, they probably won't, and I've been wrong before!
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CommieGIR posted:If they do, then yeah they will melt down. But again, the only thing we know for sure is one of the buildings is damaged, but is a unit currently undergoing maintenance. Chernobyl's meltdown was also magnified by the fact that, like other RBMK reactors, it did not have a full containment structure, so the explosion just blew the whole building housing the reactor apart. That is not the case with this plant's design.
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I've been out of the loop for a bit... what the hell happened? I heard the Russians bombed a nuke plant?
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KitConstantine posted:Also yes a shitload of trade deals i am kinda curious if we are gonna start seeing Russian client states telling Russians to gently caress off or eat poo poo now. i know Kazakhstan's told russia they arnt doing their merc dirty work and Russia is now threatening them. i wouldn't be shocked if Belarus slow walks their participation in this too.
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