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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:So just out of idle curiosity, have there ever been examples of the kind of corruption that is endemic to the Russian military in the US? During WWII Senator Truman led the Truman committee to investigate the government being scammed. He drove thousands of miles (carefully logging his mileage for reimbursement as he wasn’t rich) and found new recruits sleeping in the mud instead of housing the army had paid for, cargo ships breaking up as the left port as the steel was garbage, and planes dropping from the sky with bad engines. And the senate actually held real investigations with scammers getting in trouble and this saved many lives and many dollars.
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quote:The Russian invasion of Ukraine is history unfolding before our eyes, a cataclysmic event that will reshape international politics and world order for decades to come.
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# ? Mar 13, 2022 05:57 |
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this is perfect
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# ? Mar 13, 2022 05:59 |
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brains posted:total contempt for opinion articles notwithstanding, this does a good job describing why i find the modern trend of war volunteers so disquieting Modern?
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# ? Mar 13, 2022 06:21 |
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How the gently caress Does this even happen
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# ? Mar 13, 2022 06:24 |
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Torrannor posted:This site isn't available in the EU War is the great rear end in a top hat magnet. And the people who show up are bullshitters, psychos and grifters, and they end up going home, getting in jail, or dead.
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Slo-Tek posted:War is the great rear end in a top hat magnet. And the people who show up are bullshitters, psychos and grifters, and they end up going home, getting in jail, or dead. Sounds pretty sweet to me
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Slo-Tek posted:War is the great rear end in a top hat magnet. And the people who show up are bullshitters, psychos and grifters, and they end up going home, getting in jail, or dead.
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Alan Smithee posted:How the gently caress Does this even happen Fell off a transporter.
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Slo-Tek posted:War is the great rear end in a top hat magnet. And the people who show up are bullshitters, psychos and grifters, and they end up going home, getting in jail, or dead. As a bullshitting gipper: ya
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:If I recall correctly, part of the strategic justification for the US military budget is being able to fight two large scale expeditionary conflicts simultaneously. Now that Russia is being exposed as a paper tiger, isn't that a reason to cut back on spending? If China is the only potential conventional adversary, gearing up for two enemies that don't exist comes off as a waste of money. The US military dropped the two-front doctrine (which had been an empty promise even before the great Reduction In Force of the early 90s, and a bad joke since then) in 2019.
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Alan Smithee posted:How the gently caress Does this even happen you flip the camera upside down I believe
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Russian ballistic missiles struck targets within 10 miles of the Polish border this morning. https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f087f6d099f6231
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Alan Smithee posted:How the gently caress Does this even happen Have you watched Russian dashcam videos?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:If I recall correctly, part of the strategic justification for the US military budget is being able to fight two large scale expeditionary conflicts simultaneously. Now that Russia is being exposed as a paper tiger, isn't that a reason to cut back on spending? If China is the only potential conventional adversary, gearing up for two enemies that don't exist comes off as a waste of money.
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# ? Mar 13, 2022 08:27 |
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If the russians want to attack Australia, well... it's their choice... i guess.
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Stravag posted:I thought we weren't supposed to talk about cspam in this thread? Wait, the antiwar thread is the fascist thread? ... 2022, seek help
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BrotherJayne posted:Wait, the antiwar thread is the fascist thread? It was a joke about cspam tankies supporting fascist talking points as long as the talking point blames the us
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cruft posted:I don't know, I think the media isn't doing too bad, it's just that they're focusing on emotional impact. I couldn't agree more, it's a decent aggregate for me as i don't use Twitter, Facebook or many other media services. I assume some bias (we're only human) but it's more level headed & less sensationalist than other sources.
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Bored As gently caress posted:Good article by Jack Murphy here Speaking of dudes running off to fight in foreign wars they have little stake or understanding of...how is Caro these days? Did anybody talk to him after he got out of Syrian torture prison?
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Speaking of dudes running off to fight in foreign wars they have little stake or understanding of...how is Caro these days? Did anybody talk to him after he got out of Syrian torture prison? Yes NPR recently did two pieces on him. He's suing the Syrian government. https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1066718893/kevin-dawes-sues-syria
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Action-Bastard posted:Yes NPR recently did two pieces on him. He's suing the Syrian government. That entire article is just
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180 degree revolutionary Russian tank tactics; use whole Earth as armor! Try to top attack this, Javelin!
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davecrazy posted:Modern? yes, modern. while history is littered with examples of foreign mercenaries fighting in conflicts for monetary gain, this particular brand of volunteerism is more linked to war tourism and seems to disproportionately bait people suffering from mental illnesses, who go off and suffer the consequences with little to no support afterwards that would be afforded to actual veterans. it sure feels like a lot of these people just drown themselves in social media until they hit a breaking point and buy a plane ticket to a warzone, and then media glorifies them with really gross profiles, furthering the cycle. caro is a textbook example from these very forums.
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loving sick. https://youtu.be/Gezu6A9zcLU Looks like 2 different squads, maybe the same element. Squad 1 - RPG-7 (2), NLAW (1), ammo guy for RPG-7 w/ 2 extra rounds. Squad 2 @ 1:15 (possibly either the same squad, or part of same element / platoon as earlier squad) - RPV-16 (2), Panzerfaust 3 (2), RPG-7 (2) That's a surprising amount of AT for that amount of dudes. They could really gently caress some poo poo up.
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Bored As gently caress posted:loving sick. Wild how quickly the Panzerfaust 3s made their way to front line troops near Kyiv.
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brains posted:yes, modern. while history is littered with examples of foreign mercenaries fighting in conflicts for monetary gain, this particular brand of volunteerism is more linked to war tourism and seems to disproportionately bait people suffering from mental illnesses, who go off and suffer the consequences with little to no support afterwards that would be afforded to actual veterans. it sure feels like a lot of these people just drown themselves in social media until they hit a breaking point and buy a plane ticket to a warzone, and then media glorifies them with really gross profiles, furthering the cycle. caro is a textbook example from these very forums. Social media means we see more of it but volunteers who are not just simply mercenaries is nothing new. The Spanish civil war was filled with idealistic volunteers, on both sides. The Winter War saw almost 10,000 Swedish volunteers. There should be plenty more examples. It is pretty safe to assume that som percentage of those volunteers where exactly the same kind of people as the war tourists you describe.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:If I recall correctly, part of the strategic justification for the US military budget is being able to fight two large scale expeditionary conflicts simultaneously. Now that Russia is being exposed as a paper tiger, isn't that a reason to cut back on spending? If China is the only potential conventional adversary, gearing up for two enemies that don't exist comes off as a waste of money. lol funny loving dude
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Kadyrov is allegedly in Donetsk. Let's hope he embraces leading from the front as vigorously as his Russian counterparts have.
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You're not helping. Why is that, leon
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Milo and POTUS posted:You're not helping. Why is that, leon Let me tell you about my mother. [sound of a Javelin firing]
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DekeThornton posted:Social media means we see more of it but volunteers who are not just simply mercenaries is nothing new. The Spanish civil war was filled with idealistic volunteers, on both sides. The Winter War saw almost 10,000 Swedish volunteers. There should be plenty more examples. It is pretty safe to assume that som percentage of those volunteers where exactly the same kind of people as the war tourists you describe. the swedish volunteers were trained reservists that were fully equipped by the swedish state, and they were the only volunteers who were actually sent to the front the rest of the winter war foreign volunteers were similar adventurers and war tourists like the people now arriving in ukraine, and they arrived too late to finish their training before the war ended
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DekeThornton posted:Social media means we see more of it but volunteers who are not just simply mercenaries is nothing new. The Spanish civil war was filled with idealistic volunteers, on both sides. The Winter War saw almost 10,000 Swedish volunteers. There should be plenty more examples. It is pretty safe to assume that som percentage of those volunteers where exactly the same kind of people as the war tourists you describe. absolutely true, but i'm not referring to people trained by another state as reservist, paramilitary, or militia forces who then go off to fight in another conflict or proxy war, or the traditional for-hire mercenary. i'm explicitly referring to true volunteers who are not state-sponsored in any way. if you step back and take a look at some of these peoples' trajectories, it looks awfully similar to other types of online radicalization, and my problem is that when the person is western and going to fight on the "correct" side, they are glorified by the media, and when they go to do jihad or fight against western-backed powers, they are terrorists. it's gross that people get incentivized to radicalize and fight in a foreign war if it benefits the west. true, it's not a new phenomenon, but it's still just as gross and now you become a tiktok star in the process.
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ChubbyChecker posted:the swedish volunteers were trained reservists that were fully equipped by the swedish state, and they were the only volunteers who were actually sent to the front And even then the Swedish volunteers were not sent to the primary fronts, but instead freed up Finnish troops in the north to be moved where the actual fighting was. Less than 30 Swedes died in Winter war, and all of them as result of air battles or artillery fire.
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The Guardian reporting that a NYT journalist was shot and killed by Russian forces in Irpin. No word yet on who it was, but it was a NYT team that documented the death of that family by mortar fire in Irpin.
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psydude posted:The Guardian reporting that a NYT journalist was shot and killed by Russian forces in Irpin. No word yet on who it was, but it was a NYT team that documented the death of that family by mortar fire in Irpin. https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1502988753165561857
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psydude posted:The Guardian reporting that a NYT journalist was shot and killed by Russian forces in Irpin. No word yet on who it was, but it was a NYT team that documented the death of that family by mortar fire in Irpin. I saw his name in one of the other threads. He's been identified and the twitter thread has pictures of his dead body. I can't find it again at the moment, but its out there. e:f;b.
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https://twitter.com/jimmysecuk/status/1502999312732631043?s=21 Mmm… that’s not cooking.
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brains posted:yes, modern. while history is littered with examples of foreign mercenaries fighting in conflicts for monetary gain, this particular brand of volunteerism is more linked to war tourism and seems to disproportionately bait people suffering from mental illnesses, who go off and suffer the consequences with little to no support afterwards that would be afforded to actual veterans. it sure feels like a lot of these people just drown themselves in social media until they hit a breaking point and buy a plane ticket to a warzone, and then media glorifies them with really gross profiles, furthering the cycle. caro is a textbook example from these very forums. I think if there was social media in the 1930s and 1940s you wind find the same type of motivations from the folks who rushed into Spain (on both sides) or volunteered in England and China.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://twitter.com/jimmysecuk/status/1502999312732631043?s=21 Oh no, Russians have been misled by disinformation, same as us. They too heard about the effectiveness of pickled cucumbers, but the truth is it was pickled tomatoes all along. Those jars are useless to them.
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