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Zerilan posted:Killmonger's opening scene is him asking a museum guide about the origins of African artifacts in an exhibit. He corrects her that some pieces she states to be from a tribe in Benin are actually Wakandan. He states that he's going to rob them, and silences her objects by pointing out that the British stole them to begin with. He brings in some white mercenaries to kill the security and take the vibranium, on his way out he gets distracted by a mask. The merc asks if that one's vibranium too, and he responds with "Nah, I'm just feelin' it" and takes it. so it could still be a Wakandan artifact also how did the British get their hands on vibranium didn’t they close their borders in the 16th century
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Zerilan posted:Black Panther is such a perfect MCU movie to look at for this because they did everything they could to make people not root for Killmonger and failed. It also opens by depicting non wakanda (i.e real) Africans being slavers
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Zerilan posted:Black Panther is such a perfect MCU movie to look at for this because they did everything they could to make people not root for Killmonger and failed. honestly it's still incredible to me that even though the MCU has its own fictional spy agency they went with the freakin CIA for Black Panther. how blatant can they get lol
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Srice posted:honestly it's still incredible to me that even though the MCU has its own fictional spy agency they went with the freakin CIA for Black Panther. how blatant can they get lol Especially considering that by Wakandan's own laws, Killmonger rightfully became king, so it's literally them pulling a coup against the legitimate leader. Also the opening of the movie is literally the nation's ruler secretly committing an extrajudicial murder in another country.
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Zerilan posted:Especially considering that by Wakandan's own laws, Killmonger rightfully became king, so it's literally them pulling a coup against the legitimate leader. right? It's insane how unsubtle it is
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Mar 9, 2022 15:13
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Black Panther? More like Black ops!
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Srice posted:honestly it's still incredible to me that even though the MCU has its own fictional spy agency they went with the freakin CIA for Black Panther. how blatant can they get lol this still blows my mind, yeah
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Mar 9, 2022 15:31
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All societies are born with an inherent desire to help the CIA, evil leaders just suppress this urge - the movie for children
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the best part about agent bilbo in Black Panther is that his comics version isn’t even in the CIA, he’s a state department paper pusher or some poo poo. The CIA getting involved is a MCU addition!
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it's okay because there are a couple jokes at his expense
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:the best part about agent bilbo in Black Panther is that his comics version isn’t even in the CIA, he’s a state department paper pusher or some poo poo. The CIA getting involved is a MCU addition! nobody knows what the state department is or what they do and it’s functionally just a branch of the CIA anyway
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:the best part about agent bilbo in Black Panther is that his comics version isn’t even in the CIA, he’s a state department paper pusher or some poo poo. The CIA getting involved is a MCU addition! what you expect a hyper-advanced country to be able to just fix their own problems without american/white intervention? Though real talk how much money is the US dumping into those movies because between that and the Iron Man franchise it has to be a fair amount
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:the best part about agent bilbo in Black Panther is that his comics version isn’t even in the CIA, he’s a state department paper pusher or some poo poo. The CIA getting involved is a MCU addition! I think it was even a point in the comic that US chose to send someone like him as a slight against Wakanda.
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Zerilan posted:Especially considering that by Wakandan's own laws, Killmonger rightfully became king, so it's literally them pulling a coup against the legitimate leader. The whole climax scene doesn't work if the all-female Wakandan honor guard doesn't turn on Killmonger for no reason. They give up on millennia old traditions and obligations because Killmonger is bad? OK. They're definitely painting themselves into a corner where the same contradiction has to pop up over and over again or else the whole moral structure of the universe falls apart. You end up having to make the heroes wait for some kind of moral threshold to be crossed where the people with legitimate grievances have to be stopped under any circumstance, based purely on principle. But aren't these actors operating on their own principles? The Falcon tv show recognizes that the liberal order undermines itself by empowering state actors to constantly undermine its rationale by violating the humanity of common people, but then doubles down on saying the system is fine if the right people are in charge and they're committed to doing good. But you have a long running contextual canon that establishes this is a recurring problem which can't be resolved with a return to status quo ante.
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lol https://twitter.com/zoerosebryant/status/1501297218921250819?s=21
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Its funny cause the CIa made a bunch of cute tweets about Black panther during the oscars that year https://twitter.com/cia/status/1099844069092741121?s=21 Bonus funny tweet https://twitter.com/ellle_em/status/1099927134972334080?s=21
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wakanda. what would a hyper advanced African nation with unbelievably powerful technology look like? how would it operate? uh idk. they would have spears. cause that's what people in Africa have. but the spears would shoot lasers
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Also they don't have colonialism because that's bad so I guess they're entirely isolationist in spite of miracle technology that could change the world for the better
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Also they don't have colonialism because that's bad so I guess they're entirely isolationist in spite of miracle technology that could change the world for the better A bunch of rich people walling themselves off in their own paradise while the less fortunate lands around them get razed to the ground seems pretty realistic to me.
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no you can't have the vibranium because you wouldn't know how to use it responsibly. now excuse us our royalty are about to fight to the death for the privilege of becoming batman
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believable to an extent but also just playing with the super racist heart of darkness trope "but what if super advanced"
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Also the more apelike tribes of africans ride rhinos while their CIA aligned cousins ride hover-copters.
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Mar 9, 2022 19:18
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I think we can conclusively say Black Panther is not socialist.
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but now we must ask: is it the most lib movie to ever be made
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I was thinking you could hit a politics t-shirt double whammy if you made a design with Barack Obama styled as Black Panther because you have it say "BARACK PANTHER" on the bottom for libs, but "BLACK PANDERER" on the bottom for cons - sharks, i'm asking for $8 million for 2% of this idea
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Casey Finnigan posted:wakanda. the climactic battle in Infinity War was waged on an open plain with melee weapons also their standard greeting is in English for some reason
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I think we can conclusively say Black Panther is not socialist. What if he renounced his title?!?! indigi posted:the climactic battle in Infinity War was waged on an open plain with melee weapons NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY GAME OF THRONES' USE OF DRAGONS GOT EVERYTHING ABOUT AERIAL WARFARE WRONG.
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Using Killmongers story arc to teach children about Patrice Lumumba
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Wasn't Black Panther's solution to worldwide white supremacy to open a community center in Oakland?
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:but now we must ask:  I think there is a very strong case. (I am also assuming this Tweet wasn't some massive troll that I fell for.)
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Advanced civilization that decides rule by battle to the death. Not racist.
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Eric Cantonese posted:A bunch of rich people walling themselves off in their own paradise while the less fortunate lands around them get razed to the ground seems pretty realistic to me. I just put it together: There's mag lev trains, a mirage screen to hide from the outside world... Vibranium is just Rearden Metal but African. Wakanda is Galt's Gulch.
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Ta Nehisi Coates wrote that story where Black Panther must defeat the evil organization known as "The People" who wish to depose the monarchy. I think it opens with him beating up a bunch of Wakandan miners lmao
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Femur posted:Advanced civilization that decides rule by battle to the death. Not racist. also how did his dad get to stay king into his 60s when Mbaka could have tombstoned his old rear end
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The climax of black panther has the white cia agent use a drone to murder black revolutionaries
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oh don't forget the old king murdered his brother for trying to provide aid to people outside their country
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Much like the Incredibles, Black Panther will lead more and more kids to the mental clarity that comes with reading Ayn Rand.
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Killmonger's death scene actually got to me on an emotional level, which probably isn't what you should be going for after establishing him as a backstabbing sexist bad man.
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