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Welp. Bioweapons line coming out of the Russian MOD now. https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1500858253248446468?t=eZ5qD6aXLovrfh3FTs_00A&s=19
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Cenodoxus posted:https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1500832884004831232?s=21 There is some sign of movement here. Russia has moved from "let us kill the government right now" to "let us appoint a puppet as second in command to take over when we kill the rest of you." But yeah this war doesn't end any time soon. Not when Russia is reducing cities to rubble.
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Failed Imagineer posted:In related news, Ireland just invaded Russian soil A minor pedantic point, embassy aren't actually considered foreign soil. They are a gift from the host country that is just considered super protected.
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FishMcCool posted:Oh I agree. But there are a few comments mentioning how little Russia would get out of that deal, and here I disagree. Those terms would likely put a term to most sanctions and leave Russia to only have to deal with their internal unrest suppression (when the dead bodies don't come home from their training exercise). I hold you up at gunpoint and demand you give me  . Commentators on the side lament how that if I, the armed robber, were to leave now, I'd be "getting so little". How generous of me!I've always hated the adage that, "it takes two to fight." It doesn't. It takes one person to fight.
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MikeC posted:You are misreading what I am posting then. The very act of seeing if they can come out of this with what remains of their country intact and some semblance of autonomy requires agency on the Ukrainians. jfc Ukraine is fighting for its very survival, not the west.
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KitConstantine posted:Welp. Bioweapons line coming out of the Russian MOD now. Let's see if they can sex up a dossier as sexily as the British MoD in 2002
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Failed Imagineer posted:Let's see if they can sex up a dossier as sexily as the British MoD in 2002 "Just ignore the nerve agents we used to murder people in UK, Ukraine is for real gonna create COVID II"
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The UK has generously implemented a special visa scheme for Ukrainians. This would be kind of lovely as it's hard to apply for a visa when you're fleeing a warzone. Fortunately they've also closed the visa application centre in Ukraine so you don't even have to take it seriously as an option
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Ukraine could reasonably pick that as a starting point for negotiations + as a sign of good faith, Russia should withdraw to those borders it's asserting, viz DPR+LPR+Crimea, whilst Ukraine withdraws out of the portions previously occupied in 2014 and then Russia will say no to a reasonable counteroffer, and then the war will go on because it was always an offer in bad faith anyway
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People laugh at the armored train but if it's a sign Russia has repaired the rail connections then their logistical situation could improve quickly. Of course I expect Ukraine is aware of that and I wouldn't want to be crew on those trains.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There is some sign of movement here. Russia has moved from "let us kill the government right now" to "let us appoint a puppet as second in command to take over when we kill the rest of you." Seeing as they're shooting Calibre missles at Ukraine *right now during negotiations* that seems like a fair assumption. Video is just of the missle in flight, not hitting a target https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1500856338221576197?t=06S4qbnqwJVHqn9YLMe2QQ&s=19
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Cenodoxus posted:https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1500832884004831232?s=21 what is "Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk" today? my recollection is that pre-war it was a thin strip, but they claimed vast parts actually controlled by ukraine. moving back to thin strips instead of the full claimed territory is at least a change, though not much of one - but not, of course, if the russian invasion now controls substantial additional territory.
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distortion park posted:The UK has generously implemented a special visa scheme for Ukrainians. This would be kind of lovely as it's hard to apply for a visa when you're fleeing a warzone. Fortunately they've also closed the visa application centre in Ukraine so you don't even have to take it seriously as an option I believe the consensus reached last night was that any mention of the "UK" must have "tiny island" prepended for clarity.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There is some sign of movement here. Russia has moved from "let us kill the government right now" to "let us appoint a puppet as second in command to take over when we kill the rest of you." Note that the PM isn't second in command in general, it's more of a co-equal thing, involving balance between Parliament and President. Just right now they are of the President's party, so there is this sort of ordering there.
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Failed Imagineer posted:In related news, Ireland just invaded Russian soil Instant local legend. That guy isn't going to have to pay for his pint for a while. 
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Charlotte Hornets posted:https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1500845414446206984?s=20&t=SuIqWROcbQBlkFFgDsjisw I know the usual way to deal with armored trains is to just destroy the tracks but I hope someone re-arranges them in a Looney Toons-style prank so the train goes into a lake.
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evilweasel posted:what is "Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk" today? my recollection is that pre-war it was a thin strip, but they claimed vast parts actually controlled by ukraine. moving back to thin strips instead of the full claimed territory is at least a change, though not much of one - but not, of course, if the russian invasion now controls substantial additional territory. it's on every map published regarding this war what the pre-war Russian controlled areas are.
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If the Russians actually wanted a 'neutral' Ukraine, it would probably behoove them to keep the parts most likely to vote for neutrality in the Ukranian state rather than just kinda hope it happens via fiat, but hey, who am I?
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it's transparently a gambit so that the Russians can say (especially to the Chinese, who are antsy about territorial landgrabs) "hey we don't want to conquer Ukraine, look, it's not even in our list of demands, but they refuse to give us our security considerations" it's on Ukraine to pitch its own demands to call their bluff
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Youth Decay posted:I know the usual way to deal with armored trains is to just destroy the tracks but I hope someone re-arranges them in a Looney Toons-style prank so the train goes into a lake. Pull some railroad switches, change the points from "to Kyiv" to "to Moscow", duck season! Fire!
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Ukraine isn't fighting to get on the good side of the EU and NATO. They want to be on the good side of the EU and NATO because they think it will help them to get Russia the gently caress out of their country. This is such a baby brain confusion of means vs. ends that it's hard to believe it's sincere when people trot it out. It's just so obviously backwards. It also makes no sense from the point of view of what actually motivates real humans to fight. We can argue over how much support they should actually expect to get, but I'm guessing they aren't totally naive about it and are just trying to get as much as they can, because they think this will help them accomplish the overarching goal of... wait for it... getting Russia the gently caress out out their country.
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Here's how Russian academics are excusing this thing during interviews with western outlets. Watch for the face crack at 1:40ish, though he tries to recover https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1498385889692721152?t=iFbrzuokdS4M9XfT_DHCSg&s=19 Warning: will probably make you angry
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Ola posted:Pull some railroad switches, change the points from "to Kyiv" to "to Moscow", duck season! Fire! The train accidentally gets redirected to Poland and some very angry Polish military members greet it.
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the popes toes posted:I believe the consensus reached last night was that any mention of the "UK" must have "tiny island" prepended for clarity. "Miserable island in the Atlantic" should suffice, really. Tagesschau posted:Only those who already have relatives in the UK are allowed to enter. The formalities are reportedly causing difficulties for many people. France's Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin had accused the British on Sunday of a "lack of humanity". Around 150 Ukrainians who wanted to travel across the English Channel to visit relatives in Britain had been asked by the British side to first apply for visas in Paris or Brussels, the Frenchman said.
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CommieGIR posted:"Just ignore the nerve agents we used to murder people in UK, Ukraine is for real gonna create COVID II"  Technically it would be SARS COVID III. The current model is SARS COVID II.Pedantry aside bioweapons grade bullshit should be asserted before your illeigetamate war.
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Got it, my bad! COVID III, this time its serious.
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Panzeh posted:If the Russians actually wanted a 'neutral' Ukraine, it would probably behoove them to keep the parts most likely to vote for neutrality in the Ukranian state rather than just kinda hope it happens via fiat, but hey, who am I? Ya they want to annex the parts of the country most likely to vote for a Russian friendly admin. It doesn't make the most sense.
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ronya posted:it's on Ukraine to pitch its own demands to call their bluff It's unwise and impractical but the fanciful movie in my mind has the negotiating team say, "Due to our evaluation of objective facts on the ground, we have decided to postpone further negotiations for one month." And the West stops calling Putin and refuses to answer his phone calls. Dumb, but it's my movie.
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evilweasel posted:what is "Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk" today? my recollection is that pre-war it was a thin strip, but they claimed vast parts actually controlled by ukraine. moving back to thin strips instead of the full claimed territory is at least a change, though not much of one - but not, of course, if the russian invasion now controls substantial additional territory. I just assumed they had dropped all pretense of a separatist movement and interpreted it as “recognize independence of Donetsk and Luhansk, which are now Russian-controlled”, with all the irony that entails.
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Cenodoxus posted:https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1500832884004831232?s=21 What better terms do you think they're going to get?
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KitConstantine posted:Here's how Russian academics are excusing this thing during interviews with western outlets. Watch for the face crack at 1:40ish, though he tries to recover it's nice that the Russians retained the core Soviet playbook of whataboutism
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This made me laugh a little: https://twitter.com/SIGKILL/status/1500770387151384576?s=20&t=ZKZKjM3Vv2wxy-O-9LGB2g
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Pook Good Mook posted:Ya they want to annex the parts of the country most likely to vote for a Russian friendly admin. It makes sense if you consider that the goal has shifted from a Russian aligned Ukraine (pre 2014) to a dismembered Ukraine that can be further dismembered on a whim.
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ZombieLenin posted:I mean, technically ever continent is an island. Rasputitsa all around me, true, but I'm no island Pariah state maybe, makes no sense I know, crazy Give up all this rubles thats in my lap no lookin back T-90s dont come equipped with rearview mirrors They dip as quick as they can The atmosphere is now ripped Im so like a gimp, Im glad its night So the light from the sunflowers would not burn me on my bum When I shoot the moon high, jump the broom Like an NLAW with the boom My partner yellin "Too soon! Dont do it! Reconsider!"
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Carmant posted:What better terms do you think they're going to get? I think they might want one where Russia recognizes Ukraine as a sovereign state and fucks off.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It makes sense if you consider that the goal has shifted from a Russian aligned Ukraine (pre 2014) to a dismembered Ukraine that can be further dismembered on a whim. Yeah, my broader point was more that the Russians have goals far beyond just 'keeping the country out of NATO' and the rhetoric and maximalist demands support that.
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KitConstantine posted:Welp. Bioweapons line coming out of the Russian MOD now. Speaking of plague pathogens...how was the Covid situation in Ukraine before the war?
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KitConstantine posted:Here's how Russian academics are excusing this thing during interviews with western outlets. Watch for the face crack at 1:40ish, though he tries to recover Being eastern european who very rarely drinks myself and having faced some lovely discrimination regarding it I don't normally enjoy the stereotype that all Russians are drunk on vodka all the time. But he absolutely had a few shots before going fuckit and vomiting out propaganda he doesn't believe in.
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Nenonen posted:I think they might want one where Russia recognizes Ukraine as a sovereign state and fucks off. That's clearly not going to happen. If they were going to compromise, what would it look like? Just Crimea?
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