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The appeal of Souls lore is that it's trickled around lightly so you have to put together information from item descriptions, extremely small amounts of dialogue, and the environment. Even then a lot of lore is up for debate. And then someone will come in and say that it's not up for debate because they actually know 100% of the lore of every game. And then someone else who says the same thing disagrees with them.
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So not really suited to the work of a guy who takes two books to write two-thirds of a book
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Mar 9, 2022 01:16
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From games are pretty on par for grrm since it’s a lot of dumb bullshit dressed up as if there’s some underlying meaning when in reality it’s pretty inch deep and padded out with unnecessary complexity.
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Mar 9, 2022 03:21
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There were actually nerds convinced that having GRRM "attached" meant that he would deepen and strengthen the lore instead of just give a new coat of names to a bunch of concept art.
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Mar 9, 2022 04:28
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The entire series has this thing where the game mechanics have these rather flimsy and samey lore justifying them, so the constant death is because the world is this sort of broken purgatory and the character and everything else is some form of undead thing that can't really die due the world largely being in some form of stasis, since most of the mechanics are identical between the games it feels like fromsoft basically do a find-replace on the game and just rename some things, so souls are runes in elden ring and blood echos in bloodborne, so basically given that all the old mechanics are there and just needed new names you can kinda see how all grrm could even possibly contribute is some flavor text that had to work (or be fit into) the constraints of the actual game. Like, there's a few big bosses who made the world worse by refusing to die and you have to go kill them and collect their essence so that you can trigger the ending that somehow alters the cycle but also keeps it completely the same. That's every souls game so far, including elden ring. So yeah, grrm probably wrote the backstory of the boss who eats poop, and stuff like that, and some of it is parceled out in a few item descriptions and conversations here and there.
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Mar 9, 2022 09:26
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New GRRM blog and oh boy it’s a doozy https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2022/03/09/random-updates-and-bits-o-news/ quote:I look around, and I don’t know where 2021 went. I blinked and it was gone. Not a year that I am going to mourn much, any more than 2020. A global pandemic, so many deaths (including friends of mine, as well as celebrities of all sorts), politics grown increasingly toxic… it was a year best forgotten. I did, however, get a lot of work done in 2021. An enormous amount of work, in truth; I seem to have an enormous number of projects. Lmfao he’s one blog away from announcing defeat.
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Mar 9, 2022 20:00
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I have better odds on Winds releasing than any of those projects being good, yikes.
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Mar 9, 2022 20:43
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the grrm cinematic universe
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Mar 9, 2022 20:44
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The world of Westeros is his number one priority. Fucker is raising the white flag.
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Mar 10, 2022 02:00
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Who is going to watch all of these GoT shows after the end of GoT?
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Mar 10, 2022 05:49
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Yon Absolute Fucker posted:The world of Westeros, the world of A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, is my number one priority, and will remain so until the story is told. But Westeros has become bigger than THE WINDS OF WINTER, or even A SONG OF ICE & FIRE. gently caress everything about this dude. Seriously. I don't even give a gently caress that you just want to cash out fat man, but you're still pissing on everyone's legs and telling them it's rain. You're choosing to be a media nexus instead of a writer because you know drat well the former gets your dick sucked a lot more. That's gross, but understandable. But you made your bones as a writer and refuse to give up the job. Pick a loving lane before you die, you piece of goddamn garbage. Who the gently caress is even buying this poo poo anymore? Not even his justifications, I mean the literal products. Who is still buying GoT material of any kind in 2022?
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Mar 10, 2022 07:08
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Nae posted:Who is going to watch all of these GoT shows after the end of GoT? piggies
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Mar 10, 2022 07:44
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Grrm is doing exactly what someone concerned with the fiscal value of his IP would do, he learned from HBO that pushing hard towards releasing the next big installment can be problematic, instead he's cashing in through horizontal expansion, making more tie-in content, and it's probably much easier, just writing a new short story about some fuckface king or another, doing the lore. It will all be perfect for when the next Elden Ring is ASOIAF themed.
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Mar 10, 2022 08:42
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Nae posted:Who is going to watch all of these GoT shows after the end of GoT? I don't know but I bet someone in HBO is selling them on the basis that "look those Disney Star Wars shows are doing well despite the last movie being total poo poo, so..."
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emanresu tnuocca posted:So yeah, grrm probably wrote the backstory of the boss who eats poop autobigoraphical! GRRM probably provided the general background of Godfrey, Miquella/Malenia, Marika, Radagon, it's all very Targaryen feeling at heart. Just poo poo like "the goddess was marika and her son blah blah and these european dynasties all named their kids blah can i have some pizza? you guys wanna chuck a couple of manuscript pages of TWOW in the bin on the way out? psych there aren't any" They've even got the same dumb naming sort of schemes going on. Godrick, son of Godwyn, son of Godfrey, etc etc. Morgott, Mohg, Margit, Mango, Marco Polo etc
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Mar 10, 2022 09:00
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High Warlord Zog posted:I don't know but I bet someone in HBO is selling them on the basis that "look those Disney Star Wars shows are doing well despite the last movie being total poo poo, so..." Also logistical momentum. It's loving scary. You just know there are dozens, if not hundreds, of employees who are drat well aware that if this IP goes down their career is essentially going down with it.
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Mar 10, 2022 09:14
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The problem for HBO isn’t the initial viewership for their first spin off. It’ll be high. But it’s so obviously in danger of very quickly diminishing. And when you have like 5 other spin-offs in the works that’s a bit of an issue.
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Mar 10, 2022 13:53
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I might watch the new dragon show, after it’s all out, and if people say it’s really good. All that other stuff I couldn’t give two shits about.
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Mar 10, 2022 15:13
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I still like Game of Thrones and such. I don’t think the ending of the show was as bad as everyone makes it out to be, and I also don’t find the books to be better or worse than they ever were. I’ll probably watch. My interest has waned a bit but I’m not like angry at George or whatever.
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chaosapiant posted:I still like Game of Thrones and such. I don’t think the ending of the show was as bad as everyone makes it out to be, and I also don’t find the books to be better or worse than they ever were. I’ll probably watch. My interest has waned a bit but I’m not like angry at George or whatever. wrong thread homie quote:The world of Westeros, the world of A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, is my number one priority, and will remain so until the story is told. But Westeros has become bigger than THE WINDS OF WINTER, or even A SONG OF ICE & FIRE. In addition to WINDS, I also need to deliver a bunch of pointless garbage no one cares about because it's all just lore that fleshes out the world of the story that I'm never going to finish gently caress this fat rear end in a top hat
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Mar 10, 2022 17:38
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Even if he was asked hundreds of times about Winds of Winter, spread that over nearly a decade and it’s averages out to maybe once or twice a week. gently caress that guy.
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Mar 10, 2022 20:05
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The problem for HBO isn’t the initial viewership for their first spin off. It’ll be high. But it’s so obviously in danger of very quickly diminishing. And when you have like 5 other spin-offs in the works that’s a bit of an issue. Yeah exactly, I think the first one will pick up loads of viewers who hope it's good. Then it'll either blow up into the next big thing or collapse within one season.
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Mar 10, 2022 21:38
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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It'll most likely collapse. It's very, very hard to be the "big thing" in any media these days.
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Mar 10, 2022 21:55
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I feel kind of bad for George Robert Reul Martin. Even if he's completely abandoned ASOIAF in his own mind (which I'm not sure is a given), it must do weird things to your soul to have to periodically proclaim it's coming. To live the lie. It's gotta always be there, at the back of his mind. A rock he can't get out of his shoe. Some niggling scrap caught in a back tooth. Or maybe he's just insanely rich and loving life, lol.
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Mar 10, 2022 22:00
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Power reveals, and we've gotten to see who he always wanted to be-- a showbiz huckster like Stan Lee, coasting off of some crunch poo poo he did when he was younger and hungrier while legions of subordinates do all of his poo poo and cash him out. Only he manages to make Stan Lee look like a bastion of integrity and class by comparison.
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Mar 10, 2022 22:03
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I've sat through enough "restructuring" or "organizational efficiency" calls to know that someone starts saying things like "our mission is bigger than any one department" you better let go of any expectations you had for a raise or a promotion, and maybe start polishing up your resume just to be safe. That's the vibe I got from that post. The old bastard will probably never outright admit it. The publisher might cajole him into letting them release whatever chapters he has cobbled together as installments so that they can claim that the story is still moving forward. Maybe someone will ghostwrite the conclusion after GRRM croaks. Could go a lot of different ways, but overall dude sounds pretty at peace with leaving his great work unfinished, at least as long as people will pay him to pad out the backstory.
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Mar 10, 2022 22:15
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the dude's written himself into the biggest corner of all time, and he has enough money, fame and success on the back of the show giving him a boom that he no longer has any real need to write himself out of it. so why bother when you can eat, drink and be merry
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porfiria posted:
He's apparently not rich enough to get a special exemption from the city council to build a literal castle tower, or whatever bullshit it was he wanted to do, so he is denied from fully loving life 
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It's funny to me there are two active book barn threads that are about authors who are never going to finish their series and just endless dunks on them as they pitifully claim there is "some progress" not "none progress" and "the book is coming, but look at what else I'm doing and" "it's tiresome having people constantly ask me where the book is I keep saying I am working on and have been working on for years(, and all I have to do is stop lying and saying I'm working on it but I will never admit that under any circumstances)." But I guess that's showbiz baby.
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Mar 10, 2022 23:45
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mind the walrus posted:
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Mar 10, 2022 23:47
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pseudanonymous posted:It's funny to me there are two active book barn threads that are about authors who are never going to finish their series and just endless dunks on them as they pitifully claim there is "some progress" not "none progress" and "the book is coming, but look at what else I'm doing and" "it's tiresome having people constantly ask me where the book is I keep saying I am working on and have been working on for years(, and all I have to do is stop lying and saying I'm working on it but I will never admit that under any circumstances)."
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Terrible Opinions posted:Which is the other one? Rothfuss
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absolutefucker posted:I am sorry for you. Said the scorpion as he stung the frog. At least this poo poo is honest. Mat Cauthon posted:I've sat through enough "restructuring" or "organizational efficiency" calls to know that someone starts saying things like "our mission is bigger than any one department" You loving nailed that.
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lmao a "who's who of Westeros" who gives a gently caress maybe one of the planning committee members who rejected his castle also happened to say something like "i loved your books and can't wait for the next"
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Mameluke posted:lmao a "who's who of Westeros" who gives a gently caress That is DEFINITELY a zero effort project on his part that’s right up the alley of his two Scandinavian racists and they can always use the work.
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Mar 13, 2022 00:31
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You can already find all that for free on the Internet! Then again the same can be said for those stupid books of jokes/trivia/quotes and they seem to be selling fine. And Shakespeare.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:the dude's written himself into the biggest corner of all time, and he has enough money, fame and success on the back of the show giving him a boom that he no longer has any real need to write himself out of it. And he got to use two utter gormless room temperature IQ rubes as a heat shield for all the guff his lovely ending would have generated had he ever managed to get there himself. GRRM won. Let the man enjoy his victory.
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D&D look better all things considered because it’s harder to blame them for throwing their hands up and wanting to bail after they finished season 6 and GRRM had absolutely nothing more to give them.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:D&D look better all things considered because it’s harder to blame them for throwing their hands up and wanting to bail after they finished season 6 and GRRM had absolutely nothing more to give them. A pair of better showrunners would have buckled down and put their hearts and minds into finished the show in a satisfactory way in spite of GRRM rather than absently half rear end it while looking at the exit door and dreaming about a phantom Star Wars paycheck that evaporated in femtoseconds because they half assed their demo reel for it.
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It is so, so transparent that the early success of GoT was a case of throwing enough money and deep-bench UK talent at the production until something good came out of it. I think even if they had buckled down, it wouldn't have paid off.
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