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Eason the Fifth posted:Man after all those military parades through Red Square over the years? Big disappointment "This parade count as your training for year, by the way."
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Natty Ninefingers posted:What does the water dribble accomplish? Prevents static buildup and discharge
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BIG HEADLINE posted:"This parade count as your training for year, by the way." certainly explains their vehicular strat
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their guns aren't even facing outboard. they're just running the gauntlet and hoping for the best
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FrozenVent posted:That’s pretty much what they have. Yep. Promising conscripts are funneled to a special NCO bootcamp but are on the same two year term as everyone else. I'm reading Red Storm Rising and it's comical what Clancy thought the USSR would be capable of in a shooting war.
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I'm wondering if they just charged in there blindly or if they actually had a scout element or somesuch make it through first. They still hosed up if the latter.
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Would it be theoretically possible to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine using only unmanned aircraft over Ukrainian territory?
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Naked Bear posted:I'm wondering if they just charged in there blindly or if they actually had a scout element or somesuch make it through first. They still hosed up if the latter. There's a TOS-1 traveling with them so I don't know what the gently caress is going on.
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:Would it be theoretically possible to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine using only unmanned aircraft over Ukrainian territory? You are still going to fire on Russians aircraft, Russia dgaf if they're shot down by manned or unmanned aircraft. We wouldn't have had a no fly zone over Iraq if they had nukes
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:Would it be theoretically possible to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine using only unmanned aircraft over Ukrainian territory? It isn't the pilots in NATO aircraft that would be upsetting to Putain, its the effect of their fire.
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:Would it be theoretically possible to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine using only unmanned aircraft over Ukrainian territory? Manned or unmanned, if you want a NFZ it means striking at targets within Belarus & Russia to destroy missile & radar sites... that's an escalation to avoid.
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Arven posted:I'm reading Red Storm Rising and it's comical what Clancy thought the USSR would be capable of in a shooting war. Maybe, but even in RSR he wrote about how some idiot packed the *Army* version of the SA-6 and not the Naval one that was hardened against seawater corrosion, so they couldn't set up adequate AD on Iceland when they landed. And the passage about how their AD personnel were trained maybe once per year on a target flying straight and level while "NATO planes fly through the trees" and how a single Jeep with a TOW takes out the lead tank of a column and disappears before they can even hope to return fire.
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Arven posted:Yep. Promising conscripts are funneled to a special NCO bootcamp but are on the same two year term as everyone else. Every video I've seen ends up in the same sentence; I've seen conscripts 4mo in who produced better behaviour than these russians. The faulty element here in 2022 isn't the students, it's the teachers.
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https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1501967750855634944?s=20&t=D6Z2RrBIh1BZBC6TfFZi1Q It keeps happening.
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:Would it be theoretically possible to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine using only unmanned aircraft over Ukrainian territory? No.
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:Would it be theoretically possible to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine using only unmanned aircraft over Ukrainian territory? I don't understand the obsession with the a no fly zone. Not you personally, but in general. A no fly zone won't do much for Ukraine. Their airspace is still contested, Ukraine keeps shooting down Russian aircraft. Russian rockets/surface to surface missiles/artillery/mortars are doing the bulk of the damage. What Ukraine needs is counter battery abilities, stronger missile defense, and more air defense. Russia has done very little to actually place Ukrainian airspace under their control. NATO (or EU) fighter jets won't stop the shelling of hospitals.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1501967750855634944?s=20&t=D6Z2RrBIh1BZBC6TfFZi1Q How long until Ukraine has enough of these to set up their own no fly zone? Are these things so poo poo that they can't shoot anything down?
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1501967750855634944?s=20&t=D6Z2RrBIh1BZBC6TfFZi1Q Immediate tractor support is an amazing phrase
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ASAPI posted:I don't understand the obsession with the a no fly zone. Not you personally, but in general. Its Americas go to "not at war but doing something" military option in many peoples minds.
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I've been meaning to look at the geography of ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Ukraine): and compare it to a current situation map: 
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1501967750855634944?s=20&t=D6Z2RrBIh1BZBC6TfFZi1Q Ukraine's doubled their money on TOR SAMs https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1501958391824011267?t=XSv5YckE8j-NR1eopXJjLg&s=19 BTW how much does one of these go for mint in-box? https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1501957170157568011?t=ThwgarYpJwg-7VdGR78AJg&s=19 Edited because I can't loving read in the morning KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1501967750855634944?s=20&t=D6Z2RrBIh1BZBC6TfFZi1Q I warned you about mud bro
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jesus christ a no fly zone means you shoot down things that are flying its not a god drat harry potter spell
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try explaining that and what the follow on results of shooting down said things are to the american public
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ASAPI posted:I don't understand the obsession with the a no fly zone. Not you personally, but in general. mlmp08 posted:No. Just Another Lurker posted:Manned or unmanned, if you want a NFZ it means striking at targets within Belarus & Russia to destroy missile & radar sites... that's an escalation to avoid. vuk83 posted:You are still going to fire on Russians aircraft, Russia dgaf if they're shot down by manned or unmanned aircraft. ThisIsJohnWayne posted:It isn't the pilots in NATO aircraft that would be upsetting to Putain, its the effect of their fire. Haha I definitely know it's a super terrible bad idea I'm just wondering if it's even possible with the number of UAVs and other unmanned platforms at NATO's disposal. A no fly zone is never going to happen on NATO's part, that's just insane.
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What unmanned UAV would enforce a no-fly zone and how, even? Reapers with the new AIM-9s in test? I don’t really understand what unmanned platform would even be given the job in this hypothetical.
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maffew buildings posted:writing a possibility off due to being insane or whatever has definitely not made fools of us all to this point Two months ago I would have said no way in hell Putin would commit to a full on invasion but here we are.
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Half of Kyiv's population has bailed, holy gently caress
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Half of Kyiv's population has bailed, holy gently caress You'd have to assume at least half of them are women and children, so here's hoping they have 
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Half of Kyiv's population has bailed, holy gently caress Good! They do not want to be there with all the shelling and with every apartment building invariably turning into an anti-armor team hide sight, marking it for more shelling and direct fire.
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Who knows if it's possible with UAV'S probably not since most of them don't have anything to do with air to air combat. Even with your framing it's still a stupid question
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mlmp08 posted:Good! They do not want to be there with all the shelling and with every apartment building invariably turning into an anti-armor team hide sight, marking it for more shelling and direct fire. Russia's also been pretty open about their intentions once they take over. When you publicly say "We have lists of undesirables and we're going to kill these people." that's not a good situation for anyone to be living in.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1501938378878558220?s=20&t=D6Z2RrBIh1BZBC6TfFZi1Q Woe betide the first birds to try land on Igor's crops.
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Mariupol being cut off with with thousands of civilians on the ground is already just abysmal for civilians. Russia isn’t careful with artillery and bombing anyway, and there’s video available of UKR vehicles and AT teams inside apartment complexes and occupying roofs of apartments and public goods stores.
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LRADIKAL posted:Who knows if it's possible with UAV'S probably not since most of them don't have anything to do with air to air combat. Even with your framing it's still a stupid question You could probably redneck strap a stinger to one at this point and still mange to score a few kills, based upon the tactical competence of the Russian airforce that we've seen thus far.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1501938378878558220?s=20&t=D6Z2RrBIh1BZBC6TfFZi1Q I'm trying so hard to only lurk, but I have to ask if this sort of thing is normal. Like, I get everybody's pushing their own narrative, but abandoning a $20mil missile battery seems to indicate a serious problem in Russia's army. But I write software for a living so I have no idea what's normal. This thread has been so helpful in my understanding what the hell is going on, thanks for everyone generally saying things informed by actually knowing how military things are done.
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cruft posted:I'm trying so hard to only lurk, but I have to ask if this sort of thing is normal. Like, I get everybody's pushing their own narrative, but abandoning a $20mil missile battery seems to indicate a serious problem in Russia's army. But I write software for a living so I have no idea what's normal. No. Nothing about any of this is normal.
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