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I don't think that not playing optimally in random dungeons makes you an rear end in a top hat. There are plenty of people who don't do their rotation properly and end up doing half the damage they should have, or don't have a full up to date set of gear, or don't heal well, or only pull one pack at a time, or don't use their defensive cooldowns properly. That's the expectation for that content. Like if you randomly queue into Delubrum Reginae lots of people don't have an optimal set of lost actions and it's fine, but if you join a speedrun group and don't bring them you're being an rear end in a top hat because that's the expectation of joining that group. ImpAtom posted:It is hilarious to picture most jobs without their 70. Out of those i've only levelled Red mage. Not having Verholy wasn't a big deal because i just used Verflare instead and corrected for the slight mana imbalance.
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CJ posted:I don't think that not playing optimally in random dungeons makes you an rear end in a top hat. There are plenty of people who don't do their rotation properly and end up doing half the damage they should have, or don't have a full up to date set of gear, or don't heal well, or only pull one pack at a time, or don't use their defensive cooldowns properly. That's the expectation for that content. There's a difference between not playing optimally and not having your core mitigation tool on a tank that is already widely-agreed on to be the hardest tank to heal. You're an rear end in a top hat to every healer and every group you play this class with.
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Mar 8, 2022 18:48
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Also it does suck when people queue into dungeons and half rear end it. I try to call them out and help them when I can straighten things up. No one wants a 20 minute dungeon run if it can be done under 15. A massive 48 person raid where first timers can’t even access the best lost actions isn’t a comparable situation. You’ve made the game harder on yourself and those who queue with you because you didn’t like the paladin and warrior quests. That’s ridiculous.
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Mar 8, 2022 18:51
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ImpAtom posted:It is hilarious to picture most jobs without their 70. DRG without Nastrond, DNC without Technical Finish, PLD without Passage of Arms-wait, okay, maybe not that one. Also do your loving quests, with flying and skip cutscene it takes like 15 min tops.
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Mar 8, 2022 18:53
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Doing job quests is part of leveling the job. If you haven't done them, then you don't have the job leveled imo. If you're going to whine this much about it just buy the level skip.
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CJ posted:I don't think that not playing optimally in random dungeons makes you an rear end in a top hat. There are plenty of people who don't do their rotation properly and end up doing half the damage they should have, or don't have a full up to date set of gear, or don't heal well, or only pull one pack at a time, or don't use their defensive cooldowns properly. That's the expectation for that content. Yok do know that the correct one assures a proc right? You are sacrificing a lot of damage over time.
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Mar 8, 2022 18:58
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CJ posted:Out of those i've only levelled Red mage. Not having Verholy wasn't a big deal because i just used Verflare instead and corrected for the slight mana imbalance. “Slight mana imbalance” Uh, you are most assuringly leaving *a lot* of damage on the table trying to correct this at all My god why are you being so stupidly stubborn about this
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MechaX posted:My god why are you being so stupidly stubborn about this https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561?lang=en
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Mar 8, 2022 19:13
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CJ source your quotes! this has gone on long enough!
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wow, this patch is a gigantic pain in the rear end. it looks like squeenix is down too?
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CJ posted:I don't think that not playing optimally in random dungeons makes you an rear end in a top hat. There are plenty of people who don't do their rotation properly and end up doing half the damage they should have, or don't have a full up to date set of gear, or don't heal well, or only pull one pack at a time, or don't use their defensive cooldowns properly. That's the expectation for that content. Dumb dumb
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This dog pile is infinitely weirder than one guy leveling a job to 90 through roulettes without doing their Stormblood quests because they're never touching the job again until 7.0.
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no it isnt do your job quest
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Hra Mormo posted:This dog pile is infinitely weirder than one guy leveling a job to 90 through roulettes without doing their Stormblood quests because they're never touching the job again until 7.0. How bout..No.
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FFXIV is a multiplayer game and you owe it to the people you are playing with to not deliberately waste their time through things like not doing job quests.
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Hi all, I started playing recently and am running into some trouble. I’ve been been loving the main story quests and have been focusing exclusively on those because they’re so good, but I’ve hit a bottleneck a few hours into Heavensward where people have been leaving a few minutes into every dungeon I’m in, calling me an idiot on the way out. They say I’m dragging down the party, but I don’t know how that’s possible. I’m overleveled for the dungeons (I’m queueing for Sohm Al as a level 55 ARC) and my gear is decent (mostly dungeon drops in the 45-51 range). What am I doing wrong here?
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other things that are good: the rdm job quests, why would you not want to help that nice catboy and his adopted daughter edit: in hindsight, drat this game has a lot of sad dads and their adopted daughters storylines Gnossiennes fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Mar 8, 2022 |
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blastron posted:Hi all, I started playing recently and am running into some trouble. I’ve been been loving the main story quests and have been focusing exclusively on those because they’re so good, but I’ve hit a bottleneck a few hours into Heavensward where people have been leaving a few minutes into every dungeon I’m in, calling me an idiot on the way out. They say I’m dragging down the party, but I don’t know how that’s possible. I’m overleveled for the dungeons (I’m queueing for Sohm Al as a level 55 ARC) and my gear is decent (mostly dungeon drops in the 45-51 range). What am I doing wrong here? If you aren't doing dumb poo poo that results in you dying frequently, they're probably mad about you not having done the job quests that will "upgrade" Arcanist into Summoner/Scholar. You still get to keep your old abilities when you equip a job stone, AFAIK, so there's not a lot of reason to stick to a base class when it's possible to upgrade, unless you want to make things more difficult for yourself (and your teammates). 
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Bloody Emissary posted:If you aren't doing dumb poo poo that results in you dying frequently, they're probably mad about you not having done the job quests that will "upgrade" Arcanist into Summoner/Scholar. You still get to keep your old abilities when you equip a job stone, AFAIK, so there's not a lot of reason to stick to a base class when it's possible to upgrade, unless you want to make things more difficult for yourself (and your teammates). 
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What I don’t get is how someone who managed to buy a house prior to Endwalker would find doing job quests too much of a hassle.
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Doing the HW crafter quests and there's a great moment in the Armorer questline in which a tank refuses to upgrade his gear and essentially tells the healer to adjust. This game is great 
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CJ posted:I don't think that not playing optimally in random dungeons makes you an rear end in a top hat. There are plenty of people who don't do their rotation properly and end up doing half the damage they should have, or don't have a full up to date set of gear, or don't heal well, or only pull one pack at a time, or don't use their defensive cooldowns properly. That's the expectation for that content. There's a difference between playing suboptimally because you haven't learned to play the game correctly and playing the game suboptimally because you're deliberately choosing to hamstring yourself by not unlocking all of your job's abilities. The first one just means you're bad, while the second makes you bad and an rear end in a top hat, because you know you're doing things wrong and refusing to accept responsibility for making things harder on yourself and the rest of your party.
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I refuse to upgrade my gear. New gear is just a waste of time and bad game design. They should just make everything glams. To protest this injustice I will only be doing dungeons in my level 1 2b glams
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ImpAtom posted:I refuse to upgrade my gear. New gear is just a waste of time and bad game design. They should just make everything glams. To protest this injustice I will only be doing dungeons in my level 1 2b glams drat you for sneakily editing out clams Everything should be clams
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of all the class quests to dismiss because you assume the devs don't care about the story, you picked dark knight just lmao really
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Zomborgon posted:drat you for sneakily editing out clams I was very tempted not to. My phoneposting sucks
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So I've been playing FFXIV on Linux for several months now after finally dropping Windows. I'm using Steam Proton on Linux Mint, and it's been flawless, except for the glaring issue of not being able to properly run the new launcher to actually start the game. Up until yesterday, I've been able to just force the old launcher in the config settings. Unfortunately, yesterday's update broke this because they now force the new launcher no matter what. Even if you try to put NOSTEAM=1 in your launch options, you won't be able to log in because of this Steam account linking they're making us do. Here's some bug tracking stuff I found today as well as an official forum thread calling out the issue: https://www.protondb.com/app/39210 https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/580 https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48006 https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/457352-Old-launcher-no-longer-working/ Just calling it out here in case anyone's interested in helping tackle this issue, and as a warning to anyone interested in playing FFXIV in Linux. Again, the game itself has been perfect; it's just the lovely new launcher that's the problem! DizzyBum fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Mar 8, 2022 |
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Kerrzhe posted:of all the class quests to dismiss because you assume the devs don't care about the story, you picked dark knight It's been a while but i'm pretty sure one of the last quests i did had the moogles do a funny dance and tell me the dark arts were actually the power of friendship or something. I don't think i'm missing out.
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Ultimately I find it tough to sympathize with the CJ position, it's probably under 30 mins to get through most stormblood class quests if you're mashing skip. But I also find it hard to care enough to get mad about as long as it's constrained to the roulettes where everyone can just push buttons randomly and it makes minimal difference
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CJ posted:I don't think that not playing optimally in random dungeons makes you an rear end in a top hat. There are plenty of people who don't do their rotation properly and end up doing half the damage they should have, or don't have a full up to date set of gear, or don't heal well, or only pull one pack at a time, or don't use their defensive cooldowns properly. That's the expectation for that content. You’re an rear end in a top hat. 100% Now own up to it. You are actively dragging down others experience because you can’t be bothered to skip some cutscenes and take half an hour to get an extremely important ability. I don’t get how you think the expectation for content is “everyone half-asses it.” I’ve been playing since 2.0 and I’m levelling all my jobs to 90 right now and I can’t tell you the only ones to truly half-rear end things have always been 100% pure strain assholes. Sometimes people don’t always have best gear, sometimes someone just plain sucks at the game but when that happens the expectation is when the player isn’t at their best they’re sorry about it because they realize they’ve made things hard for other players. You want to not unlock Blackest Night? Fine, then run with trusts otherwise you’re an rear end in a top hat. I played with a DRK who queued for the 89 dungeon with mainly ilvl 530 gear still. He was surprised when the healer rage quit after the 2nd pull because surprise surprise he took damage like crazy and actively made the experience like a drat savage raid for the poor healer. I called him out on why he didn’t have the free 560 gear and his answer was the same as yours “it’s dungeons, and I’m almost 90. I couldn’t be bothered.” He is an rear end in a top hat. Is he allowed to do what he did? Sure, but anyone who plays like that is a huge poo poo. Pulling 1 pack at a time is NOT the same thing. If someone wants to take things slow because that’s how their comfortable with things, that’s perfectly fine. You can do what you want, it’s your sub, but please admit that you’re being a poo poo.
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the simple solution is to do the job quests and skip the cutscenes
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CJ unironically pulling out the "you dont pay my sub" but in more words.
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DizzyBum posted:So I've been playing FFXIV on Linux for several months now after finally dropping Windows. I'm using Steam Proton on Linux Mint, and it's been flawless, except for the glaring issue of not being able to properly run the new launcher to actually start the game. Up until yesterday, I've been able to just force the old launcher in the config settings. Unfortunately, yesterday's update broke this because they now force the new launcher no matter what. Even if you try to put NOSTEAM=1 in your launch options, you won't be able to log in because of this Steam account linking they're making us do. Based on a PC Gamer article I saw this morning, it sounds like lots of Steam players are having issues related to the change, even on Windows.
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I saw one person say it didn't work because they had katakana in their Steam name and had to change it to basic characters. Seems like a pretty big oversight for a Japanese game to make.
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Thundarr posted:Based on a PC Gamer article I saw this morning, it sounds like lots of Steam players are having issues related to the change, even on Windows. Also, unless I'm misunderstanding, I think Steam players can't use thirdparty launchers anymore? Hopefully the devs of those launchers can find a workaround.
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Thundarr posted:Based on a PC Gamer article I saw this morning, it sounds like lots of Steam players are having issues related to the change, even on Windows. CJ posted:I saw one person say it didn't work because they had katakana in their Steam name and had to change it to basic characters. Seems like a pretty big oversight for a Japanese game to make. Veotax posted:Also, unless I'm misunderstanding, I think Steam players can't use thirdparty launchers anymore? All of these are correct. On the plus side, GabeN apparently plays a lot of FFXIV and has been doing so on the Steam Deck, too. Hopefully that gets us a fix one way or another.
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CJ posted:It's been a while but i'm pretty sure one of the last quests i did had the moogles do a funny dance and tell me the dark arts were actually the power of friendship or something. I don't think i'm missing out. The moogles weren't wrong.
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