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I haven't done anything more stressful on my MBP than stream on OBS so far but I have yet to even hear the fans go on. My previous Asus laptop's fans would be audible as hell doing anything. Also the trackpad and speakers are night and day.
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My girlfriend's dad just got one and we were chatting about it yesterday and they were the first thing he mentioned. When I was checking it out at Best Buy a couple months ago and I tested the sound I seriously thought the audio was coming from a nearby sound bar or something. Good audio coming out of a laptop was an alien experience.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I haven't done anything more stressful on my MBP than stream on OBS so far but I have yet to even hear the fans go on. My previous Asus laptop's fans would be audible as hell doing anything. Also the trackpad and speakers are night and day. the only thing that get the fans going for me is running windows update in a w11 vm
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What is the Windows VM to use? I don't plan on gaming or anything, just using the odd program or whatever that isn't M1 compatible. I couldn't patch a ROM last week because Lunar IPS wasn't compatible.
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Parallels is the best right now, but you might get by with UTM, which is free. VMware fusion is also free but does not officially support windows.
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I am extremely disappointed about Apple’s reticence to have higher refresh rates. I’m locked in and can’t go back to lower refresh rates and now that I use a Surface Pro 8 for work (120Hz screen), and a 120+Hz screen for work and for home use, Apple screens feel like a downgrade, which is strange. They’ve always had the best displays! I’d be lying if I said MacBook/Apple Screens aren’t impressive as hell, but the refresh rate issues are very annoying.
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Perplx posted:Parallels is the best right now, but you might get by with UTM, which is free. VMware fusion is also free but does not officially support windows. UTM sounds perfect. I'll download that after work.
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I'm probably going to get a Mac Studio but I am entirely at a loss as to what monitor to get because the Apple studio display seems vastly overpriced for the specs considering I already have excellent speakers and don't particularly need a webcam; but everything else just seems so drat ugly. I hate 'gamer' aesthetic so much.
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The Lord Bude posted:I'm probably going to get a Mac Studio but I am entirely at a loss as to what monitor to get because the Apple studio display seems vastly overpriced for the specs considering I already have excellent speakers and don't particularly need a webcam; but everything else just seems so drat ugly. I hate 'gamer' aesthetic so much. thats the thing, i agree that it's dumb not to have a higher refresh rate ityool 2022 (and lolmg those stands) but there's not really anything else like that display on the market outside of the hacked together dell 8k monitor. the only other option is the lg 5k 27, which is the same panels as the imac 27 (idk if it's the same panels as the studio display but they might be). and it's just a couple hundred bucks less. macs with a properly scaled display on a high res monitor are a really compelling experience. you get a tack sharp 2560x1440 experience. everything else is either giant or lower resolution, which means you either put up with a very small windowing experience non-scaled because you're using the native res, or you scale it to 1080p which is pretty low for 27 inches. it's all dumb
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The Lord Bude posted:I'm probably going to get a Mac Studio but I am entirely at a loss as to what monitor to get because the Apple studio display seems vastly overpriced for the specs considering I already have excellent speakers and don't particularly need a webcam; but everything else just seems so drat ugly. I hate 'gamer' aesthetic so much. https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/shop/dell-ultrasharp-27-4k-usb-c-hub-monitor-u2723qe/apd/210-bdpf/monitors-monitor-accessories This is the option I’m looking at. Either the 27" or the 32" version. Either way you could buy two of these for the price of one of the Studio Monitor.
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I think the moral of the story is don't buy 120hz displays if your eyes aren't broken yet, and enjoy the plethora of excellent 60hz 4k and 5k offerings. FWIW if you're at all on a budget a $500 4k 27" monitor is fine running scaled 2560x1440. If I had ~$3000 to spend on a new desktop for work, then a base model studio and 2x 4k monitors would be a strong contender. I did that move a couple years ago with a 27" imac and a dell 4k monitor and it's been great. If I needed M1 Ultra power and had M1 Ultra money I would expect one of the 5k offerings to be the correct choice.
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mediaphage posted:thats the thing, i agree that it's dumb not to have a higher refresh rate ityool 2022 (and lolmg those stands) but there's not really anything else like that display on the market outside of the hacked together dell 8k monitor. the only other option is the lg 5k 27, which is the same panels as the imac 27 (idk if it's the same panels as the studio display but they might be). and it's just a couple hundred bucks less. macs with a properly scaled display on a high res monitor are a really compelling experience. you get a tack sharp 2560x1440 experience. I don't even really give a gently caress about high refresh rates 60hz is fine for me, I just want a 4k or above monitor that fits in with the apple design aesthetic, doesn't have awful latency, and looks good (the image quality that is - and for reference I'm not a creative design professional, my image quality needs are 'looks good for the purposes of content consumption'). And I want it to not be one of those silly ultrawides, or bloody curved pieces of crap that everyone is obsessed with. For 2500 AUD I'd really expect HDR or local diming zones or something. The LG 5k monitors have awful build quality for the price. There are an absolute heap of monitors that meet my technical needs but they're encased in godawful gamer design. The Apple Studio display is super expensive because it has an entire loving iphone SoC in it for no good reason, and ridiculous speakers that I bet most people will never use. They could have removed the SoC and the Speakers and put out the same monitor for say 1500 Aud and it would have been a much better proposition. xgalaxy posted:https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/shop/dell-ultrasharp-27-4k-usb-c-hub-monitor-u2723qe/apd/210-bdpf/monitors-monitor-accessories I'm strongly considering the 32" version of this as well - It seems like the closest I'm gonna get, but the annoying thing is that a dell monitor isn't something I can just walk into a store and buy unlike most monitors on the market; so I have to deal with shipping, potential damage from said shipping; and having to deal directly with Dell if I have an issue instead of just taking it back to the store for a refund.
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xgalaxy posted:https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/shop/dell-ultrasharp-27-4k-usb-c-hub-monitor-u2723qe/apd/210-bdpf/monitors-monitor-accessories 4K at 27 doesn’t look good. I’m sorry, my day job is in word processing all day, (and affinity photo) and now that I’ve had a 27 iMac with 5k I can’t go back. Everything is sharper. Is it $600 more than things kinda similar? Sure, but you can keep a monitor for 10, 15 years.
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LionArcher posted:4K at 27 doesn’t look good. Wut? You mean 4k at 27" is too low of a PPI?
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Shaocaholica posted:Wut? You mean 4k at 27" is too low of a PPI? Correct. After being exposed to 5k it looks… off. I have a 4K lg at 24 that I believe is still properly scaled. That’s at home for my old MBP. At my studio, I have a 2015 iMac 5k.
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LionArcher posted:4K at 27 doesn’t look good. I do 1080p on a 24 inch monitor so I'm calling BS on 4 times the pixels being insufficient for a monitor that's only about 25% larger
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Baronash posted:I do 1080p on a 24 inch monitor so I'm calling BS on 4 times the pixels being insufficient for a monitor that's only about 25% larger It doesn’t look good if you’re used to 5k. For second and 3rd monitors, 1080p is fine.
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Baronash posted:I do 1080p on a 24 inch monitor so I'm calling BS on 4 times the pixels being insufficient for a monitor that's only about 25% larger You're perceiving it wrong
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LionArcher posted:It doesn’t look good if you’re used to 5k. For second and 3rd monitors, 1080p is fine. it looks fine, just like 60hz is fine. 4k is definitely not as sharp as retina on a 5k but coming from 1080p or native 2560 you'll notice nothing but good things
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We're currently converting one of the rooms in our house into a study for 2 and I'm in a similar boat of "what (matching) monitors do we buy". We're in the Apple ecosystem for our personal devices, but both our work-provided laptops are Windows (although my work are going to start rolling out new MacBook Pros soonish and I'll hop on that). I'm going to use the study for personal stuff in addition to work, but she'll only use it for work. We're both very much not into the tacky "gamer" aesthetic and neither of us are broke-brained on high refresh rates (yet). We've not got external speakers or webcams currently so the Studio Display seems like a good all-in-one solution EXCEPT the webcam apparently doesn't work at all on non-Macs, which makes it useless for her (and for me until I can trade in my Windows laptop). I've found the 4K 144Hz 27" glossy Eve Spectrum which is also a contender (although their logistics are apparently a bit of a shambles). I think a high refresh rate would be more useful to me than the extra pixels, but does 4K scale well (coming from an M1 MacBook Air)? ArcticZombie fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Mar 11, 2022 |
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I wish my ten year old 1080p monitor will die so I can justify buying a new fancy one
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hatty posted:I wish my ten year old 1080p monitor will die so I can justify buying a new fancy one Can always just perch it precariously on the edge of your desk and let gravity/cat/god/fate do the work for you.
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4K at 27" is fine. I'm sure that 5K would be better but acting like 4K is bad or unusable is just ???
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Sphyre posted:4K at 27" is fine. I'm sure that 5K would be better but acting like 4K is bad or unusable is just ??? I know they’re from like D&D, but I haven’t seen a goon with a corncob avatar that’s been wrong/undeserved yet
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ArcticZombie posted:We're currently converting one of the rooms in our house into a study for 2 and I'm in a similar boat of "what (matching) monitors do we buy". We're in the Apple ecosystem for our personal devices, but both our work-provided laptops are Windows (although my work are going to start rolling out new MacBook Pros soonish and I'll hop on that). I'm going to use the study for personal stuff in addition to work, but she'll only use it for work. We're both very much not into the tacky "gamer" aesthetic and neither of us are broke-brained on high refresh rates (yet). We've not got external speakers or webcams currently so the Studio Display seems like a good all-in-one solution EXCEPT the webcam apparently doesn't work at all on non-Macs, which makes it useless for her (and for me until I can trade in my Windows laptop). Yes, 4K scales well on macOS. It's not the Apple podcaster approved option, but as you mentioned, the 5K monitors only work with Macs, and you can buy 2 M1 MacBook Airs at a sale price for the cost of 1 Studio Display. What you want to avoid at all costs is a 1x monitor, such as a 1440p 27" monitor, since those look like rear end with Macs after Apple removed subpixel AA from macOS. 4K 60 Hz monitors are half the cost of 4K 144 Hz monitors if you don't need the high refresh rate for gaming.
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Godzilla07 posted:Yes, 4K scales well on macOS. It's not the Apple podcaster approved option, but as you mentioned, the 5K monitors only work with Macs, and you can buy 2 M1 MacBook Airs at a sale price for the cost of 1 Studio Display. What you want to avoid at all costs is a 1x monitor, such as a 1440p 27" monitor, since those look like rear end with Macs after Apple removed subpixel AA from macOS. I game on a 4K 60 monitor, AMA
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I currently use two 4K 144hz monitors on macOS exclusively, AMA.
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The LG ultra fine 5k is probably the right call if you’re looking for a great display but don’t want the studio. Studio is 100nits brighter than the LG tho, if that’s an issue for your environment. I ordered 2 studio displays at the same time, but weirdly they’re arriving a week apart 
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hatty posted:I wish my ten year old 1080p monitor will die so I can justify buying a new fancy one I've been buying way too many used monitors just to see what I like for WFH and in office. So cheap 4K. Got a used Dell 28in 4k IPS for $180. Got a mother used 32" 4K IPS for $175 (has tiny scratch in the corner). Got a 43in 4K IPS for $600 (this one I wish were 5k but whatever).
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So how does the AS GPU core stack up against current Nvidia/AMD GPU cores?
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LODGE NORTH posted:I currently use two 4K 144hz monitors on macOS exclusively, AMA. 4 Questions 1. What model(s) are the monitors? 2. What Dock/Adapters do you use to accomplish this? 3. What Mac(s) do you use them with? 4. Do both of these macs run them at 4k native res/144hz?
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Brain Issues posted:4 Questions 1) LG 27GN950-B (both of them) 2) I run a Hackintosh now (why I’ve never been all that active here), but I’m looking into a Studio for myself. If I end up getting one, I’d just get DisplayPort to USB-C cables and have them occupy two of the rear Thunderbolt ports. 3) Same as above! 4) This one is a bit weird. Big Sur 11.1 introduced a bug that made it impossible for AMD GPU run Macs to get 144hz - it breaks display stream compression. This wasn’t fixed until Monterrey, but only for M1 Macs. So for me to get native 4K@144hz, I’d have to use an M1 Mac. Which is a small part of why I’m thinking about a Studio. Right now, I can get at best 4K@120 with my Hackintosh and only 144hz when I plug in my SO’s M1 Mac Mini into one of them. In theory, if you wanted to forgo anything after 11.0, you could run that and have 4K@144hz
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Godzilla07 posted:4K 60 Hz monitors are half the cost of 4K 144 Hz monitors if you don't need the high refresh rate for gaming. I don’t really play PC games anymore, but higher refresh rates have benefits outside of gaming, right? Some Apple devices have ProMotion displays and Apple is certainly not going after the gaming crowd. Does macOS take proper advantage of the higher refresh rate on displays other than their own ProMotion displays?
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ArcticZombie posted:I don’t really play PC games anymore, but higher refresh rates have benefits outside of gaming, right? Some Apple devices have ProMotion displays and Apple is certainly not going after the gaming crowd. Does macOS take proper advantage of the higher refresh rate on displays other than their own ProMotion displays? I enjoy scrolling and moving windows around being nice and smooth in macOS on my 144 Hz monitor, but the price premium at 4K for a 144 Hz monitor probably isn't worth it today unless you are gaming on the monitor as well.
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So this might be odd, but has anyone ever used something like an iMac as a semi-portable video conference setup? We have some larger hardware for bigger rooms (Room Kits), but occasionally I get asked to help setup a remote thing at a remote location. I'd just use one of our work machines, but due to the batshit insanity of our environment, webcams on our machines don't work very well. I figure something like this is small enough to toss in a pelican case, has a large enough screen for a few people around a table, the camera seems good, and it has good speakers. Any ideas?
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Shaocaholica posted:So how does the AS GPU core stack up against current Nvidia/AMD GPU cores? no one really knows. apple's driver/library support is atrocious so it's impossible to tell if it's poor showing is hardware related or software related. right now the apple gpus are borderline useless except for some video editing workloads. tensorflow ml performance is a fraction of what you would expect from raw flops and there's almost no games using native metal so it's hard to really infer anything if you need to run general purpose gpu stuff right now your only option is still nvidia. maybe apple will figure out their driver situation and macs can compete but they absolutely cannot right now
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Is it so wrong that I run a 27” 4K at native resolution? Switching to the 5K would make everything smaller, right?
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I feel like I'm the weirdo, but I actually strongly prefer a smaller screen. Are there recommendations for a nice 4K 24" monitor? That would be the PPI for retina, right?
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