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rally posted:Any opinions here on over employment? Haven’t seen it really talked about. I’m just curious, certainly not something I’m ready to consider. What's your noncompetition clause look like?
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I’m being a poo poo. N/m 
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rally posted:Any opinions here on over employment? Haven’t seen it really talked about. I’m just curious, certainly not something I’m ready to consider. Most places I've worked have a clause buried in the employment contract that all other jobs must be cleared with HR first. That gives them the ability to terminate you if they find out about secret side-employment. I've done it, but only in the context of 1099 hourly work that I was only doing on the weekends. Working more than one W2 job ostensibly with overlapping schedules is deceptive and not something I'd be comfortable with, morally. If you really want to do it, why not work as a contractor where you can take as many hourly gigs as you want?
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Feb 26, 2022 15:17
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Managed to negotiate a pretty crazy deal. A 55% - 78% pay increase depending on how many of my hours are billable. Aside from being opinionated and somewhat good with people I don't really have much experience with strategy and the tech lead role so it's going to be rough for a while, but it certainly seems worth it. My old place is seeing if they can get approval for a 33% counter offer, which I would seriously consider because the tech is so cool and the work environment so nice.
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Feb 28, 2022 20:21
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I would definitely try out the better paying job for a year, then see if you're willing to go back to the old company and give up 20% of your income for the privilege If you can get anywhere near 65% pay increase I'd seriously consider that, 33% isn't going to look like much here in a year the way things are going. Sounds like it's a major career multiplier long term too
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Feb 28, 2022 20:52
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Got a spam on LinkedIn today from someone who has clients willing to pay for "just a quick call"s? Is this a scam? https://glginsights.com/network-members/ I can't imagine that working out for me because I have a full time job and don't think many people would be willing to pay for my voice outside US business hours, but it resonates with my tremendous ego.
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cum jabbar posted:Got a spam on LinkedIn today from someone who has clients willing to pay for "just a quick call"s? Is this a scam? https://glginsights.com/network-members/ GLG is legit, as far as I know. "Just a quick call" is probably understating it - I would assume long boring corpo-type meetings - but the general idea is that they arrange for subject matter experts (in a broad set of fields) to do research and talk to bigwigs in the initial stages of project planning/assessment stuff.
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It's legit, but from what I've heard there are a lot of requests that require preparation that don't pan out since they choose someone else or back out.
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My BIL does this and averages four figures a month Basically (very simplified) a business has come to a decision point and the biz dev guy wants to get an outside opinion to bless his strategy so somehow they end up on the phone with you and his boss. You end up as a sort of crystal ball dead pet seance person, "oh yeah, this solution will synergize your purple widgets with your flurple doodads and synchronized them for high efficency, great plan, we did something similar back at $blue_chip_company and it yielded high returns and low error rates" instead of "fluffy the cat is in kitty heaven and remembers the time you saved them from the great danger and thanks you for it" And yeah they do end up cancelling about half the time
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I dunno that this has much relevance to your current situation, but I have a friend who used to work as a...business rescue kind of person? Like, her firm would be contracted by companies who knew that something was wrong with their process and they needed outside help on how to fix it. She'd fly in, study the business, interview everyone, write up a big report about what needed to change, and then deliver a presentation to the C suite. And then, according to what she told me, 90% of the time the report would be ignored. Even when it was said C suite that asked for (and paid for, quite handsomely!) the help in the first place! In other words, it's one thing for someone to come to you looking for advice, it's quite another for them to actually listen to that advice.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I dunno that this has much relevance to your current situation, but I have a friend who used to work as a...business rescue kind of person? Like, her firm would be contracted by companies who knew that something was wrong with their process and they needed outside help on how to fix it. She'd fly in, study the business, interview everyone, write up a big report about what needed to change, and then deliver a presentation to the C suite. And then, according to what she told me, 90% of the time the report would be ignored. Even when it was said C suite that asked for (and paid for, quite handsomely!) the help in the first place! This advice is only taken if it says the thing the person that hired them wanted it to say. Because they need to justify to someone else that thing. Often they'll want something other than what is recommended; there's a reason they're in the situation they're in to begin with.
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Mar 1, 2022 03:41
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I only care about money, so this sounds perfect
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The job is basically parallel construction for business decisions. You have to come up with a plausible justification for the thing they want to do without knowing what their real reason is.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I dunno that this has much relevance to your current situation, but I have a friend who used to work as a...business rescue kind of person? Like, her firm would be contracted by companies who knew that something was wrong with their process and they needed outside help on how to fix it. She'd fly in, study the business, interview everyone, write up a big report about what needed to change, and then deliver a presentation to the C suite. I believe the name for this is "management consultant" typically bain, mckinsey and bcg are the big guys
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Mar 1, 2022 04:59
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I took the job. The current job could not find the budget (and I think the bosses underestimate the value of the service I owned). That means I have more than doubled my salary this year . Hopefully I can deliver; its not like I have anything else to spend my time on these days so I kind of welcome the extra workload.
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thotsky posted:I took the job. The current job could not find the budget (and I think the bosses underestimate the value of the service I owned). That means I have more than doubled my salary this year Congrats! Don't put too much pressure on yourself to deliver. I'm 99% sure they'll have no way to measure that, if they even bother.
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Mar 1, 2022 17:38
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Hell yeah. Get paid, goon.
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FMguru posted:Hell yeah. Thanks! I sincerely credit these forums, and especially the negotiation thread with my recent successes.
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A scenario looking for advice... an important part of my promotion process is an upcoming major project. I've put a few dozen hours into the planning and prep of this effort with a partner and we're about to pitch the whole thing to executives. A new direct manager just got brought into the mix. They're asking to kick off the presentation and present some of the content we had planned. My, and my partner's, initial gut reaction to this is emotional. I haven't responded to the request yet. I'm also cognizant that butting heads with this manager early on probably wouldn't outright sink my chances, but could certainly make it harder and/or cause me massive headaches. I'm going to sleep on it tonight and hopefully remove some emotion from it, but I'm not sure how to respond.
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I recommend telling this person what's important to you here once you've settled a bit. Do you need to do the whole thing yourself, or just showcase some important parts on your own? If they're not a big jerk or motivated by something at odds with your needs, they should understand and work something out with you.
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Current SWE offers are insane. Just got a 69% TC pay bump with this new one. 
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Feel like sharing numbers, latest money bag getting goons? It's hard to know if we're talking about jumping up from 80k or jumping up from 180k
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luchadornado posted:A scenario looking for advice... an important part of my promotion process is an upcoming major project. I've put a few dozen hours into the planning and prep of this effort with a partner and we're about to pitch the whole thing to executives. Who promotes you, the executives, this manager, or someone who else? As a follow-up if this manager doesn't directly promote you, can they sink you? If the executives are involved with promotion then the more visibility you can get the better, but outside that I don't think it matters a lot as long as this manager allows you to have face time in the meeting and properly credits you. In my experience, it's also good to have clearly defined ownership of a project and roles within it. My experience may be atypical, but dual ownership and overlapping roles is not a good thing as it effectively dilutes the accomplishment unless it is extremely clear who was responsible for specific pieces and the project as a whole.
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bi crimes posted:Feel like sharing numbers, latest money bag getting goons? It's hard to know if we're talking about jumping up from 80k or jumping up from 180k Last July I moved from 82k to 101k, and with this move I will be bringing in 157k - 180k based on how much of my work is billable. Keep in mind I live in Norway which is quite different from the US. Tech salaries average and usually plateau soon after about 90K so I am extatic.
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bi crimes posted:Feel like sharing numbers, latest money bag getting goons? It's hard to know if we're talking about jumping up from 80k or jumping up from 180k I'm in the US, working remotely, 13 years of experience. Went from a private, 6 person company, with no equity and $165K salary to a public company, $210K salary, $112K RSUs per year.
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Hey goons! I’m a bit stuck in my career at the moment and am looking for some advice. I’m currently a programmer in the video game industry. I’ve been in various positions in the industry for the past 20 years but the last 8 have been programming in c++ and c# (also dabbled in python and other assorted proprietary scripting languages). I’m a US citizen but recently moved to Sweden to work for a company here my current pay is laughable when compared to US salaries (about $60k/year, even back in the US my salary peaked at $120k but that was working for mobile games in San Francisco) but pretty standard for video game companies in Sweden. It’s been fun here but life circumstances have changed and I need to be making more money. I’m likely to get promoted to a lead position in a few months but I have no reason to expect that it will be a substantial pay bump.I’m willing to relocate to other countries (even back to the US if the job/pay is dream-level, Canada would probably be ideal due to closeness to family in the US but still having socialized medicine). My dream job would be either something in the “programming for good” category (or at least not morally bankrupt) or the automotive / racing industry. Willing to learn new technologies, of course, but I keep busy with side projects so the day job can afford to be boring. Thanks in advance! This is a great idea for a thread and it’s awesome to see all the success stories come out of here.
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canada has dire crap salaries by us figgieland standards but this is like 120k, 150k cad. in the main us figgielands you see routinely peeps who dont get out of bed for less than 300, 350, 500k usd total comp. your best source for numbers is levels.fyi two especial industries notable for paying like crap are nonprofits and embedded. so if you're beelining for cash those are two of the three iffiest ideas for large comp industries touching computers. third is video games, so i suggest an industry change to something more alienating. i have never experienced more gigantic assholes than in nonprofit contract programming. nonprofits are not typically led by anyone who you would enjoy meeting. (the staff is usually nice enough, if almost without exception rather exploited by the leadership). i dunno much about embedded besides the low salaries (ford, for example, pays median about 100k usd even, around the same level as gm - tesla pays very much more like a proper software salary but do you really wanna go work for that clusterfuck) bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Mar 6, 2022 |
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You can have socialised healthcare or figgieland salary. You can't have both. Most of Europe and Canada will give you salaries way above the median salary for that country, its just not in US range.
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Mega Comrade posted:You can have socialised healthcare or figgieland salary. You can't have both. And, why would this matter for jobs in the software industry? Any software job paying figgies is going to have a Cadillac health plan; likely a HDHP, but with a low OOP max and your employer will also pay into your HSA. Healthcare in the US is excellent, as long as you have insurance. I also think 'programming for good' and high pay are almost always orthogonal. I'm sure it's possible to find jobs at the tech giants that are for the greater good, but those are ultimately funded by their main money machine, which is advertising.
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I've done a lot of freelancing for nonprofits and it's always the same thing: our website is broken because we hired a bottom dollar contractor to build it in the first place, now we need someone competent to fix it by this time next week for our big fundraiser. No, we don't have the time or money to redesign the software but we'll gladly pay you to fix it again when it inevitability breaks. None of this made me a better programmer, but it did make me better at setting boundaries.
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B-Nasty posted:? Any software job paying figgies is going to have a Cadillac health plan; I've yet to get a healthcare package that also covers my family. I may not have to pay anything out of pocket beyond $20 copay but if anyone in my family is covered suddenly my monthly cost jumps from $0 to $380 or whatever My last job was in healthcare and primarily worked with women and minority women doctors, current job is arguably "for good" and as a side benefit restores the rain forest; we buy advertising but it's a cost, not revenue generator. That said I doubt more than like six developers at my company at clearing more than $350k TC
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That’s all great info, thanks. I figured non-profit places would be a disaster, I mostly just want to avoid places like surveillance, defense, etc. My current plan is to stick with my current company until I get the lead job and spend a year getting hands-on leadership experience before trying to pivot to a job outside games. Sad to hear that automotive pay isn’t great but it’s better to find that out sooner rather than later I suppose.bob dobbs is dead posted:peeps who dont get out of bed for less than 300, 350, 500k usd total comp.
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Hadlock posted:I've yet to get a healthcare package that also covers my family. I may not have to pay anything out of pocket beyond $20 copay but if anyone in my family is covered suddenly my monthly cost jumps from $0 to $380 or whatever Well, yeah, but that basically is the Cadellac plan, unless you're in Congress and have the best plan taxpayer money can buy. Family coverage is expensive, but software employers usually pick up 75%+ of that cost. A family plan where you paid all of it would probably be over $1500 a month. Crappier employers may pick up <50% of the cost, and their HDHPs usually have higher deductibles and OOP amounts. A employer's plan might end up being $4000 a year in premiums, and a $5000 family OOP max. Maybe the employer also kicks $2000 a year to your HSA, so your total cost assuming lots of medical use is, say 7 grand or so. That's not 'free' but in the land of 200k+ salaries, that's not much relative to the taxes you'd be paying for 'free' healthcare. The IRS doesn't consider HC expenses to be excessive (deductable) unless they exceed 7.5% of your AGI, which would be double that.
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It's hard to put a price on socialised healthcare. I personally would never live in a country without it, regardless of how much you paid me or how good my insurance was. The idea of having to deal with bills or phoning up an insurance company about my health is just horrific to me, regardless of how much my plan covered in the end.
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I think there’s definitely some non-tangible benefits of everyone around you not having to worry about it either, not just you and your immediate family. The same with subsidised childcare and a general social safety net. Once you remove random stressors from the general population I feel like there’s a non-quantifiable but noticeable improvement in life for everyone, not just those who were missing out before.
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Yeah, speaking as an American who has a family with additional medical needs, once you get a taste of socialized medicine it’s hard to imagine going back. I could imagine going to Canada for CAD 150k/yr but going back to the SF bay / Silicon Valley would take a much higher number. Plus the gun crime, etc… not gonna go all d&d in here but if I wasn’t doomed to pay taxes to the US my whole life and didn’t have family there, taking a job in the US would be a pretty hard sell.
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Figgieland salaries and health care plans mean that routine health expenses and even hospital stays aren't financially a big problem, but being driven to bankruptcy by cancer is still a very real possibility. The cool thing about generous employer health care packages is that they require remaining employed.
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there's also something to be said for living in a place where "don't let anyone die in the streets" is a general agreed upon principle that the populace supports enough to fund decent health programs that said, we're pretty unlikely to ever leave the US. Achmed Jones fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Mar 6, 2022 |
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Health emergencies and disasters in the US require you to be employed during your least employable and most vulnerable times. The figgies come with the sword of Damocles, which can seem normal if you’ve never experienced the security of knowing you’ll not be bankrupted if you have a health crisis or develop an arbitrarily expensive chronic condition
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bi crimes posted:Health emergencies and disasters in the US require you to be employed during your least employable and most vulnerable times. The figgies come with the sword of Damocles, which can seem normal if you’ve never experienced the security of knowing you’ll not be bankrupted if you have a health crisis or develop an arbitrarily expensive chronic condition Yeah I'm looking at surgery this year that's going to cost me 12k out of pocket. Luckily it won't bankrupt me but that's still a poo poo load. And of course there's always the possibility that it's the first of many over the coming years. In the meantime, I have awful chronic pain in my arm and actually turned down a great job offer that I probably would have taken otherwise because I wasn't sure I'd be up to it and didn't want to risk losing the new job because I was under performing and missing tons of work for doctor visits, theoretical surgical recovery, and in the meantime, those "arm was burning so badly I couldn't type or use a mouse by noon, half day, sorry!" days. Turns out all that ergonomics poo poo we laugh at in our 20s actually matters a bunch. Oops.
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