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What in the world happened to this thread over the weekend? I leave you guys for three days and it's turned into chakra and locally sourced tire chat.Ola posted:Cross-posting from the EV realpost thread: For what it's worth I had the same exact experience. I've also noticed it with some other apps I use, like my golf app. I've decided to give up the ghost and join the iOS darkside. I hate it but it's clear most of their apps are better designed and more reliable. Kirios fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Mar 7, 2022 |
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Ola posted:Cross-posting from the EV realpost thread: I wouldn't call it "fast" on my iPhone, but I've never used the Android side to have a point of comparison. In order for anything to happen, the car still has to wake up and start accepting commands from the app directly. My recollection is there's no server-side caching on Tesla's side; in order for things to happen the car has to receive an SMS command message to make a connection to the server, and then commands go essentially directly from phone to car, with the server only acting as a relay. Even the minor annoyance of having to sit with an open app for a minute or so is a drat sight better than having to get into a cold car, though.
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Mar 7, 2022 17:58
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I've never used the iphone app but my first thought here was that someone got a new phone and has observed that things run faster on the new phone than they ran on the old phone.
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Mar 7, 2022 18:16
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cruft posted:I've never used the iphone app but my first thought here was that someone got a new phone and has observed that things run faster on the new phone than they ran on the old phone. your phone’s chakras are never going to be more aligned than when it’s fresh out of the box from there it’s all inevitably downhill, just basic science
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Mar 7, 2022 19:43
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cruft posted:I've never used the iphone app but my first thought here was that someone got a new phone and has observed that things run faster on the new phone than they ran on the old phone. Well, it's not computing that stuff locally on the phone. It's just sending a network message. But how you code that in the app can done in ways where it seems smoother and faster than others. But the car also responds very fast once it's sent. If you open the app right now to start the climate system, with the car presumably asleep, do you have to wait a few seconds for the button to become pressable?
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Mar 7, 2022 22:08
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Ola posted:Well, it's not computing that stuff locally on the phone. It's just sending a network message. But how you code that in the app can done in ways where it seems smoother and faster than others. But the car also responds very fast once it's sent. If you open the app right now to start the climate system, with the car presumably asleep, do you have to wait a few seconds for the button to become pressable? no, I don't. I can mash the climate button before it connects to the car, and it enqueues the command, waits for the car to show up, and then sends it off. The old version of the app, yeah, I had to wait for the car to wake up.
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Mar 7, 2022 22:40
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cruft posted:no, I don't. I can mash the climate button before it connects to the car, and it enqueues the command, waits for the car to show up, and then sends it off. Gotcha. I'll try again with the old phone at some point, it was just a bit interesting that's all. The worst it's ever performed is still way better than what anyone else is doing.
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Mar 7, 2022 22:43
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cruft posted:I've never used the iphone app but my first thought here was that someone got a new phone and has observed that things run faster on the new phone than they ran on the old phone. I get what you're saying but my Pixel 6 takes ~12 seconds to load AA while my iPhone 11 takes ~3 seconds to load Carplay. Computing wise they're similar so I think there's more than just "new in box" in this situation.
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Mar 7, 2022 22:56
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EV thread got weiiiiiird again.
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Mar 7, 2022 23:43
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Question about preconditioning. Is preconditioning time measured in minutes, or tens of minutes? Also, I forget, but preconditioning is only a thing you do when the car is plugged in, right?
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Mar 7, 2022 23:48
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I wonder if there's a market in selling Monster oxygen-free copper charging cables with gold plated contacts and proprietary polymer casing to idiots for ridiculous amounts of money?
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Mar 7, 2022 23:58
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bird with big dick posted:Every thread is a shitposting thread Exactly, double check what site you're on Kirios posted:Computing wise they're similar so I think there's more than just "new in box" in this situation. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphone-12-benchmarks-this-destroys-every-android-phone Apple cpu's are lightyears ahead of anything on the android side. They are so solid Apple computers are just using scaled up iPhone processors now.
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Apples to oranges (no pun intended) but I've noticed carplay in general is much better than AA, and I love my Android in general and hate iPhones. Smoother interface, faster etc. I just got back from the grocery store, where I plugged in my Leaf for the free juice, and I had two old guys driving trucks approach me for info on EVs, charging etc. And ask me for my experiences. I think sky rocketing gas prices are starting to make not EV people look at EVs. Hopefully there won't be a run on Bolts before I can pick one up.
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Mar 8, 2022 00:15
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Elviscat posted:Hopefully there won't be a run on Bolts before I can pick one up. Did GM finish making all the replacement batteries? Now you've got me worrying that I'll never get mine.
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Mar 8, 2022 00:31
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cruft posted:Did GM finish making all the replacement batteries? I think they will finish up the recall but it sure seems to me that they are putting their eggs in the Ultium basket. I almost think we will see the Equinox EV before Bolts get ramped back up based on what GM has done in the past.
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Mar 8, 2022 00:39
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Finger Prince posted:Question about preconditioning. Is preconditioning time measured in minutes, or tens of minutes? Also, I forget, but preconditioning is only a thing you do when the car is plugged in, right? Are we talking about preconditioning the battery for rapid charging or preconditioning the cabin to heat / cool?
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Mar 8, 2022 00:50
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cruft posted:Did GM finish making all the replacement batteries? Oh snap, my recall status moved from "INCOMPLETE. REMEDY NOT YET AVAILABLE." to "INCOMPLETE."!!!! Apparently that means I have a battery, so I made an appointment with the service center for Thursday. Wish me luck, nerds!
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Mar 8, 2022 00:55
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cruft posted:Oh snap, my recall status moved from "INCOMPLETE. REMEDY NOT YET AVAILABLE." to "INCOMPLETE."!!!! I called about an hour ago to make sure they had batteries and they said they had six. They just texted me saying they don't have any batteries in stock and they'd put in an order for one and let me know when it's arrived. I mean, at least they told me the first person I talked to didn't know what was going on, before I drove all the way down there.
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Mar 8, 2022 01:50
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Charles posted:Are we talking about preconditioning the battery for rapid charging or preconditioning the cabin to heat / cool? The latter, and also I guess so you have maximum range availabile in cold weather, unless that's not a thing.
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Mar 8, 2022 02:27
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cruft posted:Oh snap, my recall status moved from "INCOMPLETE. REMEDY NOT YET AVAILABLE." to "INCOMPLETE."!!!! Does your recall number end in 881? If so. Yep it's your turn.
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Mar 8, 2022 02:36
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Tens of minutes. With the Mach-e if you precondition the battery before you leave the house you won’t have any of the power locked out due to cold battery, but pretty sure it’s like 20+ minutes to get it there. When I forget to set a departure time and just try preconditioning on the fly after ten minutes I’ve still got the bars saying that the battery is still cold.
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Mar 8, 2022 02:38
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Finger Prince posted:The latter, and also I guess so you have maximum range availabile in cold weather, unless that's not a thing. Warming up the cabin in an EV usually takes a couple minutes. Warming up the battery is a different story and can take 30-50 minutes depending on how cold soaked the whole thing is. Teslas can precondition the battery even when they aren't plugged in, but doing so will deplete more charge than just quickly warming the cabin then driving off and making due without regen till the pack warms up from driving.
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Mar 8, 2022 02:38
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Holy poo poo! Gasoline got really expensive! No wonder everybody's asking me about electric cars lately.
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The Tesla app is considerably less responsive for me on Android after the last (infamous) car update. I think something definitely changed in the fundamental architecture of connectivity routing, cause locking via app went from instant before to 7-10 seconds while still bluetooth connected. There's also an obnoxious fake-out "locked" icon that flips back to "unlocked" before finally confirming as locked. I really don't like the new update for this, and also for removing the following from a single touch on the screen:
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Mar 8, 2022 02:53
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cruft posted:Holy poo poo! Gasoline got really expensive! No wonder everybody's asking me about electric cars lately. Apparently there's still 10 stations in Finland where you can find 95E for barely under 2€/l. In most stations even diesel is above 2€.
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Yeah in the lower mainland BC Canada (the most expensive place for gas in the country not in the arctic) it is over $2CAD a litre now. People are going a little bananas.
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cruft posted:Holy poo poo! Gasoline got really expensive! No wonder everybody's asking me about electric cars lately. I've been posting this on most of the FB threads bitching about gas prices:  Yeah, that's mean.
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VideoGameVet posted:Yeah, that's mean. Until the up front cost of going electric stops being so much higher than gasoline, yeah, this is a dick move by a rich guy.
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Is it really a rich guy flex if their EV pays off better than an ICE equivalent in 3-5 years? Edit: I already calculated nearly $3k saved annually in fuel costs driving a Lightning instead of a regular 6 cylinder F-150.
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cruft posted:Holy poo poo! Gasoline got really expensive! No wonder everybody's asking me about electric cars lately. Just checked again with my dealer and they got 2 more EV6s! They’re the top trim (GT-Line AWD) and also have a 12k adjustment over it so for just under $69k I too could stop paying for gas. Just loving kill me. Nfcknblvbl posted:Is it really a rich guy flex if their EV pays off better than an ICE equivalent in 3-5 years? No it really loving does not. Not by a long shot compared to any cheaper but still efficient ICE card. You spring for a hybrid and it’ll be way more than 5 years. Possibly never.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:No it really loving does not. Not by a long shot compared to any cheaper but still efficient ICE card. You spring for a hybrid and it’ll be way more than 5 years. Possibly never. I'm talking about comparing an ICE to what current EVs we're offered in the same class. It would be nice if North America had access to new $20k EVs but we don't yet, and that sucks.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:I'm talking about comparing an ICE to what current EVs we're offered in the same class. It would be nice if North America had access to new $20k EVs but we don't yet, and that sucks. I think you can only get that 3-5 years when comparing trucks (so rivian/lighting to F150s and such). Prices are too loving insane right now on just cars. Model 3s show at just around 51k. No tax credit, and give s a “$4300 estimated gas savings” but no indication over how many years. I’m guessing 3? My current which I’ve had since 2014 has only used $7,605.47 in gas for just over 100,000 miles (I log it!). So let’s be even more generous and give an EV 8,000 over the lifetime. Add a couple thousand more in maintenance because I wont change my own oil or some other dumb reason. I could just buy a 35k car, maybe even 40k ICE car with decent mileage and I’ll end up spending less than buying an EV.
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Yeah, I guess I should have said it only applies to folks who bought an EV at sticker price 2 years ago. Bummer.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Yeah, I guess I should have said it only applies to folks who bought an EV at sticker price 2 years ago. Bummer. This pricing insanity is sure to go down soon, right? Right? 
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:This pricing insanity is sure to go down soon, right? quote:10/ Semiconductors & computer chips are also interesting.
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I got my EV6 at MSRP from a Kia dealer in Muncie IN. There's another dealership in IA who will take your order at MSRP for EV6s if you can wait a few months. It's possible!
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Marvin K. Mooney posted:I got my EV6 at MSRP from a Kia dealer in Muncie IN. There's another dealership in IA who will take your order at MSRP for EV6s if you can wait a few months. It's possible! Yeah, the Kia dealerships in my area were selling Niro EVs at MSRP when I bought mine
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I dunno much but I do know I spend $2.70 per week going to work and back and if I still had my ICE car I would be spending $12. But look, my registration came and I owe a $214 alternative fuel vehicle fee! I paid $0 per year with an ICE car. So, throwing in an oil change or two I save maybe $300 a year with an EV.
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I had to pay $213.70 Alternative Fuel Vehicle Fee for my motorcycle which I ride about 800 miles a year. Awesome.
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