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Russians cannot produce a modern tank currently. Their thermal sights were all thales exports AFAIK. 95% same goes for circuitry on any other advanced weapon system.
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Tomn posted:One of their other talking points they have is "Ukraine is going to lose because all their war-making industry is either lost or too under threat to produce, meanwhile Russian war-making potential is intact and they can churn out an endless horde of tanks." Doesn't that require a functioning economy? I.e. that thing that's currently going supernova for the Russians in account of all the sanctions?
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Valtonen posted:Russians cannot produce a modern tank currently. Their thermal sights were all thales exports AFAIK. Good luck to anybody making thermal sights without access to Russian copper and aluminum.
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Remulak posted:Good luck to anybody making thermal sights without access to Russian copper and aluminum. Russia is ~5% of world production of both copper and aluminum. Nickel is also 5%, but they refine about 20% of the higher grade nickels. It'd raise prices, but it's not embargo level of production.
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Yooper posted:Russia is ~5% of world production of both copper and aluminum. Nickel is also 5%, but they refine about 20% of the higher grade nickels. It'd raise prices, but it's not embargo level of production. noooo!!! don't you see!!! they need superior RUSSIAN copper! ea nasir didn't get russian copper, and look at how he is remembered
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 https://twitter.com/dkaleniuk/status/1502748977963356 162 You have to add the 162 back. I have no way to verify this but allegedly the Russians chained one of their soldiers to a grenade launcher so they wouldn’t desert…solider froze to death. So yeah basically traditional Russian morale building.
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The major news outlets continue to push the narrative that "the convoy is only 15-18 miles outside Kyiv and has lost assets and materiel but maybe tomorrow's the day they actually finally unfuck themselves and take the city!" I've seen CNN, FOX, and ABC all say it and, while I'm not saying it'll never happen, it's starting to feel like a ratings grab.
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CBJSprague24 posted:The major news outlets continue to push the narrative that "the convoy is only 15-18 miles outside Kyiv and has lost assets and materiel but maybe tomorrow's the day they actually finally unfuck themselves and take the city!" Imma just cross-post this from the D+D thread. New Study of War assessment just dropped https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1502767739722768396 Article:https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-12 quote:Russian forces secured limited advances east of Kyiv and north from Crimea on March 12 but continue to face logistical challenges, mounting casualties, and sustained Ukrainian counterattacks. Russian forces did not conduct offensive operations northwest of Kyiv in the past 24 hours. Russian forces made limited advances around Chernihiv and toward Kyiv’s eastern outskirts after pausing for several days. Continued Ukrainian counterattacks and successful operations by Ukraine’s Territorial Defense Forces continue to threaten Russia’s long line of communication in northeastern Ukraine. Russian forces captured unspecified “eastern outskirts” of Mariupol on March 12 and continue to shell the city in a likely effort to force it to capitulate. Regarding Mariupol - this was likely written prior to the rumors of the Ukrainian counterattack. We probably won't have any concrete information about the status of the siege there until tomorrow.
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So just out of idle curiosity, have there ever been examples of the kind of corruption that is endemic to the Russian military in the US? I have a hard time picturing anyone, say, siphoning off jet fuel to pay for a yacht, even given the stories of incompetence I've seen relayed here.
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The Navy.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:So just out of idle curiosity, have there ever been examples of the kind of corruption that is endemic to the Russian military in the US? Lockmart.
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mlmp08 posted:The Navy. Oh Fat Leonard, you lovable scamp.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:So just out of idle curiosity, have there ever been examples of the kind of corruption that is endemic to the Russian military in the US? In other ways maybe, like the ACU situation. Instead of "i'm gonna take the money for jet fuel and buy a yacht" it's more "i'm gonna make sure this company gets the contract because they are gonna hook me up with a sweet gig when I retire." Or they get some sort of hook up from the company with the contract.
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God I hate former German chancellors of recent memory. https://twitter.com/johnpaul_newman/status/1502260263621431298?s=21
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mlmp08 posted:The Navy. Yeah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal I vaguely recall there was a scandal involving shipbuilding in the 1790s which was more like what we’re seeing here with nonexistent or unequipped ships being paid for? My Google fu keeps bringing up recent stuff like fat Leonard, the Taiwan scandal or a Philippine scandal.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:God I hate former German chancellors of recent memory. Do Germans hold their hands like that when they pray? Like how they start counting with their thumb?
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Marshal Prolapse posted:God I hate former German chancellors of recent memory. Don't bite the hand that poisons people, I guess: https://www.politico.eu/article/gerhard-schroders-office-staff-quit-over-putin-russia-ukraine-war/
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Wrong Theory posted:In other ways maybe, like the ACU situation. Instead of "i'm gonna take the money for jet fuel and buy a yacht" it's more "i'm gonna make sure this company gets the contract because they are gonna hook me up with a sweet gig when I retire." Or they get some sort of hook up from the company with the contract. A lot less outright theft.
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KA-52 had a bad day (no dead bodies). I took this off of Telegram so obviously I can’t verify. https://i.imgur.com/trCUOWt.mp4
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Wrong Theory posted:In other ways maybe, like the ACU situation. Instead of "i'm gonna take the money for jet fuel and buy a yacht" it's more "i'm gonna make sure this company gets the contract because they are gonna hook me up with a sweet gig when I retire." Or they get some sort of hook up from the company with the contract. Hey when we have to invade a warehouse full of that one specific couch, you won't be laughing any more.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:So just out of idle curiosity, have there ever been examples of the kind of corruption that is endemic to the Russian military in the US? Nothing like the outright corruption, theft, grifting, etc, that happens in the Russian military happens in the US miltary. US military corruption just consists of more contractual/political stuff, like millions of dollars being airlifted into Baghdad and oh no whoops where did it go ? Or paying Halliburton hundreds of millions of dollars to setup a shipping container base in Afghanistan or something. Equipment theft, stuff like that that Russian commanders do quickly get discovered for the most part and prosecuted.
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CBJSprague24 posted:The major news outlets continue to push the narrative that "the convoy is only 15-18 miles outside Kyiv and has lost assets and materiel but maybe tomorrow's the day they actually finally unfuck themselves and take the city!" The coverage of the convoy has been a media failure from start to finish, being that it was never 40 miles long in the first place and very quickly stopped being the major threat either to Kyiv or to the more important things which are happening in the south and east.
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Mozi posted:The coverage of the convoy has been a media failure from start to finish, being that it was never 40 miles long in the first place and very quickly stopped being the major threat either to Kyiv or to the more important things which are happening in the south and east. Pretty much al major media sucks for war reporting, and its sad that i get better reporting in this thread than say, CNN.
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Saint Celestine posted:Nothing like the outright corruption, theft, grifting, etc, that happens in the Russian military happens in the US miltary. Honestly I think the closest two would be the Bradley and the initial bugs with the F-16A/B getting buried until Janet Harduvel brought suit against General Dynamics. The A-12 Avenger II program was also pretty clearly straight graft and absolute bullshit being spun into whole cloth. If Cheney hadn't axed it it probably would've cost the Navy a few hundred billion dollars and delivered very little of its original program aims. As it stands, there was still litigation about the cancellation until like 2014.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Honestly I think the closest two would be the Bradley and the initial bugs with the F-16A/B getting buried until Janet Harduvel brought suit against General Dynamics. Sure, but its really hard to prove if the program from the outset was a big huge grift, or simply just over promising and under delivering. To me, that A-12 program sounds exactly what happened to the VentureStar. Technology just wasn't advanced enough at the time to deliver, and they unfortunately discovered that only after billions of dollars. At least that sounds better to me than a bunch of Lockmart/mcdonnell executives thinking of ways to grift the government from the outset. Saint Celestine fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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Cimber posted:Pretty much al major media sucks for war reporting, and its sad that i get better reporting in this thread than say, CNN. Speak for yourself, were it not for MSNBC I wouldn't know that Putin is actually worse than Hitler
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:So just out of idle curiosity, have there ever been examples of the kind of corruption that is endemic to the Russian military in the US? Defense contractors who got too greedy get caught occasionally, like the guys who used to run Ibistek, who made kits for Mraps and Hmmwv's, they got busted for putting Chinese parts in their kits and not crediting scrap metal sales back to the DoD. https://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/10/10/brothers-who-owned-defense-firm-face-humvee-fraud-sentencing/ That's one I directly heard from, I had to put Ibistek light bars on a bunch of hummers and the brackets were so flimsy they would vibrate off and launch the light/IR assembly off to the driver or passenger side. It got bad enough another company came out with a fix it kit for another kit. Now if you want to talk about military surplus sales/DRMO holy poo poo. Something is up there. I hung out with a bunch of military vehicle collectors and there's some shady stuff up with that hobby.[No one cares about old Vietnam war and earlier stuff, but a lot of more modern stuff is being sold for sale] No one questions where the surplus parts come from, a lot of it is legit but I saw some weird poo poo. Whole tire/wheel assemblies that are supposed to be destroyed due to defects, or bad blocks, bad hub spindles, etc, but they magically wind up on ebay or reseller channels as "new old stock". Surplus HMMWV's having all of their non-armored doors disappear and sold without doors. Why? The doors alone is another market that can run more than the truck sold for in some cases so someone down the chain is hording them and reselling them later. I had one guy I know who runs one of those road side "military museums", warehouse full of various stuff from different wars, large collection of surplus vehicles, many operational, etc. Guy said because he was a non-profit or/museum status, he gets DRMO stuff for free or next to nothing for the museum. He's the sole owner of the museum. The loophole there is once he wants to retire, he can sell the museum at a public auction. You know, hold a auction with himself as a buyer for $1 and transfer everything to himself. That felt shady as poo poo.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:KA-52 had a bad day (no dead bodies). I took this off of Telegram so obviously I can’t verify. In the slightly longer version of this video, the person filming finds one of the pilots still in the cockpit. There's some unburned toes protruding from a bunch of charred remains that are within the frame of this video but unrecognizable.
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Generation Internet posted:In the slightly longer version of this video, the person filming finds one of the pilots still in the cockpit. There's some unburned toes protruding from a bunch of charred remains that are within the frame of this video but unrecognizable. Yeah I had to edit the video (60 second limit) to use Imgur and I figured trimming that off wouldn’t be a bad idea.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:KA-52 had a bad day (no dead bodies). I took this off of Telegram so obviously I can’t verify. Helicopters lust for pilot death. MANPADs help helicopters achieve this goal much faster.
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Cimber posted:Pretty much al major media sucks for war reporting, and its sad that i get better reporting in this thread than say, CNN. I don't know, I think the media isn't doing too bad, it's just that they're focusing on emotional impact. Like when I was shopping for a 3D printer, cnet was helpful, but understanding the stepper motor driver chipset required seeking out a unique forum full of huge nerds. That's what this thread is (for me).
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If I recall correctly, part of the strategic justification for the US military budget is being able to fight two large scale expeditionary conflicts simultaneously. Now that Russia is being exposed as a paper tiger, isn't that a reason to cut back on spending? If China is the only potential conventional adversary, gearing up for two enemies that don't exist comes off as a waste of money.
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Good article by Jack Murphy here https://twitter.com/JackMurphyRGR/status/1502382285068374023?t=OVKZbk9VArCZOugC77rChg&s=19
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Bored As gently caress posted:Good article by Jack Murphy here counter point if the Nazis in my country want a fight I will go let them gladly fight against the other Nazis and maybe learn something about the outside world and cure their ignorance. Oh poo poo this is how GLADIO happens LMAO
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Bored As gently caress posted:Good article by Jack Murphy here total contempt for opinion articles notwithstanding, this does a good job describing why i find the modern trend of war volunteers so disquieting
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:If I recall correctly, part of the strategic justification for the US military budget is being able to fight two large scale expeditionary conflicts simultaneously. Now that Russia is being exposed as a paper tiger, isn't that a reason to cut back on spending? If China is the only potential conventional adversary, gearing up for two enemies that don't exist comes off as a waste of money. With Europe increasing their military spending we never know who we might have to take on next 
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Bored As gently caress posted:Good article by Jack Murphy here This site isn't available in the EU  Can somebody post the cliff notes?
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