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cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



Does anyone have that propaganda video of an m80 going off like 800 yards away from that reporter and he ducks under something like a mailbox? I know I saw it in this thread but I don't know how to search for it

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Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

PIZZA.BAT posted:

Congressmen are allowed to say whatever they want whenever they want without repercussions. This is by design as an explicit check against executive power

the speech or debate clause isn't that broad. he's tweeting it, he's not on the senate floor.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Concerned Citizen posted:

the speech or debate clause isn't that broad. he's tweeting it, he's not on the senate floor.

Speech or Debate is a lot broader than just statements on the floor - any “legislative act” is covered and that gets applied quite broadly.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

You guys have me convinced a Senator can just flap his gums and advocate that a subjected population should remove the man responsible. I don't like it but there's nothing I can do about that.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



surf rock posted:

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1499574209567199235

Well, I haven't seen a U.S. Senator directly call for someone's assassination before.

In case he deletes it, first tweet: Is there a Brutus in Russia? Is there a more successful Colonel Stauffenberg in the Russian military? The only way this ends is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out. You would be doing your country - and the world - a great service.

Second tweet: The only people who can fix this are the Russian people. Easy to say, hard to do. Unless you want to live in darkness for the rest of your life, be isolated from the rest of the world in abject poverty, and live in darkness you need to step up to the plate.

Shut the gently caress up Lindsey you are going to provoke a war

But also :same:

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

TulliusCicero posted:

Shut the gently caress up Lindsey you are going to provoke a war
How would this provoke a war if it's not the head of state calling for it?
Putin's cronies say a bunch of poo poo all the time.

Small White Dragon
Nov 23, 2007

No relation.
So earlier this was posting about airplanes; I knew North American Airlines leased their planes but I wasn't aware they did it in Russia too.

That said, Armenia refuted that a plane was seized:
https://en.armradio.am/2022/03/03/no-s7-plane-arrested-in-yerevan-ministry/

Also, there is a rumor in aviation circles that Putin is going to nationalize all the airlines:
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/30369-russia-discusses-nationalizing-boeing-airbus-fleets-reports

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



Grouchio posted:

How would this provoke a war if it's not the head of state calling for it?
Putin's cronies say a bunch of poo poo all the time.

Eh that's fair

If I recall the Minister of Gout Lavrov is particularly good at running his mouth

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

TulliusCicero posted:

Shut the gently caress up Lindsey you are going to provoke a war

But also :same:

I mean we're at war with Russia right now... he might escalate it but we're there.

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Kalman posted:

Speech or Debate is a lot broader than just statements on the floor - any “legislative act” is covered and that gets applied quite broadly.

in the case of gravel, it specifically did not cover the private publication of the pentagon papers. it did, however, cover the floor speech disclosing the papers. i think it is quite wrong that it speech or debate clause would allow a us senator to walk into a classified briefing, hear a bunch of stuff, and then go on twitter and repeat what he just heard.

many us senators have complained about the rules on classified information making it difficult for them to criticize, say, the nsa's spying programs.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

TulliusCicero posted:

Shut the gently caress up Lindsey you are going to provoke a war

On war, I was trying to think of an escalation that Putin could make use of and your post made me think a declaration of war (against Ukraine) would be just the ticket. It costs him nothing and he already has Russia primed for it. And the pretense of "special operation" can be dispensed with. And the west's response will just be some words so it's a safe, even domestically useful escalation.

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



So I'm doing some illustration stuff, can some farm and tank people please identify the models of the tractor and the unit in this video so I can track down some reference material? Everything I make will be free use for anyone who can possibly generate money off of it to benefit the cause

It's our tractor boy

https://youtu.be/qHD848Glbi4

dominoeffect
Oct 1, 2013

Small White Dragon posted:

So earlier this was posting about airplanes; I knew North American Airlines leased their planes but I wasn't aware they did it in Russia too.

That said, Armenia refuted that a plane was seized:
https://en.armradio.am/2022/03/03/no-s7-plane-arrested-in-yerevan-ministry/

Also, there is a rumor in aviation circles that Putin is going to nationalize all the airlines:
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/30369-russia-discusses-nationalizing-boeing-airbus-fleets-reports

I saw that rumor about nationalizing the airlines as well. I'm assuming that buying them would require dollars or euros I wonder if they have all the money on hand to do that right now.

Another thing I'm unsure of is even if they buy the planes, they still need access to parts for maintaining them. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

dominoeffect posted:

I saw that rumor about nationalizing the airlines as well. I'm assuming that buying them would require dollars or euros I wonder if they have all the money on hand to do that right now.

Another thing I'm unsure of is even if they buy the planes, they still need access to parts for maintaining them. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

It's cargo planes he needs, and lots and lots of them.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


PIZZA.BAT posted:

Congressmen are allowed to say whatever they want whenever they want without repercussions. This is by design as an explicit check against executive power

I'm pretty sure posts on Twitter calling for assassination of a foreign president are not covered under the Speech or Debate clause.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause

Kalman posted:

Speech or Debate is a lot broader than just statements on the floor - any “legislative act” is covered and that gets applied quite broadly.

I'm not a constitutional scholar but I can't see how this could be argued to be a legislative act.

Edit: Not that I think he's going to (or should) face any legal consequences whatsoever for this. But only for the same reason that I probably wouldn't face any legal consequences for the same thing, not because he's a sitting Senator.

KillHour fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Mar 4, 2022

Small White Dragon
Nov 23, 2007

No relation.

dominoeffect posted:

I saw that rumor about nationalizing the airlines as well. I'm assuming that buying them would require dollars or euros I wonder if they have all the money on hand to do that right now.

I would be shocked if the Russian government actually paid for these.

Incidentally, if anyone cares -- I know there was mention of Delta severing interline and codeshare agreements with Aeroflot, but S7 aka Siberian Airlines has a similar arrangement with American and Alaska Airlines, and I'm told they have done the same.

dominoeffect
Oct 1, 2013

KillHour posted:

I'm pretty sure posts on Twitter calling for assassination of a foreign president are not covered under the Speech or Debate clause.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause

Apparently, he said it live as well: https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1499575636641337368

A viewpoint on the assassination take: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1499590983989743617

dominoeffect fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Mar 4, 2022

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



KillHour posted:

I'm pretty sure posts on Twitter calling for assassination of a foreign president are not covered under the Speech or Debate clause.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause

I'm not a constitutional scholar but I can't see how this could be argued to be a legislative act.

You will 100% never ever ever ever prosecute a United States politician for anything they say ever. Ever. It might as well not be a law.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Small White Dragon posted:

I would be shocked if the Russian government actually paid for these.

Incidentally, if anyone cares -- I know there was mention of Delta severing interline and codeshare agreements with Aeroflot, but S7 aka Siberian Airlines has a similar arrangement with American and Alaska Airlines, and I'm told they have done the same.

On airlines, I saw Whiz Air (great name), Hungarian outfit, is pretty much giving free rides to refugees, on and around their euro routes. I thought that was nice of them.

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009
I wish Lindsay Graham would shut his mouth; we're all thinking it but I worry the more people say it out loud the more desperate and dangerous Putin is going to get.

Edit: As that Rob Lee guy says, it's especially unwise for a US official to be calling for this.

dominoeffect
Oct 1, 2013

Republicans are on a roll https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1499583673108025345. These takes are pretty serious to just fling around

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Cheating helped me fail the test and stay on the show.

Sucrose posted:

I wish Lindsay Graham would shut his mouth; we're all thinking it but I worry the more people say it out loud the more desperate and dangerous Putin is going to get.

Putin isn't going to launch a nuke because of what that dipshit Lindsey Graham said

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

I suspect the play is that by demanding irresponsible things, they can blame the dems for not also demanding them.

cr0y posted:

You will 100% never ever ever ever prosecute a United States politician for anything they say ever. Ever. It might as well not be a law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009

These are three people saying three completely different things.

Edit: On second thought, they ARE three completely stupid and warmongerish things to say.

edit edit: Oh, Cernovich has become a piss-drinker now? excellent.

Sucrose fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Mar 4, 2022

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



dominoeffect posted:

Republicans are on a roll https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1499583673108025345. These takes are pretty serious to just fling around

Why are we posting piss tester, who very cleary at this point is at least Russia adjacent?

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


cr0y posted:

You will 100% never ever ever ever prosecute a United States politician for anything they say ever. Ever. It might as well not be a law.

Tons of US politicians have been arrested for accepting bribes and politicians can be sued for defamation. I'm sure if I dug I could find an example of a US politician being prosecuted for directly threatening someone but I'm lazy.

Small White Dragon
Nov 23, 2007

No relation.
Thought this was interesting:

quote:

And those are just the obvious, first-order effects. Bradley Jardine, a global fellow at the Wilson Center, a nonpartisan research organization, writes that Tajikistan, a small Central Asian country north of Afghanistan, relies on remittances from Russia for more than 20 percent of its GDP. That means if workers in Russia stop sending money to their families in Tajikistan, that country’s economy could nose-dive into a depression. Economic crises can spark political revolutions, and Tajikistan shares a border with China’s westernmost province, Xinjiang. Russia’s crisis could, then, become a Central Asian economic crisis, which could become a Chinese political problem. What happens in Russia will not stay in Russia.

Source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-e2-80-99s-looming-economic-collapse/ar-AAUvozL

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
Twitter should enforce their rules and ban him. I mean there’s gotta be a “you can’t advocate for someone’s assassination on our platform” rule right?

dominoeffect
Oct 1, 2013

Sucrose posted:

These are three people saying three completely different things.

I mean, they're all republican and they're all proposing a serious escalation of events. I just found the timing of their tweets to be ironic because they're within 15 minutes of each other.


TulliusCicero posted:

Why are we posting piss tester, who very cleary at this point is at least Russia adjacent?

Wasn't aware. Their tweet just has all three tweets side-by-side

dominoeffect fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Mar 4, 2022

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

dominoeffect posted:

Republicans are on a roll https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1499583673108025345. These takes are pretty serious to just fling around

And if that's not scary enough, these fucks are set to take over two thirds of the US government in November, and then pick up the spare in two years when Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis takes the White House.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
Heres a javelin explainer if you are bored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRhbfi_65o

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1499595834375262210

OK, which of you is Chris Hayes?

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Boris Galerkin posted:

Twitter should enforce their rules and ban him. I mean there’s gotta be a “you can’t advocate for someone’s assassination on our platform” rule right?

Nah, it's perfectly acceptable to advocate assassinating a Hitler. Everyone's good with that.

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

Despera posted:

Heres a javelin explainer if you are bored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRhbfi_65o

So when you leave the army, do you just get to take your armor and some of your used equipment with you?

Kalit
Nov 6, 2006

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

cr0y posted:

You will 100% never ever ever ever prosecute a United States politician for anything they say ever. Ever. It might as well not be a law.

:confused: What the hell are you talking about? This has happened in the past. Unless you mean "prosecute a United States politician for anything they say ever. Ever. [before they resign]". Which in that case... sure, maybe? But they still have gotten prosecuted soon after for statements made while being a politician...

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Despera posted:

Heres a javelin explainer if you are bored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRhbfi_65o

You got a hickok45 video for javelins? I'd watch that for sure.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



nine-gear crow posted:

And if that's not scary enough, these fucks are set to take over two thirds of the US government in November, and then pick up the spare in two years when Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis takes the White House.

I feel like the sudden lack of bots/ funding might have shifted the calculus a bit

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Street lights are going out. A new day is dawning in Kyiv - and it's still Ukrainian. :unsmith:

:ukraine:

the white hand
Nov 12, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Alexander Vindman on Rubio

quote:

But for Putin, I’ll tell you that Marco Rubio frankly doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It’s kind of frustrating to watch him spout off. What we would call as, you know, like secret squirrel. He’s got some secret information that he’s sharing the most watered down version to indicate that he’s in the know as some sort of political tool. But it’s kind of meaningless, except for the fact that could be significantly misinterpreted.

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Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

PIZZA.BAT posted:

Congressmen are allowed to say whatever they want whenever they want without repercussions. This is by design as an explicit check against executive power

Thats not true, they still can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded nuclear power plant.

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