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As illegal and illegitimate as the Crimean annexation was, it would definitely be a huge mistake to try to take it back by force. Ruskies would go completely mental. Plus with all the propaganda and population movement it's probably full of vatniks by now anyway. Best case IMO would be pre-war status quo and continuing EU integration, so hopefully in a few years Crimeans will want to be part of a free and reforming nation and not an authoritarian autocracy failed petrostate. No way would Russia let that happen lol. E: lol I was just listening to some motivational music and: quote:See my chariot run to your ships mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Mar 7, 2022 |
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Der Kyhe posted:Except for the part that Crimea is still considered by UN resolution and majority of countries to be part of Ukraine, only occupied by Russia. Yes and if Turkey, the UN or Kevin Feige himself polled the population of Northern Cyprus 2317093870192873 times every nanosecond before, during and after the occupation, incorrectly, somewhat correctly and correctly, on paper, online and by show of hands, it still doesn't change the fact that it's occupied by Turkey but doesn't belong to Turkey. The same applies to Crimea. This kind of "Let's annex everything where we have a majority of people who are culturally and ethnically aligned with our country militarily or through phony referendums" is also why Eastern European countries expelled the German population after WWII. I realize that Ukraine can't take back Crimea right now or in the foreseeable future, but that doesn't change anything.
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mobby_6kl posted:As illegal and illegitimate as the Crimean annexation was, it would definitely be a huge mistake to try to take it back by force. Ruskies would go completely mental. Plus with all the propaganda and population movement it's probably full of vatniks by now anyway. Best case IMO would be pre-war status quo and continuing EU integration, so hopefully in a few years Crimeans will want to be part of a free and reforming nation and not an authoritarian autocracy. It was already full of vatniks because it was famously a retirement spot for the military, security services and politicians so the most privileged and chauvinistic russians were settled there through all of USSR's lifetime
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I guess I need to clarify: the only way Crimea is returning to Ukraine is a collapse of the Russian Federation. Crimea is de facto Russian territory and threatening its integrity is a red line. This is the point where they'd bust out their NBC arsenal - and if necessary threaten its deployment against major urban centers - because this is very much the use-it-or-lose-it moment for a nation with such capabilities.
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William Bear posted:From the New York Times: Let me just chime in on this one, as I went there to help. I'm not trying to justify what is happening there, just want to give a clearer picture in how hosed up the situation in my country is. As these humanitarian groups are giving out free food and drinks to the refugees, a lot of homeless started to show up at the train station to also get some free food. Sometimes it got to the point that people grabbed bags full of sandwiches or clothes brought to the refugees, and just ran off. Yes, my country is so hosed up that we have people stealing bags of sandwiches from refugees. So they started to filter out people by simply asking which town they are from, I haven't seen police specifically going to everyone and asking for their documents. Only saw one specific case when they asked for the documents of a guy who was just standing at the door of the hall where all the stuff was given out, and he took a sandwich from time to time as they passed through the door on trays etc. (I'm pretty sure our police is just as racist as most of the country tho.) Now why all the religious organizations are refusing to feed the homeless I have no idea. I despise all religions. As a side note when this war started Orban announced that we will take the refugees, while for the past 5 or so years he's been campaigning against refugees. He said "the difference between Eastern and Ukrainian refugees should be visible to everyone" I WONDER WHAT HE MEANT. So it was really "funny" to see at the train station that 70% of the refugees were African students, 10% Indian students, 10% Zakarpattian roma and about 10% Ukranians. Viktor's nightmare. (Apparently a rumor spread in Ukraine that Poland is not allowing anyone through the border who is "not white", so a lot of foreign students from Ukranian universities headed for Hungary.) Edit: Oh by the way, I heard that most of the arriving student's tickets have been paid by a single Indian businessman. That's really awesome! with a rebel yell she QQd fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Mar 7, 2022 |
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Crimea is a done deal, the only reason not to recognise it as part of Russia is so that it can be used as a carrot in the peace negotiations.
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Yep but with what is going on and the Caucasus inevitably lightning up soon Russia's territorial integrity will stop being a holy untouchable cow in some way. The empire is likely to start falling apart.
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Deteriorata posted:Another dawn breaks in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian. I always look forward to this.  
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Conspiratiorist posted:I guess I need to clarify: the only way Crimea is returning to Ukraine is a collapse of the Russian Federation. I thought the latest red line out of Russia was that the NATO has to remove all troops from central and eastern europe along with removing membership from anyone joining after 1997. What I'm saying is that phrase clearly isn't something with any concrete meaning anymore.
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Anubis posted:The bigger issue is that fertilizer is imported in from Russia and that's obviously not going to be available. It is being sent, just in ~80kg 180cm bags.
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Conspiratiorist posted:I guess I need to clarify: the only way Crimea is returning to Ukraine is a collapse of the Russian Federation. Or at least a collapse of the Putin regime, which I don't think should be considered equivalent to the Russian Federation, but which I do hope happens.
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I have honestly been surprised by the scale of protesting the war in Ukraine in Russia given how draconian the crack down on it has been More than 4,300 people were detained at anti-war protests across Russia on Sunday, rights groups and Russian authorities say. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60640204 If the war in Ukraine continues to go badly for Russia and the Russian people start to feel and/or worry about the effects of the sanctions taking hold, what are the chances of the protests snowballing into something that would lead to a tangible change? What would it take for something to give in Russian society do you think? What would that look like?
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https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1500786876172713986quote:Russia has approved a list of foreign states commit unfriendly actions against Russia, including: China will appreciate Russia's recognition of Taiwan as a foreign state.
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Ukraine committing the unfriendly act of resisting invasion. Outrageous.
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Macron is such a drama bitch drat https://twitter.com/ElHuffPost/status/1500741812310482949
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fatherboxx posted:Macron is such a drama bitch drat Probably angry cause Zelenskyi is getting all attention and sexy grandmas.
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fatherboxx posted:Macron is such a drama bitch drat I can hear the photographer now. "C'mon work it Macron, look even sadder. Think about your grandma getting served cold onion soup on her birthday, or a corked Chateau Margeaux, you got this."
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FishMcCool posted:https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1500786876172713986 South Korea and Japan will probably be a really complex one: pretty much the only international car maker that has no desire to stop manufacturing in Russia is Hyundai/Kia and Toyota. Of course other car makers stopped manufacturing due to logistical and financial issues (good luck paying for parts from EU, or even receiving shipments).
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fatherboxx posted:Macron is such a drama bitch drat 
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Captain Kosmos posted:Probably angry cause Zelenskyi is getting all attention and sexy grandmas. 
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FishMcCool posted:https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1500786876172713986 Also lol that the Ukraine is randomly wedged in there between Taiwan and Montenegro. I really wonder if Putin considers those contries/regions to be on the same level of significance. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Mar 7, 2022 |
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Xerxes17 posted:It is being sent, just in ~80kg 180cm bags. 
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fatherboxx posted:Macron is such a drama bitch drat Looks like his pet hamster died. I feel the pain, I felt the same ♥️♥️♥️
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cant cook creole bream posted:Did the Twitter person just not bother to list it, or did Germany manage to avoid that list. "EU countries"
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cant cook creole bream posted:Did the Twitter person just not bother to list it, or did Germany manage to avoid that list. Part of EU countries I guess.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Did the Twitter person just not bother to list it, or did Germany manage to avoid that list. I am guessing they grouped Germany in the EU countries edit: too slow
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alex314 posted:"EU countries" That character limit comes at you hard
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cant cook creole bream posted:Did the Twitter person just not bother to list it, or did Germany manage to avoid that list. "EU Countries" hth
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FishMcCool posted:https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1500786876172713986 Quote from country nuked: what are you gonna do, nuke us?
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Russia has finally revealed their plan to come back from these sanctions: tweeting the name of each country next to a frowny face emoji.
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Chalks posted:Russia has finally revealed their plan to come back from these sanctions: tweeting the name of each country next to a frowny face emoji. Okay this is ridiculous: give them some more loving respect than that ...it's the country's name next to a poop emoji
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Re: the alleged attack on the airfield. A band of merry marines with rifles and hand grenades could wreck absolute havoc if they got through security. Just look at the attack on Camp Bastion in 2012. 15 taliban, 6 harriers and a C-130 destroyed.
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Trump posted:Re: the alleged attack on the airfield. A band of merry marines with rifles and hand grenades could wreck absolute havoc if they got through security. Just look at the attack on Camp Bastion in 2012. 15 taliban, 6 harriers and a C-130 destroyed. If that Kherson airfield attack is remotely true why the gently caress would you move that much aircraft into a hostile warzone and not protect it properly?  The modern Russian Army's tactics are just too Special Operations for me man
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TulliusCicero posted:
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TulliusCicero posted:If that Kherson airfield attack is remotely true why the gently caress would you move that much aircraft into a hostile warzone and not protect it properly? The plan said do it, so they did it.
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the popes toes posted:No, not creepy at all. And why are you saying "reminiscent"? The new putty skins are wild, Lord Zedd steppin’ up his game
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Adam Tooze ha been writing good analyses of the economic side. The tl;dr seems to be that since Iran managed to adapt to sanctions, Russia might too. Gas & oil sanctions would be important. The EU is working to prepare for them, which won't be easy for some countries. https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-93-russias-720m-per-day
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Third round of peace talks, I guess they are taking the dead guy along https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1500792966725742594
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TulliusCicero posted:If that Kherson airfield attack is remotely true why the gently caress would you move that much aircraft into a hostile warzone and not protect it properly? This is Russia we’re talking about here. The same superpower sending troops into combat in civilian cars. Speaking of which, how well would a Hilux go in the mud? Are technicals there answer to Russia’s woes? It would certainly bookend their descent into a third world country.
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