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ThomasPaine posted:Whenever I remember this woman runs an actual school I get earnestly sad thinking about the poor kids who have to endure it. I remember when I was 14/15 I was being pretty badly bullied and being able to just completely lose myself in videogame escapism every night was such a relief for me. It's baffling to me that we still have plenty of people in this country who have such a reactionary, completely baseless assumption that they're somehow inherently bad for kids. The mental health of pupils at that school must be in loving tatters. Well at least there's always the traditional books, films and comics, unless those are forbidden too somehow. Most of those I'd argue are no more intellectually stimulating than games anyway. Maybe there's a cynical angle to it because reading skills have a strong positive effect on exam performance. I might have been joking when I say 'gaming is just for adults' but the truth is because of parental restrictions I did far more gaming at uni and as an adult than I ever did as teen. To the point where I went back and finished games I didn't have time for as a teen, which retrospectively made me a bit sad. e: I'd often only be allowed 20 minute sessions which is not enough for the vast majority of games, so I never got out of the first 10% of almost any game, with a few exceptions. Really ruins the experience imo. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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forkboy84 posted:gently caress that, "not my beat" is a garbage excuse for ignoring the rampant misogyny & racism of Gudio until it impacted her personally. She's a typical liberal who only gives a gently caress about anything that directly impacts her. Leaving the EU? Raaaaargh mad. Folk being sanctioned by the DWP & literally starving to death, not figuratively but literally dying because the state found some minor fault and punished them for it? Not my beat. Or "not my beat" could be interperated as pull your loving finger out to journalists who aren't fighting years of libel suits with arron banks and his ghouls
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jiggerypokery posted:Or "not my beat" could be interperated as pull your loving finger out to journalists who aren't fighting years of libel suits with arron banks and his ghouls wow all that water must get really heavy sometimes
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I'm sorry but putting together a case for how vote leave was paid for by dark money that's strong enough to hold up in court is The Good Fight and I'll die on this hill.
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Private Speech posted:Well at least there's always the traditional books, films and comics, unless those are forbidden too somehow. Most of those I'd argue are no more intellectually stimulating than games anyway. Christ you just reminded me of the many times my mum waltzed in and insisted I switch the PlayStation off, completely deaf to my protests about needing to find a save point. This happened after I finally beat that demon wall boss in temple of the ancients in ff7 after struggling against it for days because I was stupid underlevelled. To this day I don't think she understands why I was mad at her for a whole week lol. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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Julio Cruz posted:wow all that water must get really heavy sometimes Cadwalladr was literally quoting Martin Niemoller. I don't see anyone rushing to say how Niemoller deserved it when the Nazis came for him because he was a liberal oval office.
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forkboy84 posted:gently caress that, "not my beat" is a garbage excuse for ignoring the rampant misogyny & racism of Gudio until it impacted her personally. She's a typical liberal who only gives a gently caress about anything that directly impacts her. Leaving the EU? Raaaaargh mad. Folk being sanctioned by the DWP & literally starving to death, not figuratively but literally dying because the state found some minor fault and punished them for it? Not my beat. I think you've misread her here, I took that as her acknowledging it was a bad reason to not speak up. She's basically paraphrasing that "First they came for" poem.
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jiggerypokery posted:I don't care. I don't need to agree with her every last opinion to say that she is paying the price for being one of about 3 people The thing is that it's only partially real journalism. It's being used to limit public curiosity and empathy as much as it's being used to expand it, narrowly focusing the problems of imperialism and corruption on One Bad Dude in order to further the agendas of other corrupt imperialists. There's no other grounds for deflecting away from the genocide in Yemen, for instance, which is a product of the exact same corruption and imperialism by the British government, except that it's done by people her side likes. She's under extreme and vicious attack, but that's largely because both sides in an elite faction war play dirty, rather than because she's actually threatening the systems at the heart of the problem. Long story short, it's extremely difficult to trust the motives of people who post this sort if reheated Cold War bullshit: 
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ThomasPaine posted:Christ you just reminded me of the many many my mum waltzed in and insisted I switch the PlayStation off, completely deaf to my protests about needing to find a save point. This happened after I finally beat that demon wall boss in temple of the ancients in ff7 after struggling against it for days because I was stupid underlevelled. To this day I don't think she understands why I was mad at her for a whole week lol. Honestly that sounds pretty good, I don't think I ever got out of midgard in months that I played. The few games I ever finished were like lba1 which took me more than a year and now I managed to comfortably replay over the other weekend. Really did feel a bit sad. I don't think spending hours playing with legos or watching garbage TV shows for tweens was any better for me. Begrudgingly I admit that the reading really did help me a lot academically, not that that led to any amazing success in adulthood. A few encyclopedias back-to-back were enough to never have to pay attention in history and geography for one. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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Not having read Naiomi Klein is not an unforgivable sin in my opinion. The thing is, she is just one person. It takes loving years to do the sort of work she is doing in her day job which is much bigger than her questionable twitter opinions. If 100 people were doing the quality of investigation she does, we might have better politics. We have to give credit where its due.
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Dabir posted:I think you've misread her here, I took that as her acknowledging it was a bad reason to not speak up. She's basically paraphrasing that "First they came for" poem. Pastor Niemöller's poem is a powerful entreatment to others to never tolerate injustice in the first place, if not out of conscience then for the sake of your own future self. Busting it out once they've come for you is missing the point a bit.
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jiggerypokery posted:If 100 people were doing the quality of investigation she does, we might have better politics. No, we wouldn't. She can do her "quality of investigation" because her team is small and easily-ignored. There isn't the financial backing to get 100x her team, because no newspaper wants to pay someone who can't poo poo out articles that are '50% scraping social media, 50% press release' seven times a day to meet print deadline. And, crucially, any newspaper that did put their money where their mouth is would probably get raided by MI5 at the Government's behest.
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jiggerypokery posted:Not having read Naiomi Klein is not an unforgivable sin in my opinion. Again, she can do her 'quality of investigation' because she is backed by rival imperial interests, which also in and of itself limits the scope, quality, and reliability of her journalism. It's fundamentally just oppo research, designed to change who benefits from corrupt and abusive systems while minimising the damage to the systems themselves (by pinning their problems on a few bad actors rather than something more fundamental and structural). Liberal Cold Warriors are not your friends, and will turn on you the second you say an unkind word against their own murderous sugar-daddies. The fact that she pals around with Alistair Campbell should be warning enough.
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forkboy84 posted:gently caress that, "not my beat" is a garbage excuse for ignoring the rampant misogyny & racism of Gudio until it impacted her personally. She's a typical liberal who only gives a gently caress about anything that directly impacts her. Leaving the EU? Raaaaargh mad. Folk being sanctioned by the DWP & literally starving to death, not figuratively but literally dying because the state found some minor fault and punished them for it? Not my beat.
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Dabir posted:I think you've misread her here, I took that as her acknowledging it was a bad reason to not speak up. She's basically paraphrasing that "First they came for" poem. No, I read her right. Now she knows what it's like to be targeted by Guido she thinks its bad. She didn't care until she was. Acknowledging things only when you have first-hand experience of them is not a great character trait & I think it's reasonable to judge someone for that. I mean we're not talking about someone in their mid-20s, we're talking about someone in their late '40s, by any definition a fully grown adult. Jedit posted:Cadwalladr was literally quoting Martin Niemoller. I don't see anyone rushing to say how Niemoller deserved it when the Nazis came for him because he was a liberal oval office. There's not really much of a rush, what with it all being said over several decades, but there's plenty of people who've criticised Niemoller. Not sure about saying he deserved it, but then no one is arguing Cadwalladr deserves to be held in a concentration camp for 7 years either.
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https://twitter.com/CouncilCulture/status/1503053867004710916 Came home to this on my doormat, probably best all round that whatever local councilor or lanyard wanker they had out doorknocking (because there sure as poo poo aren't any actual volunteers doing it any more) didn't have to try and explain to me exactly why I should vote for them when the party has spent the last two years extremely vehemently telling me they don't want me anywhere near them.
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Look, I'm in my early thirties. I'm from the first generation in history not to increasingly vote right as it has gotten older. I have to live potentially my entire life twice over again on this planet. We've been utterly betrayed over Corbyn but that isn't the end of the story of our generation. I am not ready for the type of nihilism that says that not fighting the people looking to doom us to climate catastrophe and/or total fascism is a Good Thing because the only people who are able to do it professionally write for the guardian. We HAVE to get active and support people doing good things to make space for better people to do better things.
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forkboy84 posted:No, I read her right. Now she knows what it's like to be targeted by Guido she thinks its bad. She didn't care until she was. Acknowledging things only when you have first-hand experience of them is not a great character trait & I think it's reasonable to judge someone for that. I mean we're not talking about someone in their mid-20s, we're talking about someone in their late '40s, by any definition a fully grown adult. Borrowing it for "I was happy to swim in the cess pit of British media until some of the piss got up my own nose" seems a bit indulgent, if not in poor taste. There's another great poem of our generation that's more apt for that: https://twitter.com/screaminbutcalm/status/1105577845642878976 Bobby Deluxe posted:jemery crombles was the worst hitler since arthur scargill  Pledge is what kieth huffs when he's out of whiskey.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Thats the depressing thing. It's not men is smokey rooms making plans for the next shipment of ambrosia. On that sort of note, I have to say replaying deus ex while listening to knowledge fight is an incredible experience.
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jiggerypokery posted:I'm sorry but putting together a case for how vote leave was paid for by dark money that's strong enough to hold up in court is The Good Fight and I'll die on this hill.
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jiggerypokery posted:Look, I'm in my early thirties. I'm from the first generation in history not to increasingly vote right as it has gotten older. I have to live potentially my entire life twice over again on this planet. What you're saying is "something must be done, this is something, thererfore we must do it" I and others keep pointing this out but terminal russia brain being the lens through which you interpret politics is not a helpful answer. Even if it is sometimes correct by chance, it does not give you an accurate picture of why the world is the way it is, and subscribing to it limits your ability to do that because you can only suggest that the reason for everything is "russia did it" I don't even think that is true of brexit, plenty of people across the UK political spectrum spent many decades blaming their own failings on europe because it was convenient, even if russian interference tipped the scales, it was the rest of UK society that stacked them in the first place. And she is completely unwilling and unable to think about that, because she thinks "the west" is civilization against the barbarism of the east. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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TACD posted:Why? What happens after they are found to have acted illegally? The right breaks this sort of law as a matter of course now, it would barely even be newsworthy. Ukraine has changed poo poo. Public opinion in the UK right now is Putin + Oligarch Money Bad. Power in the UK and the media revolving door demonstrably do not feel that way. It will not stay that way because these cunts always win the public debate in the end. We have a limited amount of time to use that energy and scream about any wonton corruption that we can. jiggerypokery fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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jiggerypokery posted:Look, I'm in my early thirties. I'm from the first generation in history not to increasingly vote right as it has gotten older. I have to live potentially my entire life twice over again on this planet. Assuming that the controlled opposition are necessary to our struggle is a far more grim, nihilistic, and blinkered perspective. There's quite a lot of people outside the bubble of our media-political ecosystem, and quite a lot of them are more useful and reliable than the various sheltered freaks, bigots, and crooks within it. Claiming that we HAVE to say nice things about frothing imperialists whenever they attack their political rivals is nothing but despair disguised as hope.
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Big fan of Cadwalladr here. Before I’d heard of her I thought Brexit might have been a long term plan by certain tories encouraged by her mates in the right wing media but apparently it’s all due to Russians funnelling money to like three people.
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OwlFancier posted:I and others keep pointing this out but terminal russia brain being the lens through which you interpret politics is not a helpful answer. Russian money has utterly corrupted the UK since the 90's. It's not just Russian money, but it is 0 coincidence that brexit happened, Corbyn was politically assassinated and oligarchs all launder their money through the UK and not France or Germany. It's not "terminal russia brain" because it's not just russia. The climate denial lobby is paying for and empowering the exact same people. That's the bigger picture here. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/07/us-billionaires-hard-right-britain-spiked-magazine-charles-david-koch-foundation That's not the whole reason, but it's a major reason why our politics is so poo poo. I'm sorry, but literally any damage that can be done to that picture in any form, I'm willing to take. I can't go out and drown every single enabling oval office in british politics and press but I can say here is one person, doing one small, good, thing. Brainworms, hottakes, whatever but credit where credit is due.
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doing something about the one thing that happens to affect you and ignoring a load of other, more important, things because they don't, is not really the sign of a good person
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Again, "something must be done, this is something" is not a good argument specifically because it leads you to do things that are actively counterproductive under the notion that all action is preferable to inaction. There is a reason it is usually trotted out as the basis of interventionism.
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HopperUK posted:what the gently caress 'hitler didn't kill ethnic Germans' what the gently caress WHAT THE gently caress As noted a lot of people really don't know anything more than "hitler bad and racist"
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jiggerypokery posted:doing nothing at all because nothing seems good enough to be worth it isn't the sign of a good person either and it's a drat shame that those are literally the only two options available to a print journalist in the UK
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Julio Cruz posted:and it's a drat shame that those are literally the only two options available to a print journalist in the UK And what do you suggest we do about that? I mean, one thought I had was when a print journalist vaguely steps out side of the mould and does something actually productive we at least say "well done" but apparently i'm loving crazy
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jiggerypokery posted:And what do you suggest we do about that? uh that was sarcasm my dude there a shitton of things more important right now than which of a group of cunts paid the most to make Brexit happen
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HopperUK posted:what the gently caress 'hitler didn't kill ethnic Germans' what the gently caress WHAT THE gently caress It is both incredibly stupid and completely wrong, but in context I get what they were aiming for. Hitler of course killed a whole bunch of ethnic Germans because they didn't meet his standards for the master race, but he didn't kill them just because they were ethnic Germans and he never made out that anyone in the countries he invaded was really a German. Whereas Putin has marched into Ukraine on the pretext that it's a part of his country and everyone who lives there is Russian, but then started bombing maternity hospitals. "Say this for Hitler, at least he never lied about being a conqueror" is a hell of a dumb take and a dril tweet waiting to happen, but the aim isn't to validate Hitler or minimise his crimes - it's to reinforce the fact that Putin is not a liberator.
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jiggerypokery posted:We've been utterly betrayed over Corbyn but that isn't the end of the story of our generation. It probably is. Keir Starmer 59 Boris Johnson 57 If a generation is not skipped, we will be in US territory age-wise. But never mind that, who knew Starmer was older than Johnson!
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Julio Cruz posted:uh that was sarcasm my dude Like the obliteration of Ukrainian cities and their civilians, Climate Catastrophy, the complete destruction of the labour opposition, constant vicious attacks on minorities of all kinds from both the press and the government? Gee sure be a shame if someone was investigating where some of the money behind some of that was coming from.
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