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Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

piL posted:

Better to use the much more humanizing titles: conscripts, a squad, some Russian soldiers, etc.

Or at the absolute minimum, Ivanы

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Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

ZombieLenin posted:

So my mom just called me. She’s a 71 year old progressive Democrat and she called me to tell me:

“I wish we would just set up a no-fly-zone already. If we have to go to war with Russia we might as well do it before your son and your brother’s son are military age.”

My reply was, “I prefer that we don’t all die in a nuclear holocaust if that’s okay…”

To which she responded, “meh, I am not that worried about it. Probably because I am closer to dying than you are.”

This phone call was probably the most concerning thing I’ve encountered since the was started. :tif:

Get that mom an account


Alchenar posted:

He's making a list, he's checking it twice

https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1500182315112321028

e: who knew that starting a war would negatively impact people's perception of your country!

It needs to be said again that Putin justified the war with killing Nazis and is so far levelling the most russian-speaking cities of Ukraine

This is after 2014 when he turned the russian-speaking cities of Donetsk and Lugansk into fallout-esque bandit shitholes

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007


ZombieLenin posted:

So my mom just called me. She’s a 71 year old progressive Democrat and she called me to tell me:

“I wish we would just set up a no-fly-zone already. If we have to go to war with Russia we might as well do it before your son and your brother’s son are military age.”

My reply was, “I prefer that we don’t all die in a nuclear holocaust if that’s okay…”

To which she responded, “meh, I am not that worried about it. Probably because I am closer to dying than you are.”

This phone call was probably the most concerning thing I’ve encountered since the was started. :tif:

As an older Gen Xer this whole thing is giving me bad flashbacks to duck and cover drills in middle school in the 70s and everyone freaking out when The Day After first aired.

Fatalistic boomers willing to let the world burn because they're dreading their own mortality is not improving the experience.

Smeef
Aug 15, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



Pillbug

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

For some reason fascists always think that terrorizing people who *can* shoot back wilk work out the same way as terrorizing people who can't.

Survivor bias in action

Kamrat
Nov 27, 2012

Thanks for playing Alone in the dark 2.

Now please fuck off

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

You think all those artillerymen are getting spooked and "accidentally" bombarding a city, and accurately hitting the one supposedly safe evac route? :cmon:

I don't believe that they are spooked, I believe that they think they can get away with it and are taking revenge for their fallen comrades, if they fought soldiers from the city before they might feel justified taking out a bus full of people just because some other people fought back.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that it would explain why it happened.

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

Pretty sure Russia has a documented history of pulling this exact same poo poo before.

I don't get what they would gain by doing this if it's orders from higher up as I believe it does is make the people inside the city fight even harder because they now know for sure that they wouldn't get a fair treatment even if they didn't fight, it just serves as a justification to fight to the last man standing since there's no possibility of surrendering without getting murdered anyway.

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Looks like credit cards will no longer be a thing in Russia very soon

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-05/visa-suspends-all-russia-operations-l0eegccn?srnd=premium-europe

quote:

Visa Inc. is suspending its Russia operations and all transactions initiated with its cards issued in the country will no longer work abroad.

Any Visa cards issued by financial institutions outside of Russia will also no longer work within the country, the company said in a statement Saturday.

“We are compelled to act following Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, and the unacceptable events that we have witnessed,” said Al Kelly, chairman and chief executive officer.

“We regret the impact this will have on our valued colleagues, and on the clients, partners, merchants and cardholders we serve in Russia. This war and the ongoing threat to peace and stability demand we respond in line with our values.”

I'd expect Mastercard to follow suit shortly if they haven't already

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

steinrokkan posted:

The idea that a whole artillery unit just happened to miss the memo that there was a cease fire between this and this hour - it's just absurd apologia or wishful thinking trying to find a charitable chain of events

To be honest, given their state of logistics, it wouldn't surprise me if some of the squads lost all communication networks and are just mindlessly lashing out at anything that moves.
If the so called ceasefire wasn't broadcasted properly, that's not the fault of the foot soldiers but rather the high command.
Tat being said, I absolutely think that some soldiers shot in there knowing full well what's going on and some commanders might have even ordered them to do that.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Hannibal Rex posted:

It's been a bit that I watched it, so i might get some of his wording wrong, but a pretty glaring mistake he makes is that he conflates America and the EU as "the West". It's easy to declare Russia a regional power that's of no threat to America, and that the real focus of America should be on China. But Russia and Ukraine are very much an existential issue to Europe. Either Europe expands democracy East, or Russia expands authoritarianism West. It's been the assumption that Europe can afford to be patient, eventually Russia would acculturate, and Ukraine could serve as a bridge between them in the meantime. Putin has categorically taken that option of the table, as long as he and his clique remain in power. Europe really, really can't ignore that.

Mearsheimer seems to think America can afford to ignore Russia and abandon Europe, in order to focus on China.

The problem with his brand of realism is that he pulls way, way back in a lot of things because that's pretty normal IR, which then ends up reducing his insight to 'putin probably won't like it if its neighbors are not subjugated', which is like 'no poo poo' level analysis that doesn't really add anything. Anything more specific than that, he's just not interested in because IR is really bad at it.

javi
Jun 5, 2004

Silly yes ... Idiotic ... yes.!
Visa and Mastercard are out!

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1500234200913518599

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

For some reason fascists always think that terrorizing people who *can* shoot back wilk work out the same way as terrorizing people who can't.

:umberto:
(Although I have no idea if the relevant part of the interview is in the emote)

vuk83
Oct 9, 2012

steinrokkan posted:

The idea that a whole artillery unit just happened to miss the memo that there was a cease fire between this and this hour - it's just absurd apologia or wishful thinking trying to find a charitable chain of events

Why not. There are indications that Russian command and control is in shambles

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Chalks posted:

Looks like credit cards will no longer be a thing in Russia very soon

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-05/visa-suspends-all-russia-operations-l0eegccn?srnd=premium-europe

I'd expect Mastercard to follow suit shortly if they haven't already

Are there no domestic alternatives? I know Mastercard and Visa are very much dominant but they can't be the only credit card companies out there.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Family Values posted:

As an older Gen Xer this whole thing is giving me bad flashbacks to duck and cover drills in middle school in the 70s and everyone freaking out when The Day After first aired.

Fatalistic boomers willing to let the world burn because they're dreading their own mortality is not improving the experience.

It does suck we are on to another 50 years of worrying about nuclear war with Russia. “Just do it already” is crazy but god poo poo or get off the pot already

Mr-Spain
Aug 27, 2003

Bullshit... you can be mine.

Chalks posted:

Looks like credit cards will no longer be a thing in Russia very soon

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-05/visa-suspends-all-russia-operations-l0eegccn?srnd=premium-europe

I'd expect Mastercard to follow suit shortly if they haven't already

Be a might perturbed if I was still stuck there and all I had was my plastic with me.

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
Isn't Mearsheimer like the most influential authority of the modern school of Realism in International Relations? If he's somehow a deep cover Russian plant, that would be insane.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

ZombieLenin posted:

Phone typing w/autocorrect. Sorry.

Don't apologize. That was an autocorrect fuckup to be proud of.

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Mar 5, 2022

nutri_void
Apr 18, 2015

I shall devour your soul.
Grimey Drawer

DaysBefore posted:

Are there no domestic alternatives? I know Mastercard and Visa are very much dominant but they can't be the only credit card companies out there.

Yeah it's called "Mir" (translates as either "world" or "peace")
I don't think it works anywhere outside Russia

Rapulum_Dei
Sep 7, 2009

steinrokkan posted:

The idea that a whole artillery unit just happened to miss the memo that there was a cease fire between this and this hour - it's just absurd apologia or wishful thinking trying to find a charitable chain of events

On the other hand if it turns out the Russian army is as inconceivably incompetent as it now appears maybe they were in previous conflicts too…

I don’t really believe this btw. You can’t blame cheap retail radios or poor logistics - it’s a deliberate malicious attack on defenceless civilians trying to get to safety.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

tagesschau posted:

Is there a difference between these two? The STEP e-mail from the Ottawa embassy about the invocation of the Emergencies Act several weeks ago came 20+ hours after the fact, even though it was plastered all over the news from the moment it happened, so I'm not convinced that those alerts are sent in a reliably timely fashion.

No, no difference. The dumbos at the embassy have to "clear" the message with Washington first, before they send it out. So, yeah, it's not as timely as one would hope for.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Isn't Mearsheimer like the most influential authority of the modern school of Realism in International Relations? If he's somehow a deep cover Russian plant, that would be insane.

He's not a russian plant, he's just really dumb because his brand of Realism only has insights for complete morons.

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

Chalks posted:

Looks like credit cards will no longer be a thing in Russia very soon

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-05/visa-suspends-all-russia-operations-l0eegccn?srnd=premium-europe

I'd expect Mastercard to follow suit shortly if they haven't already

Has any country been this suddenly cut off from the world-wide economy? Did Visa/Mastercard work in Iraq during 2003?

Being in Russia during this must be absolutely bonkers.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007



Finally, Discover's time has come! You got this!

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Isn't Mearsheimer like the most influential authority of the modern school of Realism in International Relations? If he's somehow a deep cover Russian plant, that would be insane.

A) realism is all post ad hoc justification, it can be whatever you want it to be, that's why it's garbage

B) realism really needs a belligerent Russia throwing weight around it's sphere of influence in order to sell the idea that all countries naturally act this way. He is invested in the idea that Russia is strong and a legit near peer adversary.

You see a lot of B from the think tank and defense studies types right now as well. They are invested in the myth of Russia.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Isn't Mearsheimer like the most influential authority of the modern school of Realism in International Relations? If he's somehow a deep cover Russian plant, that would be insane.

Yes, the campaign against him is incredibly idiotic, he's been consistent for decades and he's a known quantity for anybody with even a cursory experience in international relations. I don't agree with his theory, but the whole field is based entirely on polemic, and he's been an important and transparent part of it.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

DaysBefore posted:

Are there no domestic alternatives? I know Mastercard and Visa are very much dominant but they can't be the only credit card companies out there.

Are debit cards commonly used in Russia? In Germany, a really small subset of people actually uses a credit card, because it gives you pretty much the same options as your regular bank card. The only reason that I have one is the fact that it can be easier for international payments like for example to some weird online forum which demands an entry fee. Being unable to use a credit card here would be inconvenient for many, but hardly world changing.
Then again, on the whole, Germans prefer good old cash anyway.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

DaysBefore posted:

Are there no domestic alternatives? I know Mastercard and Visa are very much dominant but they can't be the only credit card companies out there.

finally, it's discover card's time to shine

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY

cant cook creole bream posted:

Are debit cards a commonly used in Russia? In Germany, a really small subset of people actually uses a credit card, because it gives you pretty much the same options as your regular bank card. The only reason I have one is the fact that it can be easier for international payments like for example to some weird online forum which demands an entry fee. Being unable to use a credit card here would be inconvenient for many, but hardly world changing.

Debit cards are still a Visa or Mastercard/other. They're the ones that actually handle the transaction between the merchant and your bank account.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


cant cook creole bream posted:

Are debit cards commonly used in Russia? In Germany, a really small subset of people actually uses a credit card, because it gives you pretty much the same options as your regular bank card. The only reason that I have one is the fact that it can be easier for international payments like for example to some weird online forum which demands an entry fee. Being unable to use a credit card here would be inconvenient for many, but hardly world changing.

Do you not get points for paying with credit?

Thom12255 posted:

Debit cards are still a Visa or Mastercard/other.

Also this. Visa and Mastercard aren't credit companies per se. They're transaction providers. The bank on your Visa credit card is actually issuing you the credit. Visa is just facilitating the transaction.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

cant cook creole bream posted:

Are debit cards commonly used in Russia? In Germany, a really small subset of people actually uses a credit card, because it gives you pretty much the same options as your regular bank card. The only reason that I have one is the fact that it can be easier for international payments like for example to some weird online forum which demands an entry fee. Being unable to use a credit card here would be inconvenient for many, but hardly world changing.

But debit cards are also Visa / Master?

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

While I hope the Nazi menace is absolutely annihilated. I'm fairly afraid of what happens after this conflict. The stabbed in the back narrative is literally readily seen by Russians now. In ten years they will have blurry memories of these things and just remember the suffering the west caused. The crackdown brings forth a new and more insane thing to deal with for the Russian people. I while heartily hope they can embrace socialism and de capitalize their insanely corrupt country. But it doesn't seem like that's in the works yet. The more likely thing is that the country will slip further into ultra nationalism. The question is will they be more or less effective at military projection larger than 1000 guys

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

DaysBefore posted:

Are there no domestic alternatives? I know Mastercard and Visa are very much dominant but they can't be the only credit card companies out there.

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1500238754438594564

There's a remaining 26% who are someone else, but I don't know how many of the others are domestic or foreign ones that will stick around (also not entirely sure what the definition of "payment transaction" is for this purpose--credit card payments? something broader?).

Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Mar 5, 2022

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer
Curious what percentage of transactions use credit/debit. A lot of countries are still mostly cash based (looking at you Japan), but I have no idea what Russia's deal is.

EDIT: For non-Americans' context, I'd bet the majority of Americans rarely use cash anymore. I probably have paid for something in cash maybe once or twice in the past six months.

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

FishBulbia posted:

No, he's just a neorealist contrarian. These people only know him because they saw that Youtube video with 8 million views of a lecture he gave once.

Kenneth Waltz was always more eloquent anyway.

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

ronya posted:

Russia has a severe case of resource curse, it's the no. 1 world example due to the visibility that Gazprom has in its politics and media

Yep, this is very true and IMO an underappreciated point. Some countries like Norway and the Netherlands, and even the UK, have managed to mitigate it, but unfortunately Russia never quite did

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

By this logic we'll have to ban people from saying Yankees, Aussies, Canucks, Brits...

Perhaps it could be argued that slurs are not quite as bad when employed against well-off rich people like septics and... hmm

What's a slur for a Finn? I'm kinda sad there doesn't seem to be any :v:

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

steinrokkan posted:

The idea that a whole artillery unit just happened to miss the memo that there was a cease fire between this and this hour - it's just absurd apologia or wishful thinking trying to find a charitable chain of events

you're assuming there was a memo

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

China can come into Russia and turn the country even more capitalist with the Russian economy tied to cheap Chinese credit.

gently caress

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

https://twitter.com/fake_biden/status/1500200963872722944

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Sir John Falstaff posted:

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1500238754438594564

There's a remaining 26% who are someone else, but I don't know how many of the others are domestic or foreign ones that will stick around.

Gonna be a challenge to issue new cards to 3/4 of your population with sanctions in place I'd imagine.

This adds a really interesting dimension to the bank runs. If cards don't work any more and everyone suddenly needs cash, ATMs are going to run out real quick.

go play outside Skyler
Nov 7, 2005


cant cook creole bream posted:

Are debit cards commonly used in Russia? In Germany, a really small subset of people actually uses a credit card, because it gives you pretty much the same options as your regular bank card. The only reason that I have one is the fact that it can be easier for international payments like for example to some weird online forum which demands an entry fee. Being unable to use a credit card here would be inconvenient for many, but hardly world changing.
Then again, on the whole, Germans prefer good old cash anyway.

Don't know about Germany or Russia but the two main debit cards in Switzerland are V-Pay and Maestro and can you guess the name of the companies that own them? Hint: starts with V and the other with M

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Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

It does suck we are on to another 50 years of worrying about nuclear war with Russia. “Just do it already” is crazy but god poo poo or get off the pot already

Seriously though, we are nearing the point where an actual functional strategic missile defense system is no longer a pipe dream. Thus, there are now two ways out of this worrying.

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