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Concerned Citizen posted:think it is probably starting to dawn on the russians that they aren't going to be able to capture the cities without taking unacceptable losses. i am guessing at this point they just shell them to keep pressure on ukraine to sign a more favorable deal See, you would think a country famous for fighting Nazis would remember those tactics don't work. All terror bombing/ purposely shelling civilians does is make them loving hate you. Morale is not dropping in Ukraine: it rises by the minute because now they just want revenge on your dumb, sick gently caress warcriming rear end
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Relevant Tangent posted:Duginism is dumb because it believes in a national soul, and because it believes in a national soul it believes that Ukrainians are Russian in some intangible soulish way. Half-baked mystic ethnonationalism. You could wrote a book about how dumb Duginism is, and it would be bigger than Dugin's book. He thinks Finland belongs in Russia and Estonia as part of Germany. The last is a major WTF when reading summaries of that insane 'ideology'. Some of this sounds like it was written by a drunk Russian who got lost in time and space - ending up in a Munich beerhall during the Weimar republic. It's not just the ideology of that time - it's the demographics and geopolitics as well.
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TulliusCicero posted:See, you would think a country famous for fighting Nazis would remember those tactics don't work.
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KitConstantine posted:"You get an antitank weapon! YOU get an antitank weapon! EVERYONE GETS ANTITANK WEAPONS!!!" Are those all different antitank weapons? Do they serve similar purposes or not? I know Ukraine got a ton of different stuff from different countries but I would think giving a squad the same stuff would make more sense so that if you lose Panzerfaust A you can still fire Panzerfaust ammo from Panzerfaust B. But maybe I'm missing something?
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Griefor posted:Are those all different antitank weapons? Do they serve similar purposes or not? I know Ukraine got a ton of different stuff from different countries but I would think giving a squad the same stuff would make more sense so that if you lose Panzerfaust A you can still fire Panzerfaust ammo from Panzerfaust B. But maybe I'm missing something? There's some slight variation in terms of mission profile: better at aircraft, doesn't cause backblast, don't need all your fingers etc etc but mostly it is a hodgepodge of equipment. The hilarity is how many there are: usually you'd have one to a formation like this period.
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Griefor posted:Are those all different antitank weapons? Do they serve similar purposes or not? I know Ukraine got a ton of different stuff from different countries but I would think giving a squad the same stuff would make more sense so that if you lose Panzerfaust A you can still fire Panzerfaust ammo from Panzerfaust B. But maybe I'm missing something? Panzerfausts don't get reloaded, you just drop the tube after you fire. That's typical of most modern anti-tank infantry equipment.
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Concerned Citizen posted:think it is probably starting to dawn on the russians that they aren't going to be able to capture the cities without taking unacceptable losses. i am guessing at this point they just shell them to keep pressure on ukraine to sign a more favorable deal Going by Sumy, Mariupol and Chernihiv they're not trying to storm cities anymore, just cutting off their supply routes and then shelling them until they collapse. Brutal as it is, Mauripol's had no power, heat or water for days now and a Ukranian MP says they'll run out of food next week. The Russian's shoot anyone who tries to leave and any humanitarian corridors immediately collapse, they seem entirely set on starving cities out. Griefor posted:Are those all different antitank weapons? Do they serve similar purposes or not? I know Ukraine got a ton of different stuff from different countries but I would think giving a squad the same stuff would make more sense so that if you lose Panzerfaust A you can still fire Panzerfaust ammo from Panzerfaust B. But maybe I'm missing something? That'd be the ideal but they're just using what they got.
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Griefor posted:Are those all different antitank weapons? Do they serve similar purposes or not? I know Ukraine got a ton of different stuff from different countries but I would think giving a squad the same stuff would make more sense so that if you lose Panzerfaust A you can still fire Panzerfaust ammo from Panzerfaust B. But maybe I'm missing something? Yeah if you have them in sufficient quantities. Right now theyre just handing out whatever they are getting from the west immediately to units on the field.
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:the most logical plan when this whole thing started was to slide into kyiv asap to kill, capture, or run off the ukrainian government and replace it with a puppet regime that would agree to russian demands, most likely formal control over luhansk/donbass and decentralization of ukraine to make it easier to peel off oblasts later as necessary. there were a lot of upsides to russia, from more profit capture over the energy trade to europe to a pliable client state and permanent banishment of NATO I mean yeah? But the first plan was also some loving spec ops wankfest bullshit They have never had a good plan at all, ever in this whole thing. And shelling civilians in a country with near military parity ( if not in some ways superior to you) does not work. You just increase resistance. Like I legitimately don't understand what the Russian plan is moving forward or why they are even there anymore. The invasion failed dipshits, go home and try to save your shambling economy. Just a great lesson in why letting an egomaniac run a country/ war is a terrible idea.
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Russian Embassy in the UK got their monstrous tweets taken down https://twitter.com/JamesClayton5/status/1501964035109289985?t=ygh3ak4EyS6xlICW3BKpiQ&s=19 Can't wait to see how they'll whine about it
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 gently caress, they are planning to attack other countries
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If the likes of Solovyov are saying that it might be time to pack the bags, poo poo is getting quite dire domestically.
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Griefor posted:Are those all different antitank weapons? Do they serve similar purposes or not? I know Ukraine got a ton of different stuff from different countries but I would think giving a squad the same stuff would make more sense so that if you lose Panzerfaust A you can still fire Panzerfaust ammo from Panzerfaust B. But maybe I'm missing something? its a real grab bag of different AT launchers and systems. they all do the same thing, launching rockets small enough to carry but big enough to blow up a tank or knock a wall off a house. in general you want everyone in your team to be carrying interoperable weapons that share ammunition. the key difference here is that ukraine is in an existential fight and they're getting all kinds of different AT launchers flown in daily from all corners of europe and beyond, so they're pushing all of that forward to the front its nearly comical to see the sheer amount of AT weapons these dudes are carrying, as well as the variety. like holy poo poo these guys are extremely heavily armed with a real clown car of rockets
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There is a certain amount of irony in this Neo-Soviet revanchism. To wit: the attempted use of the kind of racial and nationalist divisions that contributed to the loosening of regional power within the Soviet Union (which hastened it's demise) being trotted out again to reverse the situation.
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KitConstantine posted:Russian Embassy in the UK got their monstrous tweets taken down I think we need to learn from the Irish and engage in some creative use of delivery vans.
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Griefor posted:Are those all different antitank weapons? Do they serve similar purposes or not? I know Ukraine got a ton of different stuff from different countries but I would think giving a squad the same stuff would make more sense so that if you lose Panzerfaust A you can still fire Panzerfaust ammo from Panzerfaust B. But maybe I'm missing something? While uniformity would simply things for operation interchangeability, almost all of those are single-use so trading ammo isn't a concern there. As pointed out the funny bit is having so much AT for a single infantry unit.
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KitConstantine posted:Maybe some is in this loving TANK FACTORY thats still standing even after Russians have been bombing the city for DAYS To me not only does this say that Russia is going after civilian targets with no military value, but they are actually prioritizing such targets over actual military targets whose destruction would help them win the war. For fucks sake. Antillie fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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TulliusCicero posted:So..what exactly is the Russian endgame here? There is none, if this is authentic. Repost, but really worth reading. https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1500301348780199937
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KitConstantine posted:Cracks continue, this time on Kremlin TV This is Putin laying ground for withdrawal in the most democratic manner. The man hears the call of his people and saves the motherland from disaster. USA is the enemy, and a mighty one. (Nice to have). It can be blamed for many things.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:If the likes of Solovyov are saying that it might be time to pack the bags, poo poo is getting quite dire domestically. Wasn't he the guy who cried about his Italian villa getting nabbed?
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Morrow posted:There's some slight variation in terms of mission profile: better at aircraft, doesn't cause backblast, don't need all your fingers etc etc but mostly it is a hodgepodge of equipment. The hilarity is how many there are: usually you'd have one to a formation like this period. What I think is remarkable is that all that kit represents the wide variety of materiel that everyone said they would send, and did send, swiftly. No silly squabling, no French and German head-butting - they just did it. And that this stuff is already in the field so quickly probably says a lot about how robust and effective the interior supply chain is. A "whole of Europe" response wasn't predicted by anyone.
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Letmebefrank posted:
"Yet you are here trying to negotiate the surrender of Ukraine for some reason. You seem very smart."
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Letmebefrank posted:
honestly, it would be better off just agreeing with them so they can withdraw and not have it categorized as a loss. we don't need influencers mocking a nuclear power's retreat from a failed invasion.
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Griefor posted:Are those all different antitank weapons? Do they serve similar purposes or not? I know Ukraine got a ton of different stuff from different countries but I would think giving a squad the same stuff would make more sense so that if you lose Panzerfaust A you can still fire Panzerfaust ammo from Panzerfaust B. But maybe I'm missing something? Those weapons have varying capabilities. If there is a lightly armored target like a bmp not so far away from you, you don't want to waste expensive long range weapons like javelins. An old RPG-7 would serve better. Also if I remember correctly from the Panzerfaust 3 manual, it recommends using it for about 3 times before switching to another optics/trigger unit because it will mess up with optics alignment or something. and some anti tank systems are single use. Flagellum fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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KitConstantine posted:They're having lots of fun in Vilnius 
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Antillie posted:To me. Not only does this say that Russia is going after civilian targets with no military value, but they are actually prioritizing such targets over actual military targets whose destruction would help them win the war. For fucks sake. Looking at the anecdotal evidence of the state of Russian armour, they might be interested in capturing a pristine tank factory. Conspiratiorist posted:While uniformity would simply things for operation interchangeability, almost all of those are single-use so trading ammo isn't a concern there. I wonder if this is going to cause a more global infantry paradigm shift, where more units will be loaded up the wazoo with bang bangs.
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PederP posted:You could wrote a book about how dumb Duginism is, and it would be bigger than Dugin's book. He thinks Finland belongs in Russia and Estonia as part of Germany. The last is a major WTF when reading summaries of that insane 'ideology'. Some of this sounds like it was written by a drunk Russian who got lost in time and space - ending up in a Munich beerhall during the Weimar republic. It's not just the ideology of that time - it's the demographics and geopolitics as well. Prior to Covid I had read Putin as more or less rational, if he was this current Ukraine fiasco makes zero sense. It makes total sense from a Duginist perspective, Dugin is the same guy who thinks America will neatly balkanize along state lines. Just utterly trapped by thinking from a century ago. e: if people want to read Dugin's stuff some of it has been translated and it will do a reasonable job of letting you know where the leader of the paper bear is coming from though it's totally understandable if no one does, the man is a crank in any language Relevant Tangent fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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Conspiratiorist posted:While uniformity would simply things for operation interchangeability, almost all of those are single-use so trading ammo isn't a concern there. Speaks to the kind of war they are fighting though - they are off on a patrol to go tank hunting, they don't expect to be getting into a firefight with infantry.
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Tesseraction posted:Wasn't he the guy who cried about his Italian villa getting nabbed? He was indeed, crying about his multiple luxury villas with neighbours like George Clooney.
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Letmebefrank posted:
Russia isnt attacking anyone. They sent troops to Ukraine to stop the war that's happening there, once the conflict resolution mission is finished they will bring the troops home
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Yeah a lot of these tweets are kind of mind-blowing in the "why in the world would you even post this on social media???" sense. I don't believe manpads can hit out that far but vehicle mounted AA should be able to. Of course the russians seem to prefer parking their AA systems in ditches and leaving them there while the tanks proceed alone for some reason. The other problem is that between being somewhat stealth shaped and just being very small drones are hard to pick up on all but the latest and best radar systems. It seems to me that russian radar gear might not be as good as we thought.
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I feel like it's pretty easy to tell whether Russia is serious about any negotiations based on whether they include the sanctions in the conversation. There's no way the end of this war is just between Russia and Ukraine with Russia walking away with all the sanctions still in place. Until they do that, they're still pretending the sanctions don't matter and the whole thing is just theatre.
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Antillie posted:To me. Not only does this say that Russia is going after civilian targets with no military value, but they are actually prioritizing such targets over actual military targets whose destruction would help them win the war. For fucks sake. Who cares about a maternity hospital? That only produces more Ukrainians.
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Mnoba posted:honestly, it would be better off just agreeing with them so they can withdraw and not have it categorized as a loss. we don't need influencers mocking a nuclear power's retreat from a failed invasion. Russia's war is not going to stop because of memes, no matter how dank they are.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Prior to Covid I had read Putin as more or less rational, if he was this current Ukraine fiasco makes zero sense. It makes total sense from a Duginist perspective, Dugin is the same guy who thinks America will neatly balkanize along state lines. Just utterly trapped by thinking from a century ago. I want to read some of that other guy which Fatherboxx mentioned, but I don’t remember his name. Also it’s probably way too deranged to stomach more than a few pages on.
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TulliusCicero posted:I mean yeah? But the first plan was also some loving spec ops wankfest bullshit Option A) Putin still thinks he can win because he's being fed bad information and he is an old crazy guy. Option B) Putin knows he has lost, but running away now has a bigger risk of being Gaddafied, than staying and just slowly failing while tightening his strangehold on Russia Option C) Putin is hoping Ukraine will give in and sue for peace giving him Donbass, Crimea and no NATO, before they kick his army out of the country Option D) Putin is fishing for NATO intervention since it gives him a smorgasbord of ways to lose in a less humiliating fashion than failing at the other options If he can get Donbass, Crimea and a smattering of propaganda victories, while getting the totalitarian machinery up and running - I think that's acceptable to him. He probably expects sanctions to be almost gone after a few years of such a peace accord. Simply going home right now and he would be humiliated, have nothing to push back on sanctions and his totalitarian machinery isn't fully rolled out yet. He'd also have a bitter military looking for a scapegoat. No, he's stuck there until he can get a peace deal, has conquered the ruins or gets kicked out. Western leaders are openly stating they believe he's going for make-or-break. Sadly, I think it's putsch or a military make-or-break. I really hope for the putsch - and I think it's coming based on the cracks already showing.
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Griefor posted:Are those all different antitank weapons? Do they serve similar purposes or not? I know Ukraine got a ton of different stuff from different countries but I would think giving a squad the same stuff would make more sense so that if you lose Panzerfaust A you can still fire Panzerfaust ammo from Panzerfaust B. But maybe I'm missing something? Most modern antitank weapons are single-shot. The RPG-7 and Panzerfaust 3 are reloadable, but other common weapons like NLAW, AT-4 etc are one-and-done. The Spanish C90s are the same way. It helps to have similar weapons across a formation, less so for ammunition commonality and more so for ease of use. The things are similar but have different sights, orders of operations etc. Getting everyone familiar with a bunch of different weapons types is trickier.
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the popes toes posted:High-level official Lithuanian trolling. It's like someone slapping a new avatar on you, but 10 bucks ain't going to cut it. Washington DC has done something similar: https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/1500557346321412096 I like the sunflower in the top of the traffic cone. Dedicated trolling right there.
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KitConstantine posted:(Unverified) UH OH (Speaking of which: does anyone have the latest/most accurate estimate for the number of BTGs Russia committed at the outset?) Here's a quick analysis of that Russian armored formation NE of Kiev which got hit by artillery. Still picture, no visible human casualties but you can see where the artillery landed.  https://twitter.com/HoansSolo/status/1501885056310259714?s=20&t=WbUQu6O39FpTDh4IWSa5TwThat's an entire Battalion Tactical Group concentrated in a 200m x 200m square. Absolutely crazy.
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