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qhat posted:this a double edged sword. you do get a bit more info about the position and what it pays, but other employers can get salary information about your own position via public job postings. I don’t know if it’s clear whether this will actually improve wages for anybody who isn’t in tech. as if there isn’t a million ways for employers to gather that info already, from body firms bidding in contractors to hr doing market salary comp surveys to dave calling bob over at amalgamated and asking what he’s paying for that widget inspector position
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yeah big companies already know pretty well what salary bands are like at their competition via a variety of to-the-letter legal and off-books sort of ways. if nothing else, this saves those companies money because now they don’t have to pay for salary surveys.
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yeah, i think this is almost certainly better for regular people.
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It would be pretty Charlie Brown to not remain open to the possibility that companies will figure out a way to make this lovely. At least for now though I think this should help wages. And the amount of time and anxiety saved should really benefit everybody.
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qhat posted:this a double edged sword. you do get a bit more info about the position and what it pays, but other employers can get salary information about your own position via public job postings. I don’t know if it’s clear whether this will actually improve wages for anybody who isn’t in tech. Yea nah, even tiny companies like mine have access to this information one way or another before making an offer. They can get it several ways that put them at great advantage. Ways: 1) They have access to up to date salary information based on job and metro. Paying a small amount for it is easily worth it for up to date info. 2) They can ask in ways that put people on the spot. Only about 25% of interviewing candidates successfully duck this question. They'll either ask what range youre looking for or what you currently make. 3) They ask you to do a background check "because it can take a little while" before the offer letter. It asks for salary history on the same page where it asks for your current/previous employers phone number and contact info. It makes it feel like a huge risk to lie. So assuming candidates don't lie. Roughly 0% of candidates will make it through all these hoops.
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here's the thing; a company using anything that could be used to infer your past salaries should absolutely be illegal. credit history, rando "salary lookup services", "background checks", trolling public job postings, whatever. it should not even be legal for a company to anchor expectations on salary before an offer has been made, since that's basically the same as asking what your current salary is. none of these things have anything to do with whether a candidate can do a job and should be a prosecutable offense to use against them when deciding an offer. should candidates have more leverage in interviews negotiations? absolutely. if anything public job postings with salary ranges might encourage existing workers to demand more from their employers because they have actual data to back it up. I just imagine that if companies are forced to post ranges that they will end up being so wildly large and postings so vague that it just ends up being useless info compared to actual reported salaries on glassdoor or levels.fyi. but maybe i'm wrong about that.
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there’s a lot of things companies could maybe do to maliciously comply with the law, I’m curious as to it’s particulars. i also wonder about places that do leveling post-interview or as part of the interview — do they post the entire band for that particular job code/title? i mostly see this as something that could disadvantage smaller shops because they don’t tend to have super-structured pay scales and ranges. i also wonder what it’s effect will be outside of tech jobs.
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its been law in colorado for a while the main things peeps do is "coloradans need not apply". but if washington and california do it they cant do that anymore
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What percent of the tech sector do those three states cover
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Prob a dece two figgies
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New York is doing it as well iirc, dunno when it kicks in though.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:thats why they pay a quarter, third of a million now I've said it before, but: at what salary does the human feces in the streets disappear.
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i dont know if i should make fun of you for not knowing the difference between san francisco and the south bay or if i should make fun of you for being a baby about a lil poo poo
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youre one of those people who knows somebody in san clemente and you keep asking about what it's like to live in los angeles, right? *talking to person in white plains* yeah, i could never live in new york city like you do, there's just so many people
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white plains, Yonkers and Newark are all NYC, fight me
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hobbesmaster posted:white plains, Yonkers and Newark are all NYC, fight me they're about as nyc as southern ct
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hobbesmaster posted:white plains, Yonkers and Newark are all NYC, fight me as is Bethpage
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qhat posted:this a double edged sword. you do get a bit more info about the position and what it pays, but other employers can get salary information about your own position via public job postings. I don’t know if it’s clear whether this will actually improve wages for anybody who isn’t in tech. The company is going to attempt to screw you regardless of if they release this information or not. The only thing this does is give the potential employee some leverage.
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I guess if you are looking for remote work, your options might decrease because companies across state lines might not want to disclose that they're underpaying you.
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CarForumPoster posted:as is Bethpage basically all of long island that doesn't have "hampton" in its name (maybe make the cutoff farmingdale?)
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Even northeastern Queens isn't NYC in anything but a municipal sense.
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has anyone else gotten a large comp adjustment in the last few months? i started at a fairly large tech company at the end of 2020 at around 240k total comp; this was almost double my previous salary, so i was happy with the offer. i got nearly 100k more in equity in 2021 during performance review, which seemed good to me as well. my performance reviews so far have all been glowing so i figured i was on track for a decent raise this year. early this year i was told that apparently i was determined to be behind the target comp for my position and i'd be getting some kind of comp bump, completely unrelated to performance. i didn't know what this would look like and i expected it to be a small salary raise. it turned out to be an additional 400k in equity  i'm both thrilled and baffled by this. is the market just this competitive now?
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what kind of timelines are you talking here? 100k over 4 years for perf is a very different beast from 100k per year. same question wrt the 400k. a better question is, what's your level and what's your TC now? it kinda sounds like you were way underpaid and they're making sure you don't go looking by bumping you to baseline
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??? Where do you live
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Achmed Jones posted:what kind of timelines are you talking here? 100k over 4 years for perf is a very different beast from 100k per year. same question wrt the 400k. a better question is, what's your level and what's your TC now? it kinda sounds like you were way underpaid and they're making sure you don't go looking by bumping you to baseline each equity grant is 4yr vesting. 100k/4yr from perf review, 400k/4yr from being under the baseline. level is Senior Engineer. my tc is going to be approaching 400k/yr once all the grants line up and maximum figgie alignment has occurred quote:??? Where do you live remote position but i'm in 
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You’re performing well and they want to retain you. Congrats!
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lmao it's not that competitive everywhere. i got promoted late last year and got a 7% bump to 140k. unless i'm missing something that's also my tc, we don't get bonuses or rsus. i've also been told that since i got that raise with my promotion not to expect anything from the salary plan later this year inflation last year was 7%
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hence why i go on and on and on about figgielands
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tk posted:You’re performing well and they want to retain you. Congrats! it's wild to me that it was unprompted. i didn't think i was underpaid. i will shut the gently caress up and take the money though carry on then posted:lmao it's not that competitive everywhere. i got promoted late last year and got a 7% bump to 140k. unless i'm missing something that's also my tc, we don't get bonuses or rsus. i've also been told that since i got that raise with my promotion not to expect anything from the salary plan later this year maybe it would be worth it to explore more competitive options
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titaniumone posted:i will shut the gently caress up and take the money though
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titaniumone posted:it's wild to me that it was unprompted. i didn't think i was underpaid. i will shut the gently caress up and take the money though uprooting myself completely at 30 and moving so i have an hour each way commute in the bay area is a hard pill to swallow, op
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titaniumone posted:has anyone else gotten a large comp adjustment in the last few months? i get to find out what mine is this friday. we'll see if i'll be staying or becoming a regular again itt soon!
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nice dude sounds like you're just crushing it! imo they're throwing money at you so you don't leave for a faang. they haven't TOTALLY closed the gap i guess but i mean, close enough! i'm happy for you, cash them checks!
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titaniumone posted:has anyone else gotten a large comp adjustment in the last few months? Yep. In the last 6 months, I've had three, separate, comp bumps. One was performance review and on the normal schedule, the other two were just "we love what you are doing here so we're shoveling money your direction. Please stay." I'm not at your numbers, but I'm also just 2 years into a career change to industry computer touching. It does feel a bit baffling, but also pretty good. jemand fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Mar 7, 2022 |
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kinda related, but those of you who moved cross-country to take a better-paying job, how did you handle uprooting, if it was just you moving? was it overall worth it? one of the things keeping me here is i have a nice group of friends and zero confidence i'd ever make any more at 30, especially since the places the companies i'd be interested in applying to are all in areas notorious for being unfriendly (i.e. "seattle freeze").
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jemand posted:"we love what you are doing here so we're shoveling money your direction. Please stay." lol my last place tried this, but it was $30k that vested all at once in 2 years. the reason i left wasnt money (though i was underpaid), but i made more than that per year at the new place, plus equity and bonus idk wtf they're thinking, compared to you guys getting six figure grants it wasnt very compelling
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employment is not done in good faith. the places that are paying the eyepopping amounts have had it beaten into them by the example of the rotting corpses of previous tech majors. the further from the places where you get management that remembers them, the shittier every term of employment. includin comp.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:its been law in colorado for a while I have a screenshot saved somewhere of a jd that ends with 2 paragraphs about how the employer is inclusive and all that bs... And then single sentence saying that they don't want Colorado residents. I am amazed at how people can write these without spontaneously combusting from the irony.
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carry on then posted:kinda related, but those of you who moved cross-country to take a better-paying job, how did you handle uprooting, if it was just you moving? was it overall worth it? get a remote work position, then you don't have to move for a new job!
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Xarn posted:I have a screenshot saved somewhere of a jd that ends with 2 paragraphs about how the employer is inclusive and all that bs... And then single sentence saying that they don't want Colorado residents. I'm pretty sure if you work in HR long enough you're required to have your sense of irony surgically removed
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