Comrade Fakename posted:

Since he was mentioned, and he’s not been around for a while so I can feel a bit better about poo poo-talking him, am I the only one who was freaked out by Coohoolin’s almost pitch-perfect Scottish accent when they first heard him on Podcasting is Praxis? He’d only been living there a few years by that point - this suggests he was obsessively working on his accent to get it correct, maybe recording himself and playing it back so he could finesse it. I feel kind of lovely for complaining about an immigrant integrating too well, but it’s just weird, right?

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Probably just a little bit of expectation management because they were polling >50%, I don't think the seat's in danger, but weird how bad weather is suddenly an issue, surely they've got loads of volunteers up there to get out the vote?

keep punching joe posted:

Coohoolin is a good lad who means well.

Also being weirded out by his accent is extremely problematic and suss.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1499472481786159104

Probably just a little bit of expectation management because they were polling >50%, I don't think the seat's in danger, but weird how bad weather is suddenly an issue, surely they've got loads of volunteers up there to get out the vote?

forkboy84 posted:

The collapse started in 2007, was slightly forestalled in '10's general election, but it's not all on the shoulders of Labour. The real killing stroke was the independence referendum but the rot had set in well before then. Unlike Jeherrin & Scottish Labour I think that saying Scottish Labour collapsed because of independence is reductive bollocks. The rot started decades ago when Labour were effectively the only party in the most populated parts of the country, so eventually all the grifters & careerists join in & places like Glasgow City Council (& its predecessors) became corrupt as hell & just deeply complacent, even as the East End remained one of the poorest parts of western Europe with one of the lowest life expectancy (I think it might be #1 now for low life expectancy?). The councillors & MPs were often pure loving chancers at best. For every Gordon Brown who actually had a brain inside his skull there were several dozens of people like George Galloway who only bothered to turn up in his constituency when it was time to campaign for re-election & otherwise just didn't give much of a gently caress even as he espoused socialism. Scottish Labour didn't even really have the thing that New Labour down south had where people who in their youth were quite radical turned into loving monsters, like David Blunkett possibly most notably. Even in the decade between the devo referendum & Labour losing power in Scotland they had 2 First Ministers resign in dodgy dealing circumstances (although next to some of the poo poo Boris has pulled it's pretty quaint stuff).

There was only a gap for the SNP to fill because of the staggeringly complacency of ScotLab: look at George Robertson's famous quote in 1995, "Devolution will kill Nationalism stone dead". Woops. But gently caress, look at the context of 1995, the Nats had 3 MPs, I'm pretty sure the most they'd had between 1979 & 2015 was 6 (in 74 they won 11 seats, & that was when Scotland had more than 70 MPs). They have only been able to make independence a wedge issue because Scottish Labour have been completely moribund. ScotLab made these circumstances for themselves & between the Blairite attitude of chasing Tory voters in the south east at the expense of lifelong Labour voters in the north of England & Central Belt because "who else do they have to vote for" & the sheer loving lack of talent on their benches (seriously, look at the people who've been party leader north of the border, it's nonentity after nonentity, people lacking charisma, presence, sincerity, ideas or anything else but a sense of entitlement that Labour are the party of government in Scotland & so it'll ever be) because most of the prominent Labour MPs decided to stay at Westminster as Holyrood was viewed as a backwater. And one of the few MPs who wanted to stand for Holyrood, Dennis Canavan, was turned down because he was in the Socialist Campaign Group & you know what New Labour was like. So he ran as an independent and absolutely skelpt the official Labour candidate, getting 55% of the vote while the Blairite approved chancer Ross Martin got 18%. And when Canavan retired in 2007 SNP have won the constituency every time; Labour's chances were scuppered because of right wingers being more obsessed with crushing factional rivals than anything else.

Failed Imagineer posted:

Coohoolin seems to be a Scottish weeaboo and I'm very charmed by that as a concept

Miftan posted:

Coohoolin has lived in Scotland for most/all of his adult life. I don't know how else you would describe a Scottish person other than "has lived in Scotland for most of their life" (because "hates england" is too broad a category)

Miftan posted:

I've lived in the UK for about a decade now and while I don't sound English because I spoke it fluently before, I definitely sound *more* English now than when I moved here. It's not weird, it's just what happens. I have friends who have kids who learned English in certain parts of the UK and sound like they're from there despite their families being from somewhere else. Hell, I've even seen kids from different continents in London who sound like they're from Newcastle because that's where their primary school teacher is from.

Mega Comrade posted:

My parents still have a faint Welsh accent but when they get on the phone to a relative you can almost plot the (time on call / accent strength) on a chart.

keep punching joe posted:

If a non-native speaker lives for years of their life in London and speaks English with an almost perfect RP accent. Is that weird to people, because I suspect not?

Also unless I'm mistaken he lives in a Doric speaking community, so kudos for native level learning a dialect that is unintelligible to most Scots even.

Dabir posted:

Great video by Shaun tearing apart the politics in Harry Potter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1iaJWSwUZs

Mega Comrade posted:

My parents still have a faint Welsh accent but when they get on the phone to a relative you can almost plot the (time on call / accent strength) on a chart.

Miftan posted:

Coohoolin has lived in Scotland for most/all of his adult life. I don't know how else you would describe a Scottish person other than "has lived in Scotland for most of their life" (because "hates england" is too broad a category)

Miftan posted:

I've lived in the UK for about a decade now and while I don't sound English because I spoke it fluently before, I definitely sound *more* English now than when I moved here. It's not weird, it's just what happens. I have friends who have kids who learned English in certain parts of the UK and sound like they're from there despite their families being from somewhere else. Hell, I've even seen kids from different continents in London who sound like they're from Newcastle because that's where their primary school teacher is from.

jiggerypokery posted:

Coohoolin is someone on praxiscast?

keep punching joe posted:

If a non-native speaker lives for years of their life in London and speaks English with an almost perfect RP accent. Is that weird to people, because I suspect not?

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Some people just naturally pick up accents quick too like. I speak with a pretty broad western Scottish accent, but because a good friend of mine is very Scouse, I now unconsciously add "like" to the end of a lot of sentences, it's a curse like.

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Some people just naturally pick up accents quick too. I speak with a pretty broad western Scottish accent, but because a good friend of mine is very Scouse, I now unconsciously add "like" to the end of a lot of sentences, it's a curse.

fuctifino posted:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1499668526088564738

keep punching joe posted:

If a non-native speaker lives for years of their life in London and speaks English with an almost perfect RP accent. Is that weird to people, because I suspect not?

Only Kindness posted:

Imagine "No, don't kill a million Iraqis" being decried as not having a positive agenda, simply because it has the word No in it.

I guess we just had to embrace positivity and kill all those people.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

It's also worth mentioning that he moved here from America, didn't he? So afaik he's hardly a 'non-native' speaker in that he already spoke English. And with the US' international reputation it would make sense he'd drop the accent the second he hit the runway.