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Rectal Death Adept posted:Then the 200 helicopter assault actually finished off the airport but they couldn't translate that into overthrowing the government so their still unprepared army kept getting massacred and started running out of supplies. As far as I can tell, it did never happen.
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Panzeh posted:I think the amphib ops are mostly a decoy, a la Desert Storm. I tend to agree. There is already fighitn about 100km from Odesa. It makes more sense for them to go primarily from the east. There was some gunfire audible today in the city.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:So will ATGM hit those big rear end ships? The ones like this? Yes, but those would also be attacking an area without even air parity, making them vulnerable to the much more deadly towed and self propelled artillery pieces you would want suppressed or destroyed. Modern artillery has the range and precision to hit landing craft. E: also they would have to either bring the cruiser through a minefield closer to shore or leave it's protection envelope and risk the Ukrainians having an anti ship missile battery ready. Barrel Cactaur fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:dude, the russians wanted them to leave. the ideal russia situation would have been for literally every civilian to leave the city because they just wanted to loving level the thing. it's certainly possible they fired on civilians but the entire point of the thing was to get them out, they didn't need to setup some fake corridor in order to kill civilians if that was their goal. As has been stated, the Russians have a well-documented history of not caring about civilian casualties. You are asking "why would the Russians kill Chechen civilians using a massacre carried out by "unknown assailants" when they could have just simply shelled the city into oblivion, making it painfully clear who killed the civilians?" The question answers itself. KitConstantine posted:Interesting that the Ukrainians are able to take proactive measures like this in the south right now. Assuming this is accurate, I find that curious more than anything. Transnitria hasn't apparently made any moves so far, and if the rest of the south falls, that won't matter. What that suggests to me is that Ukraine may have received some new intelligence which made cutting off that route at this time important.
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Cocktail name suggestions: White Russian - Ghost of Kyiv, obviously Moscow Mule - Kharkiv Javelin
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steinrokkan posted:What should we rename Drink name proposals: Javelin (gives you a splitting headache) Mariupolitan Zaporozhian Reply Chernobyl Sarcophagus Blue & Yellow Stolen Tank Vladimir's Victory Wine Dessert name proposals: Muddy Roads
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Ukrainian Tractor could also work for Moscow Mules
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:So will ATGM hit those big rear end ships? The ones like this? RPGs can absolutely blow holes in most ships, since they aren't really armoured to hold an RPG blast. The landing ships may hold them, though. Either way, with so much forewarning, any naval landing is going to be a daytime bloodbath.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Assuming this is accurate, I find that curious more than anything. Transnitria hasn't apparently made any moves so far, and if the rest of the south falls, that won't matter. What that suggests to me is that Ukraine may have received some new intelligence which made cutting off that route at this time important. It could be that it saves armed men from guarding that bridge as they are more in need elsewhere.
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Panzeh posted:I think the amphib ops are mostly a decoy, a la Desert Storm. They tie up the troops.protecting Odessa... but then probably so does whatever is in Transnistria.
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OddObserver posted:They tie up the troops.protecting Odessa... but then probably so does whatever is in Transnistria. Vampire separatists, presumably, but the good news is the Ukrainian witches can handle them.
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the popes toes posted:Here's an interesting comparison (from Bloomberg) I've been pretty happy with the way the Canadian government has been handling this. Canada has the third most Ukrainians in it after Ukraine and Russia. 
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Panzeh posted:I think the amphib ops are mostly a decoy, a la Desert Storm. I mean, they've been able to execute complex strategic maneuvers so well up until now...
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KitConstantine posted:Can't imagine why the Ukrainians might not trust them these thugs are giant loving cowards. i have seen a couple videos of russian soldiers just wasting cars and ambulances and crowds because gently caress knows why. they should be thankful as gently caress the ukranians are treating their prisons mostly well so far. A GIANT PARSNIP posted:So will ATGM hit those big rear end ships? The ones like this? yeah. very much yeah and i don't think they have air parity in that region, so alot of Russians are gonna die, badly.
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Quorum posted:Vampire separatists, presumably, but the good news is the Ukrainian witches can handle them. There are Russian troops there, but I am not sure of numbers, and they're presumably not configured with the heavy stuff.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I mean, they've been able to execute complex strategic maneuvers so well up until now... Hey man the VDV can only drop in so many places at once!
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Nenonen posted:It could be that it saves armed men from guarding that bridge as they are more in need elsewhere. A valid possibility, but if that's the case, why not blow it up at the start of hostilities instead of a week-and-a-half in? That gives more time to position your forces elsewhere and makes it safer to reposition.
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Slugworth posted:Anecdotal and all, but in a "I know someone who knows someone" way, I've heard that us intel isn't necessarily missing anything, but frequently things are being brought up in meetings as new info where everyone in the room is like "yeah, that was on Reddit 8 hours ago". Getting data is never the bottleneck. Analyzing the data is the hard part, but even then the analysis isn't really going to help anyone unless you can use it to make an actionable plan, which takes further work.
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MikeC posted:They do, which makes their failures so far so preplexing. Their initial moves were either the result of incompetent planning, or insufficient planning due to a last minute decision to invade, or a failure to understand that the Ukrainians would actually fight instead of simply watching uncoordinated Russian columns move in with their mouths open. The Ukrainian military is in a completely different league to what is was in 2014. Russia expected the military to remain mostly passive and/or simply give up. So I don't think it is perplexing at all - their failure to understand the Ukrainian will and ability to defend against invasion is a product of an increasingly extremist and detached Chekist apex. In a strong Chekist state realists make sure things like don't happen. I am absolutely sure that there are plenty of Russian top brass that understood things perfectly - or at least were capable of considering the risk of this scenario. With things already devolved into in yes-men focusing on internal power struggles (Putin isn't young and quite possibly ill) over the best interests of the state, that didn't really matter. The scary thing, as I see it, is that if history had happened slightly different - no covid to come in the way of whatever Russian expansion moves were planned during the Trump years, no illness (body and/or mind) causing Putin to advance the timetable at present, and/or no Zelensky to galvanize Ukraine - then Russia might have had time and opportunity to grow into a much more formidable fascist empire. We're certainly not in the clear yet, and the ongoing tragedy in Ukraine should not be considered the inevitable price of Putin's madness. I refuse to accept that there is nothing the world can do but watch and send aid. NATO might unable to act, but that just shows that Europe cannot rely solely on NATO for stability and safety. The interests of the US and Europe do not always align fully - and priorities certainly do not. But that's a thing few predicted: this invasion seems to have set Europe on a fast-track path to increased militarization and a more unified foreign and security policy. Depending on how the coming months play out, we could be looking at a world shedding even more cold war legacy, and moving towards new constellations and balances of power.
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TulliusCicero posted:Hey man the VDV can only drop in so many places at once! Speaking of, there's another version of the song now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSzAnNU4u28
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Panzeh posted:I think the amphib ops are mostly a decoy, a la Desert Storm. Sure maybe that was the original plan but somewhere around trying and failing to call in Kazakhstan they may have changed their minds.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:A valid possibility, but if that's the case, why not blow it up at the start of hostilities instead of a week-and-a-half in? That gives more time to position your forces elsewhere and makes it safer to reposition. Because blowing up your own bridges just in case means you'll have to rebuild them later? Maybe the commander who gave the order didn't feel it was justified until now. It could also be taken as defeatism. Alternative theory could be that intelligence suggests that the Russian forces in Transnistria would try a supporting attack or something. The garrison there is not big but neither can be the Ukrainian forces guarding the border against them. If Russia was going to land troops at Odesa, they would then try to tie up some defenders. I'm just thinking aloud here, there is no basis for this from just one video. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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Captain Beans posted:I’ve heard a lot of hubbub about how US military has all this experience from Iraq/Afghanistan and that you need experience or your military becomes a joke. no, these were all comparatively tiny. Crimea and the breakaway regions didn't even require combat to take and Syria likely was the biggest source of recent experience and that was mostly airforce/armor. Georgia was 15 years ago.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:So will ATGM hit those big rear end ships? The ones like this? To chime in with a lot of other posters, oh yeah. The effective range on ATGMs and RPGs in this scenario would be pretty short, even against something as big as those ships, but if those ships come ashore they're never leaving  
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Nenonen posted:Drink name proposals: freedom fries 
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khwarezm posted:I mean it still counts in a dumb 'freedom fries' kind of way. But more personally a friend of mine has Russian family and he was saying that his in-laws have just kind of stopped speaking Russian in public because people keep hassling them about it. This is nothing new. One of my best friends is Sikh, and while he is largely nonpracticing, a lot of his family is. Apparently a lot of them were harassed to some extent post-9/11 due to wearing turbans and Americans assuming turban = Muslim = terrist at the time.
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smug n stuff posted:It’s very unlikely that this is true. Even if the big convoy is stalled, the Russians are still advancing towards Kyiv from the northeast and it’s still being shelled You can't reasonably take the western side of Kyiv from the east. Some of the bridges have already been dropped as a precaution, and the remaining ones are all probably very mined. The river is too wide to bridge, at least so long as there is a single mortar left in the city. CommieGIR posted:Russian tanks are about quantity over quality I think this is not really true. Russian tanks are more about mobility over protection, which fits their doctrine. For most of the cold war, Russian tanks were actually really good in comparison to the western ones, they just emphasized different values. Of course, now the problem is that mostly cold-war era tanks are facing very modern weaponry.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:these thugs are giant loving cowards. i have seen a couple videos of russian soldiers just wasting cars and ambulances and crowds because gently caress knows why. they should be thankful as gently caress the ukranians are treating their prisons mostly well so far. Near the end there will be much less reason to keep them alive....
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khwarezm posted:I mean it still counts in a dumb 'freedom fries' kind of way. But more personally a friend of mine has Russian family and he was saying that his in-laws have just kind of stopped speaking Russian in public because people keep hassling them about it. A pro-tip to follow is if an immigrant is living outside the country where that language is spoken, they might have issues with the situation in the country where that language is spoken. and are likely even more passionate about those issues than someone who learned about the existance of ukraine 2 weeks ago!
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Vampire Panties posted:To chime in with a lot of other posters, oh yeah. The effective range on ATGMs and RPGs in this scenario would be pretty short, even against something as big as those ships, but if those ships come ashore they're never leaving Do western forces have any land based dedicated anti ship launchers that would serve the same purpose a shore battery would in WW2?
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:So will ATGM hit those big rear end ships? The ones like this? Wow that ship is awesome looking. Evil, but awesome. The bow opens up like a mouth and tanks roll out the front?
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ZombieLenin posted:So take these guys, they are not wearing standard military camo kit/uniforms, but they have the arm band; therefore, if they are captured—even ‘behind’ Russian lines, they are legal combatants and cannot, ‘legally’ speaking anyway, be treated as spies or saboteurs, and must be treated as POWs with the full protections that implies.
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Nato is probabily providing real time aircraft info to Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt5j2mrXLks
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Apple Maps seem to have changed Russian Ministry of Defense to Ministry of Fascism. https://twitter.com/yasyapro/status/1499832667927416839
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So the Finnish president Niinistö is meeting with president Biden in the White House. Swedish prime minister and defence minister are coming to Helsinki to meet with the prime minister Marin and president Niinistö. Then Finnish defence minister is scheduled to meet with president Biden. Something is cooking, right? I will honor the Finnish tradition and not utter the N-word.
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the popes toes posted:Where on earth are you seeing that? Beyond goofballs taking vodka off the shelves? Unfortunately it is real and idiots are everywhere. Here is a vandalized Russian shop in Germany https://twitter.com/colonelhomsi/status/1499160168382275590?t=QJAebaGE3Lq2qGbYLvjTog&s=19
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kaaj posted:I’ve seen Russian citizens mocking the special military operation and replacing the word “war” with “special military operation” in random contexts Star Special Military Operations: A small band of freedom fighters combat an evil autocrat and his inept but significantly larger military.
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Triskelli posted:https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/french-poutinerie-tells-customers-it-s-not-linked-to-russian-president-after-threats-1.5804493 Every person in Canada knows what a poutine is, especially in Quebec. This makes no sense other than maybe people from outside the country getting confused. There's poutine places everywhere here.
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