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apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
The costume design on that mask makes me think this show will continue to be good.

Just the level seems to be higher on set design, costume design... all that...

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Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

AndyElusive posted:

I like how the self-destruct now activates with hardly any time for anyone on the ship to evacuate.

That default manufacturer password was pretty funny too, zero zero admin zero zero.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

apatheticman posted:

The costume design on that mask makes me think this show will continue to be good.

Just the level seems to be higher on set design, costume design... all that...

Bringing back Doug Drexler and Mike and Denise Okuda to temper John Eaves' bullshit and teach the new generation of production designers how to a make a Star Trek show that looks like Star Trek helped a HUGE deal it seems.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
Ask his royal highness Prince William of Bel-Air, famously said,

quote:

Ciga-cigar right from Cuba-Cuba
I just bite it
It's for the look I don't light it

Have you peasants never gotten jiggy with it?

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

My PIN is 4826 posted:

The hell kind of password is that supposed to be :catstare:

Zero, zero, zero, one. Stupid, stupid, stupid password!

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Those are legit some nice boots

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



Okay watched the latest Discovery and I was laughing at how bad it was. Specifically, Burnham's like "okay I'm gonna do something stupidly dangerous and filter in the pheromones!" *shows extreme euphoria, a high like never before* *everyone else immediately turns off their filters and gets high* "IT'S LIKE LOOOOOOVE"

loving :lol:

There's a dozen other hilariously stupid nitpicks to make, including the idea that you test chemicals on other sentient humanoids to figure out what emotion they all give, with the chemical you can't identify and have no idea what sort of side-effects it might have... but it's not even worth it. Show bad. However, you gotta love the originality of space jellyfish:

(Death Stranding)

DaveKap fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Mar 5, 2022

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

Watching Picard and Disco back to back really underscores how poorly made Disco is. The Picard premiere had my rapt attention the entire time, to catch all the little details and see what cool poo poo was going to happen next. Disco couldn't keep my attention even when the crew was in danger with the...baby emotion dust? A 45 minute episode that told us the 10-C have offspring and they care for them. Zzzzz

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

DaveKap posted:


There's a dozen other hilariously stupid nitpicks to make but it's not even worth it. Show bad. However, you gotta love the originality of space jellyfish:

(Death Stranding)

I mean that was hardly super original when they did it either

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Hard to say what the first space jellyfish is tbh. I don’t think TOS had one. There’s space amoeba but not jellyfish. Didn’t Asimov do something with cloud jellyfish on Jupiter?

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



The Bloop posted:

I mean that was hardly super original when they did it either
Oh 100% because even if Star Trek wasn't the first to do it, Death Stranding stole it from Star Trek first:

Shown here, the 10-C.

Raere posted:

Watching Picard and Disco back to back really underscores how poorly made Disco is. The Picard premiere had my rapt attention the entire time, to catch all the little details and see what cool poo poo was going to happen next. Disco couldn't keep my attention even when the crew was in danger with the...baby emotion dust? A 45 minute episode that told us the 10-C have offspring and they care for them. Zzzzz
At the start of Discovery when they're doing the "team assembles" imagery and Michael saying "I HAVE to be right" and everyone proudly walking down the hallways in their black armor suits, the only thought I had in my mind was: "I wonder if the showrunners for Picard, BNW, and Lower Decks are watching this and thinking to themselves, "I could do this so much better, gently caress this show sucks."" At the very least, Matalas had to have done the same with Picard S1.

DaveKap fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Mar 5, 2022

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
To be fair it's a perfectly obvious jump to go space is like ocean

Space SHIPS
SPACE NAVY

space whales
Space jellyfish
Space krill, whatever

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

It goes: army, navy, spacy.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Macross had space whales at least

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

DaveKap posted:


At the start of Discovery when they're doing the "team assembles" imagery and Michael saying "I HAVE to be right" and everyone proudly walking down the hallways in their black armor suits, the only thought I had in my mind was: "I wonder if the showrunners for Picard, BNW, and Lower Decks are watching this and thinking to themselves, "I could do this so much better, gently caress this show sucks."" At the very least, Matalas had to have done the same with Picard S1.

I'm sure all they do is complain in a circle all week about how bad the last episode was and how bad everything in it is and then repeat the process the next week

blastron
Dec 11, 2007

Don't doodle on it!


On a second watchthrough to pick up more detail, I couldn't help but notice that there were a lot of jump cuts in Picard's speech in the academy. It felt almost like that style of YouTube video where the editor cuts out pauses to make it punchier. I wonder if Patrick Stewart's performance was too slow and stately and they needed to trim it back?

Mal-3
Oct 21, 2008

skasion posted:

Hard to say what the first space jellyfish is tbh. I don’t think TOS had one. There’s space amoeba but not jellyfish. Didn’t Asimov do something with cloud jellyfish on Jupiter?

Arthur C. Clarke did that in 2010, riffing off a hypothetical Carl Sagan suggested in Cosmos, IIRC.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


It was pretty funny that the entire point of Picard S1 was that JL had spent a decade moping after the Romulan debacle and needed to get back out there and start living again, and then this season starts with his now mysteriously single Romulan would-be girlfriend telling Picard that he needs to stop always moving forward and settle down.

It was also funny that they had to make up reasons why two separate immortal characters just decided to be old now. I hope they meet again and as well as us of course getting to see Guinan do that weird cat claw hand thing again, they can chat about how stupid they were for not staying perpetually young.

It was really good though! I especially enjoyed the new Borg Vagina, or perhaps more accurately a Borg Pussy, which should obviously be abbreviated to “bussy”.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Raere posted:

Watching Picard and Disco back to back really underscores how poorly made Disco is. The Picard premiere had my rapt attention the entire time, to catch all the little details and see what cool poo poo was going to happen next. Disco couldn't keep my attention even when the crew was in danger with the...baby emotion dust? A 45 minute episode that told us the 10-C have offspring and they care for them. Zzzzz
Yeah I watched Picard first yesterday, then just finished the newest Disco a little while ago, and it's jarring how bad Disco has gotten. My lord. It's just terminally boring.

Someone needs to count how many times they've done some version of this conversation:

Book: 'We have to stop the DMA at any cost because it blew up my planet and I don't want that to happen to anyone else'

Michael/Other Character: 'No Book, we have to try and make peaceful contact first'

It's been multiple times in every episode since they went on break. We get it already.

I'm also sick and tired of Book giving Tarka the benefit of the doubt when he's a huge piece of poo poo and continues to be a huge piece of poo poo who just does dumber and dumber things all the time. Two episodes ago he blew up the DMA, potentially dooming Earth and Ni'Var, and now he's taking hostages. This guy isn't remotely trustworthy! He's made it abundantly clear that he doesn't care about anything except going to this other universe. Which means he's going to kill or endanger other lives because they mean nothing to him. He's not a good guy. I'm already preparing myself for him somehow getting what he wants at the end of the season despite him not deserving it at all, because this is the 'everyone is nice, all the time' show.

Drink-Mix Man
Mar 4, 2003

You are an odd fellow, but I must say... you throw a swell shindig.

Comrade Fakename posted:

It was pretty funny that the entire point of Picard S1 was that JL had spent a decade moping after the Romulan debacle and needed to get back out there and start living again, and then this season starts with his now mysteriously single Romulan would-be girlfriend telling Picard that he needs to stop always moving forward and settle down.

S1 was also about him learning how to make meaningful connections with individuals, so it still tracks.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


nine-gear crow posted:

Bringing back Doug Drexler and Mike and Denise Okuda to temper John Eaves' bullshit and teach the new generation of production designers how to a make a Star Trek show that looks like Star Trek helped a HUGE deal it seems.

well and also relaxed Covid protocols during post probably helps a ton

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG



That last shot really locates Bordeaux in Riverside

A fine Star Trek tradition

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Comrade Fakename posted:

It was also funny that they had to make up reasons why two separate immortal characters just decided to be old now. I hope they meet again and as well as us of course getting to see Guinan do that weird cat claw hand thing again, they can chat about how stupid they were for not staying perpetually young.

The Q one was great, I didn't need the Guinan explanation.

That said I thought that scene was fantastic, both actors slid right back into those roles like a pair of old boots, and it definitely doesn't seem like the direction of the season is going to be interested in trying to explain Guinan's deal which was one of my worries about having her there. Love seeing her back, don't need any backstory or attempts to explain her.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Finally got around to watching Discovery, it was bad. I keep watching it but I don't know why. I think I need to watch Picard again so pick up any things I missed the first time. Also, if this is going to be a wacky alternate timeline thing, can we please get Samuel Clemens back? Mark Twain, Picard, and Guinan goofin around in San Francisco.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I'm curious to see what the DMA aliens end up being. When we got to the Burn explanation last season it was... I dunno if it was good, but it was loving weird and interesting at least, I didn't hate it. I dunno if it worked but it's so rare Disco actually tries, I appreciated the attempt. And the visuals were spectacularly well done at least. I'm wondering if they'll do that again or it'll be extremely dumb.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Cojawfee posted:

Finally got around to watching Discovery, it was bad. I keep watching it but I don't know why. I think I need to watch Picard again so pick up any things I missed the first time. Also, if this is going to be a wacky alternate timeline thing, can we please get Samuel Clemens back? Mark Twain, Picard, and Guinan goofin around in San Francisco.

Jerry Hardin is like 92 and has appeared in all of one project in the past 12 years.

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



Charity Porno posted:

I'm sure all they do is complain in a circle all week about how bad the last episode was and how bad everything in it is and then repeat the process the next week
I know you're joking but poo poo talking people who do your profession worse than you is absolutely a thing that happens all the time.

Speaking of which, the doctor guy who had to be told to learn some tact was the best character until he was told to learn some tact.

Grand Fromage posted:

I'm curious to see what the DMA aliens end up being. When we got to the Burn explanation last season it was... I dunno if it was good, but it was loving weird and interesting at least, I didn't hate it. I dunno if it worked but it's so rare Disco actually tries, I appreciated the attempt. And the visuals were spectacularly well done at least. I'm wondering if they'll do that again or it'll be extremely dumb.
I'm equally curious despite thinking the Burn explanation felt dumber than "someone made a bomb but it blew up the wrong way" and couldn't truck with it. Random alien psychic bullshit doesn't work for me as a season-long answer, that's way more of a single episode answer.

I am really interested in seeing 10-C be the giant jellyfish from Farpoint, though. When you consider they were transforming to become entire cities, building Dyson rings is entirely within their grasp.

...and the fact that this power source they're looking for is greater than what a dyson ring gathers, and that a dyson ring couldn't power a jump to an alternate dimension within a lore that'd done it more on cheaper, is extremely wild. I'll give them a benefit of a doubt on this one, though, since the alternate universe that they actively try to go to is usually just the mirror universe, so pinning down "home" would require some new method of dimension jumping.

DaveKap fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Mar 5, 2022

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Timby posted:

Jerry Hardin is like 92 and has appeared in all of one project in the past 12 years.

Can't we just get one quick "Hooo heh hah!" from him or something.

Actual Satan
Mar 14, 2017

Keep on partying!

You'll NEVER regret it!

Trust ME!


Are the flags at the academy ceremony all federation members? I think there were Bajoran, Ferengi, and Klingon ones.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

Actual Satan posted:

Are the flags at the academy ceremony all federation members? I think there were Bajoran, Ferengi, and Klingon ones.

They may be the flags for cadets who have graduated. We know all three had members in Starfleet by the time of the speech.

Wee Bairns
Feb 10, 2004

Jack Tripper's wingman.

I kinda liked the destruct code being the exact same as from TOS and The Search for Spock.

ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.

So uhhh...Season 2 Episode 1 of Picard had no story. There were no arcs. Just a whole bunch of tablesetting. And about three scenes too many of "Picard, you have to open your heart!"

Maybe that's what they felt they had to do but individual episodes of TV should at least have some sort of story to resolve. Where was it? That was not compelling to me. I guess the more Star Trekky feel was a little more compelling but only in the way that porn is compelling, it's surface and facile and it stops being interesting aa soon as you're finished with it.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!
I haven't seen any of Picard yet, but I just realised my TV has the Prime Video app built in. So, knowing what I do about season 1 (Mars goes kaboom, androids blamed, Picard gets new crew, Romulan treachery, ex-Borgs, eye ripping, Seven turns up, Mass Effect aliens from another dimension, Riker rikers up with a Ctrl-V fleet, golem Picard), do I actually need to have watched any of it, or can I drop straight into 2x01 and have anything vital exposited at me?

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Payndz posted:

I haven't seen any of Picard yet, but I just realised my TV has the Prime Video app built in. So, knowing what I do about season 1 (Mars goes kaboom, androids blamed, Picard gets new crew, Romulan treachery, ex-Borgs, eye ripping, Seven turns up, Mass Effect aliens from another dimension, Riker rikers up with a Ctrl-V fleet, golem Picard), do I actually need to have watched any of it, or can I drop straight into 2x01 and have anything vital exposited at me?
Nope, you can skip S1

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.

ashpanash posted:

So uhhh...Season 2 Episode 1 of Picard had no story. There were no arcs. Just a whole bunch of tablesetting. And about three scenes too many of "Picard, you have to open your heart!"

Maybe that's what they felt they had to do but individual episodes of TV should at least have some sort of story to resolve. Where was it? That was not compelling to me. I guess the more Star Trekky feel was a little more compelling but only in the way that porn is compelling, it's surface and facile and it stops being interesting aa soon as you're finished with it.

I gave up 35 minutes in, I'll finish the episode eventually but it was just so dull. Not aggressively bad, but certainly inauspicious.

Maybe once ep 2 is out I'll pick it up again and see if there's anything that hooks me. But that's all the chances it's getting.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Those are legit some nice boots



drat they are! I must have them.

DaveKap posted:


Shown here, the 10-C.

Oh god it might genuinely be this.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Comrade Fakename posted:

It was pretty funny that the entire point of Picard S1 was that JL had spent a decade moping after the Romulan debacle and needed to get back out there and start living again, and then this season starts with his now mysteriously single Romulan would-be girlfriend telling Picard that he needs to stop always moving forward and settle down.

I'd assumed he died on camera and I didn't remember it (and if I didn't remember it, it was probably during an intense firefight with a lot else going on) until I looked it up his (Zhaban's) entry on the wiki

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Mar 5, 2022

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
I'm glad it wasn't just me who was confused. He was alive and well last time we saw him in season 1.

But, sure enough, reading the wiki:

quote:

Some time shortly after the Zhat Vash attack on Château Picard, Zhaban passed away under circumstances that have not been detailed. Admiral Picard and Laris, Zhaban’s widow, reminisced about him while celebrating the end of the growing season in 2401. At that point, Zhaban had been dead roughly a year and a half.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

weird, I had the same assumption since I skipped a lot of s1

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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Megillah Gorilla posted:

I'm glad it wasn't just me who was confused. He was alive and well last time we saw him in season 1.

But, sure enough, reading the wiki:

Yea he was literally killed offscreen so Picard can get a love interest lol

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