Loyalist Legions posted:

Dark Angels:
* New Legion Trait: every unit unless specified on their unit entry can select a single Hexagrammaton Wing which will confer a specific bonus - e.g Firewing = +1 to wound against units containing a model with the Independent Character special rule
* Unique Reaction “Angels of Death”: when a charge is declared against a unit with the Legiones Astartes: Dark Angels special rule that unit must take a Leadership test - if passed the unit being charged gains the Fearless & Fear special rules, if failed it gains Stubborn & Fear instead
* Warlord Trait 1: All Dark Angels units in the detachment gain +1 Ld while in line of sight of the Warlord, and the Warlord can take an additional reaction in a specific phase dependant upon which Hexagrammaton Wing they have selected
* Warlord Trait 2: Select a single faction (e.g Legiones Astartes), once per battle for a single turn the Warlord and any unit they have joined can increased either their WS or BS when targetting units which belong to the selected faction - the Warlord can also take an additional reaction during the Assault phase
* Unique Consul (+30 points): may select an Order of the Hekatonystika option for free, increases WS to 6 & Ld to 10, must take a Terranic Greatsword

White Scars:
* New Legion Trait: every unit with the Legiones Astartes: White Scars special rule increases their movement characteristic by 1”, and whenever rolling to decide first player/ seize the initiative, a White Scars playermay roll two dice and discard the lowest
* Unique Reaction: when an enemy unit moves within 12” of a unit with the Legiones Astartes: White Scars special rule, all friendly units within 12” inches of the enemy unit may immediately make a normal move (jump infantry can choose to activate their jump packs as part of this) - all units which do so cannot run this turn
* Warlord Trait 1 (Loyalist only): this model & any unit they join are Stubborn, if this model is slain every Legiones Astartes: White Scars unit within Line of Sight gains the Fearless special rule for the remainder of the battle - may also make an additional reaction during the assault phase
* Warlord Trait 2: this model & any unit their join ignore all difficult terrain rules & gain a +4 (invulnerable?) save against wounds inflicted by dangerous terrain - gain an additional reaction during the movement phase
* Warlord Trait 3 (Traitors Only): when this army includes a Sons of Horus allied detachment, the Warlord & any unit they join automatically pass any morale or pinning tests they are required to make
* Chogorian Brotherhood Rite Alterations: Bikes & Jetbikes gain the Line special rule & the detachment may not take any Heavy Support or Fortification choices unless they have the Fly keyword
* Sagyar Mazan Rite Alterations: Ebon Keshig may only be taken as troop choices in this detachment and all such units gain the Fearless special rule during the assault phase
* Stormseer Consul (+45 points): gains the Psyker & Adamantium Will special rules, may take a Psychic Hood for +20 points, gains access to two new White Scars psychic powers

Space Wolves
* New Legion Trait: any Legiones Astartes: Space Wolves unit which chooses to Run may still make a shooting attack in the shooting phase (resolved as Snap Shots) and may still declare a Charge in the assault phase - any such units which cannot Run (e.g Cataphractii terminators) instead gain +1 WS on any turn in which they Charge, even if it is a Disordered Charge
* Unique Reaction: once per battle if any enemy model starts it’s movement within 12” of at least one Legiones Astartes: Space Wolves unit, a single such unit can make a move equal to or less than it’s highest Initiative value in inches & then make a charge against the triggering unit (charge is resolved immediately, assault continues as normal in the assault phase)
* Warlord Trait 1: this warlord gains an additional wound at the end of an assault phase in which they inflict at least one unsaved wound on an enemy model - can’t bring the warlord above their starting wounds value, instead conferring +1 Str on melee attacks until the end of the turn if triggered before the model has lost any wounds - can also make an additional reaction during the assault phase
* Warlord Trait 2 “The Howl of Morkai”: once per battle, all friendly Legiones Astartes: Space Wolves models gain +1 Str if they successfully charge an enemy unit that turn - may also carry out an additional Reaction during the movement phase
* Warlord Trait 3: the Warlord & any unit they join gain Preferred Enemy (Independent Characters) as well as a 4+ Feel No Pain save while locked in a combat against any Independent Character - may also carry out an additional Reaction during the movement phase
* Jarl Praetor Upgrade (+10 points): gains Counterattack, may also be given the Skirmish subtype at no additional cost
* Pack Thane Consul (+10 points): gains Counterattack, may also be given the Skirmish subtype at no additional cost, cannot take a Bike/ Jetbike
* Speaker of the Dead Consul (+65 points): consul & any unit they join gain the Hatred (Everything!) & Stubborn special rules, consul also gains a master-crafted power maul
* Caster of Runes Consul (+45 points): gains the Psyker subtype, must select one of 4 psychic disciplines, may take a psychic hood for +20 points
* “Grey Stalker” Unit (may just be Grey Slayer Alterations): unit with Relentless, Counterattack & Heart of the Legion special rules, chainswords & bolt pistols (any may take bolters/ swap chainswords for power weapons), one in 5 can take a special weapon

Imperial Fists:
* New Legion Trait: all Legiones Astartes: Imperial Fists models gain +1 to hit with all Auto or Bolt weapons when conducting a shooting attack (including during reactions)
* Unique Reaction: when an enemy unit moves within 10” or (and?) within line of sight of an Imperial Fists unit, may immediately declare a Charge with said unit as if it was the owning player’s assault phase - charge distance is d6 + unit’s lowest unmodified Initiative value in inches (rules like Hammer of Wrath & charge bonuses do apply), if successful the ongoing combat is resolved as normal during the assault phase, if failed no surge move is made
* Warlord Trait 1 “Solar Marshal” (Loyalist only): warlord & any unit they join gain +1 WS when locked in combat with any Traitor allegiance unit - may also make an additional reaction in any of their opponent’s phases
* Warlord Trait 2: when within 6” of an Objective/ while within their own Deployment Zone, the Warlord & any unit they join may auto-pass any Morale & Pinning tests they are required to make - may also make an additional reaction during the assault phase
* Warlord Trait 3: warlord & any unit they join may re-roll To Hit rolls of 1 while they are within an area of terrain which is conferring them a cover save/ embarked within a Fortification - may also make an additional reaction during the shooting phase
* Stone Gauntlet Rite Alterations: Phalanx Warders gain the Line and Heart of the Legion special rules, models with Boarding Shields in unit coherency with at least 2 other models also equipped with Boarding Shields may re-roll all failed Invulnerable saves against shooting attacks/ attacks made during the Fight Sub-Phase (re-rolls cannot be made if the unit has made a Run/ Charge/ Sweeping Advance move)
* Illiastus Pattern Assault Cannon Alterations: now Assault 4 rather than Heavy, Malfunction now confers the Gets Hot! rule to any shooting attacks made with the weapon as part of a Reaction
* Castellan Consul (+20 points): model gains the Fire Support special rule & the Heavy unit sub-type, can take either a master-crafted heavy bolter or autocannon - can increase the number of attack rolls made by a heavy weapon by 1 (that they’re equipped with? by a unit they’ve joined? idk) when making a shooting attack - any Legion Heavy Support squad they join gains the Line sub-type

Hixson posted:

I’ll be sticking to mournival tyvm

quote:

>You can combine multiple units deploying the same way into a single reserve roll, like deep strikers. So if you declare a deep strike assault you can, for example, drop 3 units of assault marines on the same area, and then assault with themIt's risky, as interceptor is a thing and cognis signums let you interceptor without spending a point on reactions - then overwatch at full

>Outflank works like in AT

>There's a bunch of different subtypes of MC. Dreads, Daemonic MC, and so on are in with different rules.

>Cybernetica had another major nerf they can't do reactions and move extra slow not sure what they are thinking desu idk who will play them anymore now that GW had a go at them with the stick

>Dreads have Wargear that makes them immune to instant death, take D3 wounds instead and are vulnerable to melta and haywire.

>S is capped at 20, but over ten is just for instant death purposes. Dreads can take chainfist to get to S8, leviathan S12, Landspeeders are just a T6 jetbike now with four wounds

>Oh, and rhinos, landraiders... 2 more capacity, so putting heroes in units is easy

>TL gone in favor of more shots

>Lascannons have sunder

>Almost all vehicles are in squadrons, including the arcus, and most went up in points, all have sponsons if available by default, typhons can squadOh...

>No more psychic phase. It's a LD test now. Hoods reduce psyker leadership in a radius, and force weapons double the strength of the wielder before weapon bonuses. A psyker knows all 2-3 powers in their school. There are 8 schools.

>Almost all vehicles are in squadrons, including the arcus, and most went up in points, all have sponsons if available by default which kinda sucks for smaller games.

>Marine side, rites of war are simpler, pride of the legion is restrictive, there's an all dread rite. All gently caress hard. And predator tanks with any sponson or turret can be troops in armored breakthrough which was combined with spearhead.

>GW is pissed. Pissed pissed. So pissed as to send subpoena out for emails on the leak from the 100+ playtesters over four years. Wanting to poo poo can entire thing Because they would also have to poo poo can the possible releasing plastic thallax, predators, landraiders, and so on.

BULBASAUR posted:

Wanting to poo poo can entire thing Because they would also have to poo poo can the possible releasing plastic thallax, predators, landraiders, and so on.

JcDent posted:

Ah, so this is the most likely outcome

Good thing I haven't yet started spreading rumors that AP system wasn't changed to the good 8E because of Custodes players being terrified of ever having to roll an armor save other than 2+.

ijyt posted:

Cancelling products with expensive plastic moulds and tons of money invested is the stupidest thing I have ever read and anyone who believes it is a moron.

ijyt posted:

Cancelling products with expensive plastic moulds and tons of money invested is the stupidest thing I have ever read and anyone who believes it is a moron.

moths posted:

If the molds even exist. GW has been known to be 3d printing prototypes for months now.

JcDent posted:

That's true, GW is slightly more coherent than FW.

Though at this point, isn't GW MO to get ahead of rumors by just posting on WHC? I wonder how far off HH 2.0 Box of Plastic is that they haven't done it.

ijyt posted:

Breaking of NDA and leaks is annoying for sure from a "we weren't ready to announce this, and it makes our judgement for who we send things to look bad" but it's not "throw a tantrum and cancel everything" worthy, that's a naive viewpoint to have.

moths posted:

You're totally right, I got hung up on whether it was physically possible to cancel 30k2 at this stage.

It would also leave a significant hole in the roadmap, and I can't imagine a universe where GW cancels a release made entirely of space marine SKUs.

TammyHEH posted:

Im frustrated at being the only Australian without the whole ruleset

Mango Polo posted:

The only bad thing is that the new rules are not here yet

JcDent posted:

And "stupid AP system is still here" is a close second.

Curious about the possible box price.

JcDent posted:

Oh yeah, I love a system where a weapon either does nothing to armor or leads to unsaveable wounds.

E: unless you mean vehicle damage rules, which I don't mind.

Mango Polo posted:

I have the whole thing on my hard drive now. But you need to understand, I have honor. As someone who works in the game industry I have signed many NDAs. That’s Non Disclosure Agreement, in case you didn’t know, and I can safely assume you didn’t know. These NDAs are proof of one’s dedication to The Cause and it’s entirely binary: you respect them (and are good) or you break them (and are bad).

I am good, ergo I will not be made a participant in the sharing (read: defacing) of Games Worksop’s NDAs (read: trust in the community). I’ve made sure to report the person who gave me the PDF to GW. I hope they sue. I hope he loses his house. Little loving rat.

Though drat those rules are awesome, believe me.

Mango Polo posted:

I have the whole thing on my hard drive now. But you need to understand, I have honor. As someone who works in the game industry I have signed many NDAs. That’s Non Disclosure Agreement, in case you didn’t know, and I can safely assume you didn’t know. These NDAs are proof of one’s dedication to The Cause and it’s entirely binary: you respect them (and are good) or you break them (and are bad).

I am good, ergo I will not be made a participant in the sharing (read: defacing) of Games Worksop’s NDAs (read: trust in the community). I’ve made sure to report the person who gave me the PDF to GW. I hope they sue. I hope he loses his house. Little loving rat.

Though drat those rules are awesome, believe me.

Mango Polo posted:

I have the whole thing on my hard drive now. But you need to understand, I have honor. As someone who works in the game industry I have signed many NDAs. That’s Non Disclosure Agreement, in case you didn’t know, and I can safely assume you didn’t know. These NDAs are proof of one’s dedication to The Cause and it’s entirely binary: you respect them (and are good) or you break them (and are bad).

I am good, ergo I will not be made a participant in the sharing (read: defacing) of Games Worksop’s NDAs (read: trust in the community). I’ve made sure to report the person who gave me the PDF to GW. I hope they sue. I hope he loses his house. Little loving rat.

Though drat those rules are awesome, believe me.

ijyt posted:

ijyt posted: