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Blurred posted:It seems consistent with a lot of the other noise coming out of Belarus. I've been trying to come up with explanations for why Belarus had a huge mobilization and was obviously supposed to enter Ukraine but hasn't despite the situation getting desperate for Russia. I'm not sure if the story of military commanders refusing to fight is true or would be the entire story if it was. If the entire lynchpin of the plan was that VDV assault on Hostomel resulting in the capture of Kyiv then things might make a little more sense. In that case the timeline would have been 1.) Assault and seize Hostomel 2.) Use airport to land massive army next to Kyiv 3.) Seize Kyiv and overthrow the government the first night 4.) Have New Ukrainian Government order itself to stand down and let Russia take eastern territory from anyone who tried to stop them THEN have the new Ukrainian government request assistance from Belarus or have Belarus claim to be worried about it's own security to send in peacekeeping forces to help pacify any pockets of resistance. Maybe Belarus was even supposed to take a secondary role in the capture of Kyiv once the airport was taken and the Russian forces were in place. A lack of Belarus supplied logistics could be a missing piece to explain why northern Russians are out of gas and starving. Instead Russia failed at Step #1 and started stumbling around confused during a full scale invasion. Repeated assaults on Hostomel (3 or 4 by now) have been destroyed so they never achieved the point of the entire conflict and instead of a support role Belarus would be involved in the front lines of a full scale hot war absorbing Javelins, NLAWs and Drone Strikes to try and stop Russia from losing thousands of troops and vehicles. So it could be that they can't achieve the objectives that were supposed to clear the way for Belarus to act in a different capacity other than front line combat or that Belarus itself really did refuse to enter the war period once they saw how it was going. It could be both. They mobilized as a show of strength to drive around some tanks and do logistics for a Russian occupation on their border but once Day 2 dawned and Russia was getting obliterated having failed in ending the war the first night they could have been hesitant to jump in there. Russia could have been holding them in reserve for a retry of Hostomel which failed multiple more times and then all of the sanctions and bloodshed are making them refuse to come get torn to shreds with Russia. I'm curious what actually is happening. If Russia could just force them to do anything it wanted you would think they'd be throwing their forces at that stupid loving airport in Kyiv to try and end this instead of sitting across the border with a mobilized invasion force sitting idle. All they've really done is launch some missiles early on.
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That burnt out riot police convoy near Kharkiv, the one with the piles of riot shields and helmets, was apparently the entire OMON of Vladimir and there were no survivors. https://twitter.com/balticjam/status/1500446154676391941?t=Mgvv13G6JbAw9ZAF3wddPQ&s=19
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Thom12255 posted:Trump has interesting war strategies. China well known for having a fleet of F-22's stationed in Poland. Oh yes, the infamous sneak attack.
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Charlz Guybon posted:How much longer can this go on before complete logistical collapse on the part of the Russians? Didn't know they still use D-30s, when I was in the army the staff said those sport/exercise/show model, and the fighting would be done with 2A36 Giatsint-B. Its weird that they have the ammunition all over the place, but one gun has them in a neat pile like they should be. Also really lovely position, they are not expecting any kind of resistance.
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a podcast for cats posted:That burnt out riot police convoy near Kharkiv, the one with the piles of riot shields and helmets, was apparently the entire OMON of Vladimir and there were no survivors. Huh.. I thought Putin was lying about denazification, but maybe there's some accidental truth to it
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I've seen video/photos of a massive fireball said to be rising from the Vinnytsia Airport so I'm inclined to believe this is accurate https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1500449834712584197?t=xq5xClKhGnz50n5MEuguGw&s=19 Photo: https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1500446869385842693?t=EiAeRtTyx7GUJqXy5Acs-w&s=19 Video: spoilered, but it's taken from very far away - smoke rising from the airport https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1500438696897753090?t=GBzmywm73H73ZvU7o5yf-A&s=19 KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Mar 6, 2022 |
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notaspy posted:Wtf is an OMON They're the riot police thugs.
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notaspy posted:Wtf is an OMON Part of Russia's National Guard, kinda military police.
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notaspy posted:Wtf is an OMON Russian cops specializing in beating up protesters.
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Beefeater1980 posted:FT has been reporting same thing; they’re pretty solid at vetting their sources. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1500456912952905728 idly wondering if they'll repaint them first?
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notaspy posted:Wtf is an OMON The OG homonazis 
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KitConstantine posted:I've seen video/photos of a massive fireball said to be rising from the Vinnytsia Airport so I'm inclined to believe this is accurate Destroying airfields is definitely a short term gain for Russia. They can be patched very, very quickly as soon as the Russians look away. Even massive craters. Set up an ad hoc tower and they can be back in limited operation in hours to days.
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Randarkman posted:Oh yes, the infamous sneak attack. I’d criticize his obvious failure at recognizing that the F-22 is not a fighter-bomber platform, but the man just wants to distract attention from his longtime ties to Putin.
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KozmoNaut posted:Part of Russia's National Guard, kinda military police. Yeah, but how big? Platoon? Company?
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Dirt5o8 posted:Destroying airfields is definitely a short term gain for Russia. They can be patched very, very quickly as soon as the Russians look away. Even massive craters. Set up an ad hoc tower and they can be back in limited operation in hours to days.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Yeah, but how big? Platoon? Company? About 42 000 Thankfully some are being burned in Ukraine right now
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Wait what? Why were they sending cops into a war zone?PerilPastry posted:I read somewhere that the next batch of F 16s is supposedly reserved for Taiwan and the Pentagon is reluctant to divert it Kaal posted:I’d criticize his obvious failure at recognizing that the F-22 is not a fighter-bomber platform, but the man just wants to distract attention from his longtime ties to Putin.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:My understanding is that they tried but Ukrainian rail stations and lines are built like bomb shelters, so it didn't do much good. Rail stations are above ground and like not guarded at all. You’re thinking of the subway stations in Kyiv.
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mobby_6kl posted:Wait what? Why were they sending cops into a war zone? They've been doing it since the beginning. Theory is either the plan included suppression of protests or they don't have enough soldiers so they're backfilling their numbers with cops or both.
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mobby_6kl posted:Wait what? Why were they sending cops into a war zone? Occupation and pacification
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mobby_6kl posted:Wait what? Why were they sending cops into a war zone? Pacification of civilian protests with the assumption of no armed resistance probably. There was an earlier article that some riot police convoy from another city just tried driving into Kyiv on the first day of the invasion and got completely taken out.
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mobby_6kl posted:Wait what? Why were they sending cops into a war zone? I've seen speculation that they want to send them into cities they control or have a strong foothold in so that soldiers can be moved out. Riot cops already have a lot of practice beating the poo poo out of people who look like them, conscripts don't In other news report that Russia is doubling down on Z as a symbol for support of the war https://twitter.com/CarlSchreck/status/1500441758588624898?t=oECsW7vU8r7rlKuHnjCdTQ&s=19
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Yeah the riot police are being bussed in to places like Kherson to keep the protestors in check and prevent a civilian uprising so the army units doing occupation work can move on.
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mobby_6kl posted:Wait what? Why were they sending cops into a war zone? Does Russia have military police? Military police are part of logistics
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mobby_6kl posted:Wait what? Why were they sending cops into a war zone? The Chinese emblems wouldn't be invisible. 
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Holy poo poo - evidence that it's now Russian army policy to try to obscure the amount of dead soldiers including by putting the bodies in mass graves rather than sending them home https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1500189245838929924?t=_bD4ZebTqQxMnx129-vo-Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1500192205763395593?t=gbi3UKRaH_dbkhHzE7wolQ&s=19
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mobby_6kl posted:Wait what? Why were they sending cops into a war zone? Yeah, this is another one of those confusing issues with Russia's execution. I'd assume riot cops were always part of the original plan to "peace keep" while the army moves on to different hotspots. but did the bad plan call for riot cops at a pre-determined time or goal and they were just sent through an active warzone with heavy fighting because the plan is ignorant of conditions on the ground? Did a military commander call for the riot cops when they shouldn't have? Was that to try and impress his superiors with progress on a stalled front or was it an actual mistake in judgement? Having an entire convoy of street cops get massacred in a tank battle is strange. a podcast for cats posted:Pacification of civilian protests with the assumption of no armed resistance probably. This would suggest it's just the bad plan throwing police into the first stages of a full scale invasion because they wildly misjudged the conflict. Behind the police would be a convoy of carpenters and furniture movers to setup Putin's summer home in Kyiv. Rectal Death Adept fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Mar 6, 2022 |
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Are there any unfortunate clothing companies with a prominent “Z” logo? That analyst is right in that it’s slowly gonna turn out to be Putin Russia’s Swastika symbol.
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KitConstantine posted:I've seen speculation that they want to send them into cities they control or have a strong foothold in so that soldiers can be moved out. Riot cops already have a lot of practice beating the poo poo out of people who look like them, conscripts don't Ah, latinization of the alphabet - one letter at a time.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Are there any unfortunate clothing companies with a prominent “Z” logo? That analyst is right in that it’s slowly gonna turn out to be Putin Russia’s Swastika symbol. Nissan has a hotly anticipated sports car coming up that's named Z.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Are there any unfortunate clothing companies with a prominent “Z” logo? That analyst is right in that it’s slowly gonna turn out to be Putin Russia’s Swastika symbol. 
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mobby_6kl posted:Wait what? Why were they sending cops into a war zone? https://twitter.com/citeam_en/status/1497573785414901760
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Looks like they're gonna try and pivot back to blaming NATO some more Posted at 16:19 Moscow time https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1500461181185708034?t=eKeO3DOUN5TjL18wH8bKvw&s=19 The Telegram in this tweet was posted at 16:12 Moscow time https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1500461309573410819?t=EBM2rh_PosGR6rTw_n6L9A&s=19
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PerilPastry posted:I read somewhere that the next batch of F 16s is supposedly reserved for Taiwan and the Pentagon is reluctant to divert it As already said that seems highly unlikely to be an issue. The aircraft they'd give Poland wouldn't be new of the factory line, but picked from the massive stock of F-16 being replaced by F-35s, including if any other NATO country have a batch that suits their needs. The airframes they replace with doesn't need to have 30 years of life in them, just enough to work as a stopgap right now.
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