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Bremen posted:Russia doesn't deserve it, no, but at some point the calculus for Ukraine becomes "we can keep fighting, and maybe even win, but thousands of our civilians are dying every day."
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This might be out of the scope of this thread, but why does Russia get to control Kaliningrad forever? Shouldn't it belong to one of the Baltic countries? Or Poland?
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Today's briefing: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-10 Key points quote:The likelihood is increasing that Ukrainian forces could fight to a standstill the Russian ground forces attempting to encircle and take Kyiv. Russian forces also appear to be largely stalemated around Kharkiv and distracted from efforts to seize that city. quote:A new Russian invasion from western Belarus, with or without Belarusian ground forces’ support, appears increasingly unlikely. quote:The apparent failure of Russian forces’ attacks on March 8-9 after reconstituting and preparing during the operational pause and resupply efforts of the past several days supports the Ukrainian General Staff assessments that Russian forces have far less effective combat power around the capital than their numbers would suggest.
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Mar 11, 2022 00:24
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mobby_6kl posted:Yeah as illegitimate as the occupation is, there's no way of getting it back short of complete russian collapse. Maybe in a few years they'll vote to join Ukraine, and Russia would of course let them. In a few years Ukraine might be flooded with so much foreign aid they might be the South Korea of Europe
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Kraftwerk posted:This might be out of the scope of this thread, but why does Russia get to control Kaliningrad forever? Shouldn't it belong to one of the Baltic countries? Or Poland? It was offered to Lithuania back in the early USSR days and Lithuania refused because they didn't want to give a bunch of Russians citizenship. Now obviously Russia enjoys having land inside of Europe where they can put a bunch of military stuff to piss off NATO. It's filled with their newest S-400s in case they want to shoot down everything flying in Europe. Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Mar 11, 2022 |
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Mar 11, 2022 00:27
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TulliusCicero posted:In a few years Ukraine might be flooded with so much foreign aid they might be the South Korea of Europe Complete with massive DMZ and weird love hate relationship with their isolated hermit neighbour.
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Majorian posted:Shocking and horrifying news about the Ukrainian government...they are pushing woke ideologies. 
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A disability and trans activist I really respect just retweeted this onto my timeline: https://twitter.com/ungnyeodongji/status/1501410334069960704?s=20&t=kuv3wqeGk3vNzSz9JtLLHA Which is... confusing but not entirely wrong? And then I go to the retweeted person's page and she's a tankie and like two tweets down she loving denying the Holdomer and YIKES. What about this war that is breaking people's brains???
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Mar 11, 2022 00:31
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TulliusCicero posted:In a few years Ukraine might be flooded with so much foreign aid they might be the South Korea of Europe I think so as well, if Ukraine survives this it's because Russia as it currently operates will not, and Ukraine will become an EU restoration and integration project for the next few decades. If Ukraine can hold out until Russia is crippled by sanctions, they will become a new integral part of the EU for the foreseeable future.
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Communism is bad
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awesome-express posted:Communism is bad Kleptocratic Authoritarism is bad.
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awesome-express posted:Communism is bad No. Not an argument for this thread though.
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Twincityhacker posted:A disability and trans activist I really respect just retweeted this onto my timeline: parts of the left online/in general has massive problems with Foreign policy poo poo and "libs are the truest enemy over nazis/chuds/imperial powers that arnt america". its also alot of irony poisoning and other poo poo thats basicaly the "lefty" equivilant of what happened to morons on 4chan and them becoming nazis. they became Red chuds. gently caress em, i say.
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Rad Russian posted:It was offered to Lithuania back in the early USSR days and Lithuania refused because they didn't want to give a bunch of Russians citizenship. Now obviously Russia enjoys having land inside of Europe where they can put a bunch of military stuff to piss off NATO. It's filled with their newest S-400s in case they want to shoot down everything flying in Europe. Okay, how many of them actually work?
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Bunch of woke nazis these Ukrainians are
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Mar 11, 2022 00:37
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Twincityhacker posted:A disability and trans activist I really respect just retweeted this onto my timeline: Morons across the political spectrum hang on to their fantasy perception of Russia as a anti-imperialist force.
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Mar 11, 2022 00:38
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Twincityhacker posted:A disability and trans activist I really respect just retweeted this onto my timeline: Russia being an unabashedly imperialist aggressor means mental gymnastics
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Mar 11, 2022 00:39
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Twincityhacker posted:A disability and trans activist I really respect just retweeted this onto my timeline: If they are denying the Holdomer they are completely insane. Sorry you had to find out this way Ukraine really threading the needle as "woke Nazis" and "leftists" siding with the Autocratic Regime Who Did Nothing Wrong tm
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Mar 11, 2022 00:40
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TulliusCicero posted:Okay, how many of them actually work? I'm sure the local unit commanders sold off all the parts already on the black market in Europe as they don't expect to ever actually get the order to fire them. If they do... ooops.
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Kraftwerk posted:This might be out of the scope of this thread, but why does Russia get to control Kaliningrad forever? Shouldn't it belong to one of the Baltic countries? Or Poland? That region has a looong history of changing hands, and at its peak it was actually half of the kingdom of Prussia, ruling over the German Empire. After WW1 it became a German exclave, with a part of Prussia going to Poland and a part to Lithuania. after WW2 the Potsdam Agreement included officially transferring that region to the USSR, Stalin then split up Prussia into Kaliningrad Oblast (Russia, to have an ice-free port in the Baltic under direct control), a part to Poland, and a part to Lithuania, and renamed the capital Konigsberg to Kaliningrad:  After that nothing changed really (the USSR dissolved, but this is a Russian oblast so it remained Russian).
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TulliusCicero posted:If they are denying the Holdomer they are completely insane. And/or a mod of somethingawful.com (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Despera fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Mar 11, 2022 |
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Twincityhacker posted:A disability and trans activist I really respect just retweeted this onto my timeline: Lots of people desperately want at least one of the enormous powers that decide everything on earth to be good. Unfortunately,
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Twincityhacker posted:A disability and trans activist I really respect just retweeted this onto my timeline: E: NVM I misinterpreted what you said. Your buddy just retweeted the Juche person. Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Mar 11, 2022 |
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Vox Nihili posted:I'm not sure how you follow this person without realizing they're an unironic Juche adherent. It's right there in their bio. Is that that insane Tankie Mel that made the rounds of the internet a year ago?
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Kraftwerk posted:This might be out of the scope of this thread, but why does Russia get to control Kaliningrad forever? Shouldn't it belong to one of the Baltic countries? Or Poland? It’s Germany if we are playing the “my historic borders are eternal” game.
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:It’s Germany if we are playing the “my historic borders are eternal” game. Ssshh, let the sleeping HRE borders lie.
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Was this posted yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp7L4MhRkTQ Guide to driving Russian T-72 & other tanks, in case you find one abandoned or whatever  (Note auto-generated captions & also auto translate for them)
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I've had to mute so many people on social media due to their bad takes on Ukraine, and I've given up trying to debate with most of the Tankier types. It's like they are locked in some kind of cult mindset that's driven a wedge through their critical thinking skills. No amount of facts, evidence, patience and debunking can get them to sway from repeating their pre-programmed points. It's loving weird... The sad thing is that I've taken part in real life protests with some of these people, most notably against the EDL back in the day. They consider themselves antifascist, and left wing... yet are backing and supporting a far-right fascist dictatorship that's hell bent on genocide? I genuinely don't get it... I'm glad to see that ASBMilitary has been suspended. That seemed to be these people's favourite 'news' source.
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Twincityhacker posted:What about this war that is breaking people's brains??? its not the war, its the internet. spending too much time on social media will break your brain. the motto of this website is "the internet makes you stupid" and it is true. if you think the internet won't make you (yes, YOU) stupid, then it is already too late this war isn't the cause, it is only the catalyst. it invites people to double down on really absurd opinions in order to achieve the most important goal in life, which is winning arguments online against strangers who believe fundamentally the same things you do
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Twincityhacker posted:A disability and trans activist I really respect just retweeted this onto my timeline: I mean, it's pretty much wrong too because look what happened when the OG fascists attacked the USSR.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I mean, it's pretty much wrong too because look what happened when the OG fascists attacked the USSR. you also have to ignore that the communists joined forces with the fascists and only fought them when they got betrayed lawl
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Kraftwerk posted:This might be out of the scope of this thread, but why does Russia get to control Kaliningrad forever? Shouldn't it belong to one of the Baltic countries? Or Poland? The new Polish communist government wanted it as part of the border adjustments post-WWII that gave it most of East Prussia but Stalin put in a claim on it as early as the Tehran conference in 1943 and the Western Allies agreed it could become Soviet territory. At this point changing that would be as legitimate as changing any other elements of the post-WWII border revisions. No one wants to open that can of worms, especially since ethnically the oblast is now 85%+ Russian and Russia wants to keep it. Xotl fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Mar 11, 2022 |
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Twincityhacker posted:A disability and trans activist I really respect just retweeted this onto my timeline: What I am really failing to understand here is who are the communists supposed to be? Russia hasn't been a communist country in decades. Russia has never been a communist country under Putin. Russia's entire structure under Putin has been very very far from communist, so who does this person actually think "the libs" are rooting against?
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Anyone who is describing Putin's regime as "Communist" or otherwise saying there are actual communists on either side of this war (whether to support them as good or condemn them as bad) has just totally lost touch with reality. I'm not sure there's much more to say on that subject.
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The problem with the Kaliningrad oblast is that neither Poland or Lithuania really have a connection to it. Before the expulsion of germans after WW2 it has been majority german speaking for like 600 years and now it's almost entirely Russian speaking. I don't think there's ever really been a ethnically polish or Lithuanian presence there. Also Russia doesn't wanna give it up anymore
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Twincityhacker posted:What about this war that is breaking people's brains??? It's the first direct, guns blazing, sort-of-peer challenge to Fukuyama's liberal world order. Putin even says so, both when he's talking about a multipolar world and also rolling back unnatural Western degeneracy (i.e. gays and trans and whatnot). A lot of people have been grinding an axe against liberalism for years and see this as the chance to get the boot in. Most of those people Putin would happily gas, but they don't seem to mind.
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:its not the war, its the internet. spending too much time on social media will break your brain. the motto of this website is "the internet makes you stupid" and it is true. if you think the internet won't make you (yes, YOU) stupid, then it is already too late You're being too naive.
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Vox Nihili posted:Anyone who is describing Putin's regime as "Communist" or otherwise saying there are actual communists on either side of this war (whether to support them as good or condemn them as bad) has just totally lost touch with reality. I'm not sure there's much more to say on that subject. It's the same people who defend China and North Korea's bs because they are just "against the west" They are usful idiots throughout the political spectrum, and Russia's shotgun approach to propaganda hits them all Capitalism blows and the US does a lot of hosed up things, but going full on Stalinist is a broke brain response
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Twincityhacker posted:A disability and trans activist I really respect just retweeted this onto my timeline:
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