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MassRafTer posted:It really is funny how many people are stepping on rakes over this. what does this guy think the job of a commentator is?
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MassRafTer posted:It really is funny how many people are stepping on rakes over this. "If they had done this thing badly, it might have been bad". Some real loving geniuses on Twitter tonight!
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https://twitter.com/THEVinceRusso/status/1501248890007289857 wrap it up aewailures
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MassRafTer posted:It really is funny how many people are stepping on rakes over this. People in the replies are like “But Excalibur explained what it was on commentary” and he replies “Yeah but I think he only did that because he could tell people were confused” and it is another window into how bad people can be at the simple act of watching TV
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Mar 8, 2022 20:09
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When something happens which references something I don't know about I think "I'd like to learn more about that"
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Trying posted:When something happens which references something I don't know about I think "I'd like to learn more about that" Congratulations on being an adult It blows my mind how many people are so self centered that they feel entitled to have everything cater to them specifically
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xbilkis posted:People in the replies are like “But Excalibur explained what it was on commentary” and he replies “Yeah but I think he only did that because he could tell people were confused” and it is another window into how bad people can be at the simple act of watching TV Excalibur, on the spot, realized that an arena filled with cheering fans (many of whom were singing along to the music) and the entire at-home viewing audience were confused. He really is the best in the game.
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Mar 8, 2022 20:20
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Elephant Ambush posted:Congratulations on being an adult which is funny because why would you have that sense of entitlement yet watch WWE, which caters exclusively to the whims of an insane old man with goo brains?
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I even think it’s fine to go “I didn’t immediately understand this niche reference and was lost until it got explained.” It’s nonsense to go “I didn’t immediately understand this niche reference, and that’s inherently bad even though it was explained on commentary.” People need to have a sense of scale and understand that 20 seconds of confusion during a 4 hour broadcast can maybe be OK in service of a larger story and a segment of the audience it will really, really connect with. (And also, people outside spaces like this thread need to stop giving stuff like this oxygen even if it feels good to dunk on. So much of online wrestling discourse can boil down to “Whooooooooo carreeeeeessssss”)
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Trying posted:When something happens which references something I don't know about I think "I'd like to learn more about that" I had this feeling when I started watching Doctor Who. I started at the weeping angel episode and went through the end of that season. And there were so many references that it made the world feel lived in. I never felt scared or confused lol. It made me like the show more. I love that feeling of trying to figure out the lore. These people on twitter must hate Fromsoft games.
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Ganso Bomb posted:Excalibur, on the spot, realized that an arena filled with cheering fans (many of whom were singing along to the music) and the entire at-home viewing audience were confused. He really is the best in the game. I mean, yes.
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It's just another chance for people to concern-troll about Alienating the Casual Viewer
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every time i don't understand a reference to something my wife leaves me again
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This is why WWE made like a billion dollars, so many people are dumb as hell and assume everyone else is dumb as hell, too.
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Wrestling is the only niche product where fanboys consistently handwring about appealing to "Casual Viewers" and it's kind of hilarious compared to like Gamers who poo poo their pants at the thought of casual fans being allowed to play their games
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AEW is the Dark Souls of wrestling, apparently.
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Stone Punkbull 141 posted:AEW is the Dark Souls of wrestling, apparently. By that comparison WWE would be like Anthem or the Avengers game, one of them games that cost a billion dollars to make and gets massive marketing hype and everyone plays it but nobody actually likes it.
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Drakkel posted:By that comparison WWE would be like Anthem or the Avengers game, one of them games that cost a billion dollars to make and gets massive marketing hype and everyone plays it but nobody actually likes it. Would that make GCW Devolver Digital?
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Drakkel posted:Wrestling is the only niche product where fanboys consistently handwring about appealing to "Casual Viewers" and it's kind of hilarious compared to like Gamers who poo poo their pants at the thought of casual fans being allowed to play their games and they're the same people in a lot of cases
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Drakkel posted:By that comparison WWE would be like Anthem or the Avengers game, one of them games that cost a billion dollars to make and gets massive marketing hype and everyone plays it but nobody actually likes it. If Ubisoft made Elden Ring: 
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MassRafTer posted:It really is funny how many people are stepping on rakes over this. I was just thinking to myself the other day how some wrestling fans come up with weird logic for complaining about things like this. Cobra Kai had Carrie Underwood cover a song from the first Karate Kid movie. You wouldn't get the reference without going back to a movie from the 80s but I doubt anyone is as baffled by it. Do fans of the Marvel movies bitch about "how am I supposed to take the loss of half of humanity serious when it's some goofy purple bastard doing it and there's a talking racoon from some outlaw mud show running around?"
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Mar 8, 2022 21:18
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I don't get why people who don't get the reference care, he just came out to a different song. If you don't get why what does it matter? It's just an entrance theme. Undertaker came out to johnny cash once and people didn't poo poo themselves cause they didn't understand it.
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Mar 8, 2022 21:29
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Marvel fans have a whole industry of "explainer" articles so no "easter egg" goes unfound. same with Star Wars. wrestling fans are just super defensive because the thing they like is absolute mass popularity poison so their version of an easter egg explainer article is "I didn't know what this was and that's why nobody else watches this."
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Karma Tornado posted:Marvel fans have a whole industry of "explainer" articles so no "easter egg" goes unfound. same with Star Wars. wrestling fans are just super defensive because the thing they like is absolute mass popularity poison so their version of an easter egg explainer article is "I didn't know what this was and that's why nobody else watches this." It's partly because WWE has trained them to expect everything to be spoonfed to them. Like, they wanted someone on an AEW TV show to tell them that was Punk's old ROH entrance before he did it at the PPV so they could be "in on it" instead of it being the amazing surprise that it was
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Drakkel posted:Wrestling is the only niche product where fanboys consistently handwring about appealing to "Casual Viewers" and it's kind of hilarious compared to like Gamers who poo poo their pants at the thought of casual fans being allowed to play their games I don’t think this is true necessarily - baseball has had years of debate about rule changes ostensibly designed to make the game more appealing to casual fans, and there are a decent number of hardcore fans who support the changes on those grounds (although there are more traditionalists opposed to them). I assume the same is true for other things that are dealing with steep falls from a peak in popularity, but you usually have to put in a little more legwork to get to those corners of the fandom. I think it’s way more pervasive (and more annoying) in wrestling for a few reasons: -Wrestling fan discourse is to a strange degree centered on maximizing revenue generation rather than subjective quality -Many wresting fans seem to live in a state of paranoia about the medium ceasing to exist (which I guess is understandable to a certain extent, given WWE monopolization over the past 20+ years) -Others yearn for a bygone era in which their niche interest was mainstream, not understanding that the diversification of media options has basically made it impossible to recreate late 90s conditions -A vocal contingent of online wrestling fans have not actually enjoyed any wrestling product in the past two decades, and appealing to the idea of new/casual fans is just a tool to argue for the superiority of their preferred vision of wrestling -Wrestling fans have a propensity to exist in a media consumption bubble that gives them a very bad perspective on what would actually appeal to people who aren’t currently fans Like, you don’t have high-profile weirdo baseball Twitter accounts called @MLBFails where they post clips of guys swinging at a high and outside fastball or hitting directly into a shift and posting “Lmao clown poo poo 😂😂😂 This is why the fans aren’t coming back Manfraud” with hundreds of people who post about baseball every day egging them on in the comments. People have the dignity to just move on and find a new interest
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Drakkel posted:Wrestling is the only niche product where fanboys consistently handwring about appealing to "Casual Viewers" and it's kind of hilarious compared to like Gamers who poo poo their pants at the thought of casual fans being allowed to play their games I thimk that if AEW was appealing to casuals (it 100% is, because it has colourful characters, entertaining storylines and puts on amazingly good and fun matches on free TV weekly, but if the Twitter wrestling weirdoes thought it was and the WWE wasn't), they'd be shouting elitist poo poo about keeping out the casuals and the women. AEW literally can't win because these people decided it must be bad and are now trying to justify that position with whatever poo poo they can think of.
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God the way wrestling fans care so much about how much money the companies are making is also really weird. Like so many fanboys on twitter will counter any AEW/WWE comparison with "Yeah but they make more money so they're clearly better" like somehow that's supposed to matter to anybody besides shareholders. I COULD go to a fancy restaurant but Burger King makes more money so clearly their food is better.
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Trying posted:Wrestling fandom is sports fandom but not quite hence everything It’s somehow the worse of sports fandom and pop culture fandom at the same time. Because at least a lot of sports fans are routinely humbled by losses. But wrestling fans just trade weird barometers for “winning” like a bunch of people arguing that the streaming numbers are bigger than the box office.
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Wrestling fans know that everyone thinks they’re a massive idiot for watching wrestling, they’re desperate for validation.
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Elephant Ambush posted:It's partly because WWE has trained them to expect everything to be spoonfed to them. Like, they wanted someone on an AEW TV show to tell them that was Punk's old ROH entrance before he did it at the PPV so they could be "in on it" instead of it being the amazing surprise that it was Wrestling fans above all other fandoms definitely get the angriest and most defensive about not 'getting' something. Was there discourse over MJF using old Punk promo lines in the go home show before the PPV? Genuinely curious if the wrestling discourse would be better if WWE didn't have a pile of poo poo for a product, but NJPW hardcore fans seem to indicate that it would just be a different flavor of the same sauce.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:I thimk that if AEW was appealing to casuals (it 100% is, because it has colourful characters, entertaining storylines and puts on amazingly good and fun matches on free TV weekly, but if the Twitter wrestling weirdoes thought it was and the WWE wasn't), they'd be shouting elitist poo poo about keeping out the casuals and the women. AEW literally can't win because these people decided it must be bad and are now trying to justify that position with whatever poo poo they can think of. the kind of people who worry about AEW not attracting casual fans are saying that because they think casual fans don't actually want to watch the wrestling matches
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From my limited experience the two things that best attract casual fans are: 1) funny stuff 2) cool stuff Luckily AEW has quite a lot of both.
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Shard posted:I had this feeling when I started watching Doctor Who. I started at the weeping angel episode and went through the end of that season. And there were so many references that it made the world feel lived in. I never felt scared or confused lol. It made me like the show more. I love that feeling of trying to figure out the lore. Let me tell you about Big Finish...
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Akileese posted:Wrestling fans above all other fandoms definitely get the angriest and most defensive about not 'getting' something. Was there discourse over MJF using old Punk promo lines in the go home show before the PPV? Given how the AEW thread can get it'd probably still be there and annoying but nowhere near the level WWE gets
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CobiWann posted:Let me tell you about Big Finish... My favorite Big Finish joke is the meme of 12s speech from when the Cybermen were attacking him and he was pleading for the masters to help him and he has this great line like "it's certainly not because it's cheap!"
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CobiWann posted:Let me tell you about Big Finish... Big Finish is the reason why Eight is my favourite Doctor. And the reason why Six is in my top five instead of dead last.
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Akileese posted:Wrestling fans above all other fandoms definitely get the angriest and most defensive about not 'getting' something. Was there discourse over MJF using old Punk promo lines in the go home show before the PPV? the promo joe youtube channel generally has my back for that kind of stuff. it's funny too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9hvZNiuSHY
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