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Comrade Fakename posted:Since he was mentioned, and he’s not been around for a while so I can feel a bit better about poo poo-talking him, am I the only one who was freaked out by Coohoolin’s almost pitch-perfect Scottish accent when they first heard him on Podcasting is Praxis? He’d only been living there a few years by that point - this suggests he was obsessively working on his accent to get it correct, maybe recording himself and playing it back so he could finesse it. I feel kind of lovely for complaining about an immigrant integrating too well, but it’s just weird, right? If English isn't your first language it would make sense that you would pretty quickly adopt the accent of wherever you are when you begin to speak it frequently. Even as an English guy I got comments that I'd picked up certain Scottish mannerisms even after only living here for a few years. In any case, I didn't agree with everything he said, but he seemed to have his heart in the right place, and I find it a little uncomfortable for us to be making GBS threads on things that were obviously a big deal to his identity, especially in his absence.
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Coohoolin is a good lad who means well. Also being weirded out by his accent is extremely problematic and suss.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Probably just a little bit of expectation management because they were polling >50%, I don't think the seat's in danger, but weird how bad weather is suddenly an issue, surely they've got loads of volunteers up there to get out the vote? Didn't Keith shut down the volunteer wing of the party? Where would they get these volunteers from? Labour won, which is a pretty neutral result. Fair play to the candidate: a nurse of 25 years and longstanding councillor in the area. But it's hard to see this as a positive considering this will be spun as Keith's loving awful leadership finally showing results.
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keep punching joe posted:Coohoolin is a good lad who means well.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1499472481786159104 Wasnt this the election where they were forcing all potential candidates for council/mp seats to come out and campaign. Even if you were like 3 hours away?
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forkboy84 posted:The collapse started in 2007, was slightly forestalled in '10's general election, but it's not all on the shoulders of Labour. The real killing stroke was the independence referendum but the rot had set in well before then. Unlike Jeherrin & Scottish Labour I think that saying Scottish Labour collapsed because of independence is reductive bollocks. The rot started decades ago when Labour were effectively the only party in the most populated parts of the country, so eventually all the grifters & careerists join in & places like Glasgow City Council (& its predecessors) became corrupt as hell & just deeply complacent, even as the East End remained one of the poorest parts of western Europe with one of the lowest life expectancy (I think it might be #1 now for low life expectancy?). The councillors & MPs were often pure loving chancers at best. For every Gordon Brown who actually had a brain inside his skull there were several dozens of people like George Galloway who only bothered to turn up in his constituency when it was time to campaign for re-election & otherwise just didn't give much of a gently caress even as he espoused socialism. Scottish Labour didn't even really have the thing that New Labour down south had where people who in their youth were quite radical turned into loving monsters, like David Blunkett possibly most notably. Even in the decade between the devo referendum & Labour losing power in Scotland they had 2 First Ministers resign in dodgy dealing circumstances (although next to some of the poo poo Boris has pulled it's pretty quaint stuff). I think you’re right. My experiences were borne if being fairly solidly/culturally pro-Lab in my circle and when the IndyRef happened, that’s when it really felt like Labour just lost any hope of meaningful opposition. That said, your argument is more complete! And let’s not even get started on the dodginess of successive first ministers.
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Coohoolin seems to be a Scottish weeaboo and I'm very charmed by that as a concept
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Failed Imagineer posted:Coohoolin seems to be a Scottish weeaboo and I'm very charmed by that as a concept Coohoolin has lived in Scotland for most/all of his adult life. I don't know how else you would describe a Scottish person other than "has lived in Scotland for most of their life" (because "hates england" is too broad a category)
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Miftan posted:Coohoolin has lived in Scotland for most/all of his adult life. I don't know how else you would describe a Scottish person other than "has lived in Scotland for most of their life" (because "hates england" is too broad a category) Yeah but he's like really into being Scottish. Nah jk I don't care, I thought he'd only been there a couple years so that's useful context. Not "useful" in the sense of something that I will actually use in my life, but there it is
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If a non-native speaker lives for years of their life in London and speaks English with an almost perfect RP accent. Is that weird to people, because I suspect not? Also unless I'm mistaken he lives in a Doric speaking community, so kudos for native level learning a dialect that is unintelligible to most Scots even. Edit : plus yes he probably did practice a lot, because you know what, that's how you get good at things. keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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I've lived in the UK for about a decade now and while I don't sound English because I spoke it fluently before, I definitely sound *more* English now than when I moved here. It's not weird, it's just what happens. I have friends who have kids who learned English in certain parts of the UK and sound like they're from there despite their families being from somewhere else. Hell, I've even seen kids from different continents in London who sound like they're from Newcastle because that's where their primary school teacher is from.
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Miftan posted:I've lived in the UK for about a decade now and while I don't sound English because I spoke it fluently before, I definitely sound *more* English now than when I moved here. It's not weird, it's just what happens. I have friends who have kids who learned English in certain parts of the UK and sound like they're from there despite their families being from somewhere else. Hell, I've even seen kids from different continents in London who sound like they're from Newcastle because that's where their primary school teacher is from. Hell, I sound Mid-Atlantic just because my missus is American, continuous exposure will rewire your brain
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My parents still have a faint Welsh accent but when they get on the phone to a relative you can almost plot the (time on call / accent strength) on a chart.
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Mega Comrade posted:My parents still have a faint Welsh accent but when they get on the phone to a relative you can almost plot the (time on call / accent strength) on a chart. My father came from the Rhondda and moved to Newport early in his adult life but never lost his accent but when he was speaking to his family or speaking a bit of Welsh it definitely got stronger.
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keep punching joe posted:If a non-native speaker lives for years of their life in London and speaks English with an almost perfect RP accent. Is that weird to people, because I suspect not? Coohoolin doesn't speak Doric, thank God, but then most people in Aberdeen don't either. And he came here when he was 18 and he's now pushing 30, so he's not been here "just a few years" as someone thought earlier.
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Dabir posted:Great video by Shaun tearing apart the politics in Harry Potter. Christ, I'm already looking at the 3.5 hour Hbomb Deus Ex video wondering where I'll find time between playing Elden Ring and watching Clone Wars cartoons.
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Mega Comrade posted:My parents still have a faint Welsh accent but when they get on the phone to a relative you can almost plot the (time on call / accent strength) on a chart. You could use my Cornish mum's accent like a GPS. In London it was a sort of generic Home Counties with just the occasional soft consonant (she insisted on calling the dairy product "budder", when of course we all know it's pronounced "bu'er" with a glottal stop) but as you headed down the A30 it got more and more Wurzel-y until when we crossed the Tamar and every single syllable was just "arr".
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Coohoolin is someone on praxiscast? I'm a very transient thread poster, I miss years of UKMT at a time sometimes
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Miftan posted:Coohoolin has lived in Scotland for most/all of his adult life. I don't know how else you would describe a Scottish person other than "has lived in Scotland for most of their life" (because "hates england" is too broad a category) Yeah, if someone lives in Scotland & wants to be Scottish & isn't a massive landowning parasite then in my book that makes them Scottish regardless of where they grew up or where they were born. Although, talking down Scotland while getting insanely mad if any non-Scot does it is a key component of our national identity so Coohoolin still needs to work on that a bit. Miftan posted:I've lived in the UK for about a decade now and while I don't sound English because I spoke it fluently before, I definitely sound *more* English now than when I moved here. It's not weird, it's just what happens. I have friends who have kids who learned English in certain parts of the UK and sound like they're from there despite their families being from somewhere else. Hell, I've even seen kids from different continents in London who sound like they're from Newcastle because that's where their primary school teacher is from. I have a friend who is from Norwich & despite having never lived in Liverpool & only gone there for nights out he would turn Scouse if around Scousers. It was kind of impressive. Some people have that sort of chameleon thing with their accent & while it might seem a bit silly at first it's not worth fixating on. I remember when I lived in Sheffield for 6 months, in my early 20s, & my accent definitely started getting more Glaswegian. Despite not having lived in Glasgow at that point. Now that was a weird one.
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# ? Mar 4, 2022 10:43 |
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*loads UKMT.xlsx Yes he appears in a number of the early more ropey episodes most recently e23
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jiggerypokery posted:Coohoolin is someone on praxiscast? He goes by Elijah on the pod and the UKMT Discord.
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Gotcha. I don't use the discord any more either.
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Some people just naturally pick up accents quick too. I speak with a pretty broad western Scottish accent, but because a good friend of mine is very Scouse, I now unconsciously add "like" to the end of a lot of sentences, it's a curse.
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The accent thing is very strange to me over here. I've also noticed friends getting more northern/southern when talking to their parents, for example. Accents... Aren't really a thing in Israel. You've broadly got two: Ashkenazi (european jews) and Mizrahi (arab jews), with both having some cultural/vocabulary stuff attached, but that's it really. With younger people it's mostly been normalised into one broad accent. I gather that's sort of happening in the UK now, and accents/vocabulary (what the gently caress is a fuddle, yorkshire??) normalising a bit, but it's still a lot more pronounced than anything I've ever experienced and it made moving around the UK really difficult for the first month or so of moving to a new place with a very strong accent.
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keep punching joe posted:If a non-native speaker lives for years of their life in London and speaks English with an almost perfect RP accent. Is that weird to people, because I suspect not?
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Do Londoners even have RP? Isn't it more a home counties thing?
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That's honestly one of the worst illustrations I've ever seen
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I don't know, whatever it is you talk in the south.
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When i was a child in N.I. you could pin down an accent to within a three mile radius, that's mostly gone now with the younger generations (under 30) with much better communication & media. A language that isn't fluid and adaptive becomes marginalised and eventually dead.
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I also have a accent.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Some people just naturally pick up accents quick too like. I speak with a pretty broad western Scottish accent, but because a good friend of mine is very Scouse, I now unconsciously add "like" to the end of a lot of sentences, it's a curse like.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Some people just naturally pick up accents quick too. I speak with a pretty broad western Scottish accent, but because a good friend of mine is very Scouse, I now unconsciously add "like" to the end of a lot of sentences, it's a curse. I sometimes accidentally say “I brought this” instead of “I bought this” because of a friend I worked with over 10 years ago.
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1499668526088564738
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The north is great because you go fifteen minutes away in any direction and everyone talks like a loving idiot.
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So for a laugh I decided to watch Threads yesterday, and guess what day the story begins on? VVV nah he's Swiss afaik keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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keep punching joe posted:If a non-native speaker lives for years of their life in London and speaks English with an almost perfect RP accent. Is that weird to people, because I suspect not?
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I had a relative who moved to belfast and for my entire life has been utterly incomprehensible so people can just pick up accents.
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Only Kindness posted:Imagine "No, don't kill a million Iraqis" being decried as not having a positive agenda, simply because it has the word No in it. Moralists, man, fuckin' moralists
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It's also worth mentioning that he moved here from America, didn't he? So afaik he's hardly a 'non-native' speaker in that he already spoke English. And with the US' international reputation it would make sense he'd drop the accent the second he hit the runway. I'm pretty sure he didn't, but all this talk about coohoolin specifically is getting real weird.
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