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All changes to society will impact the poor first and most, but the alternative is the status quo. Just because turning off the poor person eating machine will cause poor-people to be eaten, doesn't mean we should keep the poor-person eating machine active forever.
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I mean I love the high gas prices and want to point and laugh at everyone, but I'm trying to be mature here. Even so, lol, suck it cagers.
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This is a crazy thought--totally insane--but what if, instead of working so loving hard to make gas cheaper we just mitigated the effects of expensive gas on those most-impacted? Like, say, with a "gas price mitigation" check for... I don't know, let me just pull a random number out of the air... Say, $2,000? Could means test it, and have a gradual decline in the amount of benefits as people's income goes up, like the lanyards love so much. And then we just... Let gas prices go up. A market-driven way to mitigate climate change and encourage alternative energy. This should make everyone happy, right? It's what everyone says they want.
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Waiting for the grimdark "grown up calvin" internet version where he reflects back on his dad getting creamed by a hummer in 2005
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Ham Equity posted:This is a crazy thought--totally insane--but what if, instead of working so loving hard to make gas cheaper we just mitigated the effects of expensive gas on those most-impacted? Like, say, with a "gas price mitigation" check for... I don't know, let me just pull a random number out of the air... Say, $2,000? Could means test it, and have a gradual decline in the amount of benefits as people's income goes up, like the lanyards love so much. And then we just... Let gas prices go up. A market-driven way to mitigate climate change and encourage alternative energy. This should make everyone happy, right? It's what everyone says they want. I think everyone wants low gas prices forever, drat the consequences. I mean there's some hype for EVs, but it's just an extension of the same mindset -- wanting easy access to everything, all the time, with no compromises.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I think everyone wants low gas prices forever, drat the consequences. I mean there's some hype for EVs, but it's just an extension of the same mindset -- wanting easy access to everything, all the time, with no compromises. If things didn't get easier and better constantly forever our current social and economic systems would collapse. *Looks around at literally everything* Oh...
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Cars are jealous of school shooters. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/03/03/children-injured-car-crash-daycare/9368029002/
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I think everyone wants low gas prices forever, drat the consequences. I mean there's some hype for EVs, but it's just an extension of the same mindset -- wanting easy access to everything, all the time, with no compromises. I can't imagine that Americans would be that selfish. It's not like we'd do something insane like go to war for lower gas prices, right?
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To everyone feeling some" pain at the pump" recently: I don't care
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Nitevision posted:To everyone feeling some" pain at the pump" recently: I don't care 
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Ham Equity posted:This is a crazy thought--totally insane--but what if, instead of working so loving hard to make gas cheaper we just mitigated the effects of expensive gas on those most-impacted? Like, say, with a "gas price mitigation" check for... I don't know, let me just pull a random number out of the air... Say, $2,000? Could means test it, and have a gradual decline in the amount of benefits as people's income goes up, like the lanyards love so much. And then we just... Let gas prices go up. A market-driven way to mitigate climate change and encourage alternative energy. This should make everyone happy, right? It's what everyone says they want. People's policy project did the maths on carbon tax and flat dividend (so *less* progressive than your proposal), and it was highly beneficial for the worse off, as currently the richest emit by far the most emissions. https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/CarbonTax.pdf France has a cool tax on new cars where efficient cars pay very little (it lines up nicely so that the normal person cheap clios pay almost nothing), and suburban tanks pay like 5 figures. Idk there are loads of good solutions here. It's not that we can't, it's that we don't want to. A minor change in vehicle aesthetics is too much to ask western populations to do to avoid catastrophic climate impacts elsewhere.
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Nitevision posted:To everyone feeling some" pain at the pump" recently: I don't care Furthermore: gently caress you
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God Hole posted:yes this is something i would feel safe using after watching all those Tesla self-driving videos. god his pie in the sky fantasy solution is just poo poo. celebrity imagination future man is completely unable to picture any kind of better world except "this one but with more computers." everything elon musk does is a twisted expression of his unconscious psychosexual desire to be crushed to death by gears inside a large machine. think about it
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Blackhawk posted:There was a story on the national TV news last night about how we need to bring back passenger rail in New Zealand and painting trains in a positive light, so that's uhh pretty good I guess! Of course we're not going to actually do it because that would cost money which would require taxing the rich and yeah that's not a way to win elections. The doubly bullshit thing is that the middle part of the North Island Main Line is electrified but there are plans to buy more powerful diesel locos so engine changes in Hamilton and Palmerston North won’t be required anymore.
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:god his pie in the sky fantasy solution is just poo poo. celebrity imagination future man is completely unable to picture any kind of better world except "this one but with more computers." everything elon musk does is a twisted expression of his unconscious psychosexual desire to be crushed to death by gears inside a large machine. think about it 
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Nitevision posted:To everyone feeling some" pain at the pump" recently: I don't care I love filling up at chud central in Illinois and seeing the pump read in the triple digits before I fill up my Insight for $30
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zegermans posted:I love filling up at chud central in Illinois and seeing the pump read in the triple digits before I fill up my Insight for $30 for those about to pump... we salute you 
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I don't know exactly what slice of twitter this is, but the comments are full of ostensibly left-leaning people complaining that their unsustainable lifestyle choices have reached the end of their sustainable period. They were probably all decrying US oil policy under Trump, but they actually loved it. you are suggesting that the dude should reflect on what leads him to burn like 10 liters of gas so his kid can get to school, instead of complaining about the cost? fascist
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brakeless posted:you are suggesting that the dude should reflect on what leads him to burn like 10 liters of gas so his kid can get to school, instead of complaining about the cost? https://twitter.com/MelpomeneMel/status/1500871724753108993?s=20&t=1W9m7IE5rKj1FW4P7lsnYg
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The only reason your kid's school is 27 miles away is you take her to a private school or you're divorced and moved too far away Either way sorry about your 22 mpg SUV
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I kiss hitler on the mouth every day and I hope americans will soon pay as much for gas as what it costs around here, which seems to currently work out to about 8.7 petrodollar per gallon, which is still too little but whatever
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If only Colonel Ghadaffi where here today to save us with the non-central bank backed oil currency
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about to go on a walk and do some errands. carfree is the way 2 be
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Fitzy Fitz posted:https://twitter.com/MelpomeneMel/status/1500871724753108993?s=20&t=1W9m7IE5rKj1FW4P7lsnYg yeah, we were living on a cloud that was bound to collapse eventually and everyone with sense warned you for decades that it would hurt when it finally did.
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i love "it raises the price of EVERYTHING" as a catch-all argument from carbrains people. yeah no poo poo, but i still pay less because i don't drive a 10 tonne SUV everywhere. if everything is more expensive...... doesn't it make even more sense to drive less or drive smaller cars genius?
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Fitzy Fitz posted:https://twitter.com/JustinKCarr/status/1500830345704480773?s=20&t=1W9m7IE5rKj1FW4P7lsnYg he uses 2.5 gallons of gas every single day getting his daughter to and from school, which means the distance from his house to her school is something like 25-30 miles, which is insane
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*builds everything to be completely dependent on oil and gas supply being able to meet unlimited demand* *something disrupts supply of oil and gas* What's going on??? Why is this happening all of a sudden????
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Magic Hate Ball posted:he uses 2.5 gallons of gas every single day getting his daughter to and from school, which means the distance from his house to her school is something like 25-30 miles, which is insane i was interested to learn more and apparently his kid is a little hellion and has to go to an alternative school 27.1 miles one way. Brutal.
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Clark Nova posted:just in carr Haha
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Fitzy Fitz posted:https://twitter.com/JustinKCarr/status/1500830345704480773?s=20&t=1W9m7IE5rKj1FW4P7lsnYg he claims his other children go to a local public school, but this one has to go to a specific one farther away for the next few years (???) edit: oh the kid is a problem child lol so 27 miles each way, 108 miles a day, that's more than I drive in a month actionjackson has issued a correction as of 17:40 on Mar 8, 2022 |
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new Not Just Bikes along these lines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI
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Magic Hate Ball posted:he uses 2.5 gallons of gas every single day getting his daughter to and from school, which means the distance from his house to her school is something like 25-30 miles, which is insane childcare in general is a big cause of fossil fuel dependency imho. since the us government doesn't help parents in any capacity whatsoever, parents feel the need to take individual action to keep their kid happy and healthy. which sadly means moving to the burbs in a lot of cases, either for schools, supplies, or affordable housing space can't count the number of progressives I know who moved out of the city and got an suv <1 year after having a kid. it sucks but i don't exactly blame them, because who tf wants to raise a kid in a 600sqft 1br apartment, or have their kid sent to a school where they hand out stacks of black and white photocopies because they don't have money for books Polo-Rican has issued a correction as of 19:22 on Mar 8, 2022 |
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upsidedown posted:The doubly bullshit thing is that the middle part of the North Island Main Line is electrified but there are plans to buy more powerful diesel locos so engine changes in Hamilton and Palmerston North won’t be required anymore. I just want to be able to go to Rotorua to ride mountain bikes or Ruapehu to climb/ski on a loving train! Back when the north island train from Auckland to Wellington was still operating I considered using it a few times but I wanted to take my bike and there are only TWO bicycle spots on the entire loving train! A whole goddamn train and it can apparently only carry two bicycles, absolutely pointless and useless to me. Hey government, you want to get to zero road deaths or whatever? Build a loving train network people can use to get between cities! Oh that costs a lot of money? Our top marginal tax rate is a joke and our tax legislation is filled with loopholes that only benefit the rich, fix that poo poo and you can probably find the coin.
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Polo-Rican posted:childcare in general is a big cause of fossil fuel dependency imho. The two are very interweaved! https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3665046
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Fitzy Fitz posted:The two are very interweaved! SSRN posted:We estimate that these laws prevented only 57 car crash fatalities of children nationwide in 2017. Simultaneously, they led to a permanent reduction of approximately 8,000 births in the same year, and 145,000 fewer births since 1980, with 90% of this decline being since 2000. Imagining a second edition of One Billion Americans after Matt Yglesias finds out about this
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Polo-Rican posted:childcare in general is a big cause of fossil fuel dependency imho. since the us government doesn't help parents in any capacity whatsoever, parents feel the need to take individual action to keep their kid happy and healthy. which sadly means moving to the burbs in a lot of cases, either for schools, supplies, or affordable housing space If you buy an SUV gently caress you. I can forgive moving to the suburbs, I can forgive private school, I can forgive all that other stuff. But buying an SUV is a non-coerced individual choice with a better alternative. But it's made because when it comes down to it, they are a liberal and believe nothing.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:The two are very interweaved! That's an interesting take. I would also love to know how they arrived at that 57 figure.
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