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Venger is officially too cringe for the Pundit. shot https://twitter.com/VengerSatanis/status/1502431534585946121 chaser https://twitter.com/KasimirUrbanski/status/1503070485524848640
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Both of these people are barely pushing past 100 likes in their social media slapfight. Pretty sure this is a sign they're becoming irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Libertad! fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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Mar 14, 2022 00:31
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More like "cringer satanis" lmao, what a fukkin hot topic reject that guy is.
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Mar 14, 2022 01:02
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Libertad! posted:Both of these people are barely pushing past 100 likes in their social media slapfight.
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Mar 14, 2022 01:10
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They're niche voices in what used to be a niche hobby. Did they ever have engagement beyond maybe a hundred or so people?
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Mar 14, 2022 02:15
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Libertad! posted:Both of these people are barely pushing past 100 likes in their social media slapfight. I doubt they were really ever 'relevant', pundit you could make an argument for since he had his own personal community but I'm not sure about venger
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Mar 14, 2022 02:16
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Even Pundit was basically one forum of sub-Traditional Games level engagement. They're not even has-beens.
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Mar 14, 2022 02:23
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Froghammer posted:They're niche voices in what used to be a niche hobby. Did they ever have engagement beyond maybe a hundred or so people? Pundit kinda sorta but probably not really. Venger's claim to fame has always been 'the guy that got banned from RPG.net for casting spells on the mods.'
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Mar 14, 2022 02:29
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I've gotten the impression that Venger actually has more clout now that he has OSR Twitter to play off of than back when he caught that famous ban. More of his audience takes him seriously, at any rate. (As much as he'd winkingly claim otherwise.)
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Mar 14, 2022 02:44
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Picking an internet fight is a great way to raise your profile if you don't have a lot else going on. See also: Zweihander guy.
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Mar 14, 2022 02:59
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I'm not sure which is more pathetic, when he gets into stupid arguments for clout, or when he ingratiates himself to anyone who has neglected to block him.
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Mar 14, 2022 03:07
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I'm not sure which is more pathetic, when he gets into stupid arguments for clout, or when he ingratiates himself to anyone who has neglected to block him. Blocking? One of the many excellent talents in Zweihander RPG! Now with a new kickstarter!
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Blocking? One of the many excellent talents in Zweihander RPG! Now with a new kickstarter! I was talking about Venger, but sure 
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Mar 14, 2022 03:11
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Zweihander RPG! Now with a new kickstarter! Zweihander RPG! It'll kill Dungeons & Dragons dead!
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Mar 14, 2022 04:06
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What the hell does that thing say? 'Chaalt Right'? Also I haven't seen that font since Windows 98, I'm impressed.
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Mar 14, 2022 10:59
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um excuse me it's Cha'alt. get it right or I'll touch the purple flame.
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Mar 14, 2022 11:06
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LaSquida posted:Even Pundit was basically one forum of sub-Traditional Games level engagement. They're not even has-beens. Part of the reason why grognards.txt ended up getting closed is because goons were literally the majority of the people actually paying attention to most of them, iirc.
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Froghammer posted:They're niche voices in what used to be a niche hobby. Did they ever have engagement beyond maybe a hundred or so people?
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Mar 14, 2022 14:58
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MadScientistWorking posted:Pundit did but only because of Alexander Macris which apparently wasn't very popular beyond that either. Going to go into more detail beyond a vaguepost? Pundit did get signalboosted by Mike Mearls in the playtest credits back in the day, so it's not like Pundit's toxic fanbase (however small it is now) was lifted solely just by one person.
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Mar 14, 2022 23:45
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mellonbread posted:Picking an internet fight is a great way to raise your profile if you don't have a lot else going on. As much as I hate to give Dan Fox credit for anything, while he does do a lot of social media engagement farming which has on occasion taken the form of various beefs (against The Trove, against haters, against people making fun of lovely D&D hacks, etc), he's absolutely orders of magnitude above either of those two dipshits in terms of making a game people actually want to play and clawing his way up whatever ladder exists to climb within this industry. Pundit and Venger can slapfight until the heat death of the universe and it isn't going to raise them above the level of background noise because A). nobody cares what either of them make and B). even their arguments aren't interesting.
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Kai Tave posted:As much as I hate to give Dan Fox credit for anything, while he does do a lot of social media engagement farming which has on occasion taken the form of various beefs (against The Trove, against haters, against people making fun of lovely D&D hacks, etc), he's absolutely orders of magnitude above either of those two dipshits in terms of making a game people actually want to play and clawing his way up whatever ladder exists to climb within this industry. Pundit and Venger can slapfight until the heat death of the universe and it isn't going to raise them above the level of background noise because A). nobody cares what either of them make and B). even their arguments aren't interesting. Venger is selling some product, if nothing else. His Cha'alt After Dark (  if you look for it) project funded last year. 10K for a 2K target, mind.
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Libertad! posted:Going to go into more detail beyond a vaguepost? Pundit did get signalboosted by Mike Mearls in the playtest credits back in the day, so it's not like Pundit's toxic fanbase (however small it is now) was lifted solely just by one person.
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MadScientistWorking posted:Pundit did but only because of Alexander Macris which apparently wasn't very popular beyond that either. Yeah. Macris outstrips both of them put together if we're going by 'successful.' He has that Ascendant superhero RPG that only just recently fell out of the DTRPG top ten. No points for guessing it had a lot of 'finally a superhero game without the politics' reviews.
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MadScientistWorking posted:I mean that's not vague posting when that's all there is to it. Macris was literally Pundits boss. Do you have a source or reference for this? I don't remember it at all. Ohhhh I think you mean when Pundit was writing for that manosphere/mra site Macris was running, that wasn't RPG stuff but there was a relationship.
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Cureall posted:What the hell does that thing say? 'Chaalt Right'? Wondered the same. Googled and it's some edgelord bullshit D&D campaign setting he's created.
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Cha'alt was already a game about a dimension full of horny demons messily dispatching one another; I can't imagine what's in the "After Dark" version. (Actually, I can. It's definitely Poser porn.)
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah. Macris outstrips both of them put together if we're going by 'successful.' He has that Ascendant superhero RPG that only just recently fell out of the DTRPG top ten. No points for guessing it had a lot of 'finally a superhero game without the politics' reviews. he also owned a whole-rear end website at some point
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Maybe kinda smaller but BJ Hensley - who's worked on a metric gently caress-ton of RPG stuff for most of recent history - is Cephalofair's (Gloomhaven's) new art director.
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Is there a summary of this Pundit/Cha’alt/whatever business? I have no idea who any of the players are but I do love good shitlord drama. I’m new to this thread and the thought of reading nearly 800 pages is daunting.
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Kasimir "RPGPundit" Urbanski is a loving Nazi jackass who deals in a lot of bad faith arguments about game design and is involved in the OSR. He makes his own indie poo poo but his main claims to fame are being a Nazi and being credited as a consultant in D&D 5e before mass uproar over him being an enormous piece of poo poo along with the other major piece of poo poo Zak S being removed as consultants. He is currently repeatedly making GBS threads into an ever-filling bucket with diminishing returns as his fanbase slowly leaves him. Venger Satanis is a tryhard jackass whose job is being a professional chump on the internet. He theoretically has an audience that is probably made up of really boringly horny middle-aged people who thought Ed Greenwood wasn't explicit enough and fetishize about the good ol' days when you could just jack off to a fresh new Heavy Metal magazine in the back of your van the moment you leave the store. God only knows if he actually has an audience but that's the sort of indie game content he produces, that and inscrutable and boring D&D clones that are supposed to be weird science fantasy. Satanis is mostly famous for having changed his name to be Venger Satanis, hollering online about how he's the official high priest of Cthulhu, and repeatedly being banned from RPGNet for being an enormous threadshitter and troll up to and including threatening to cast spells on the mods of RPGNet and showing up to proudly announce his new gender was "tentacle monster". He is currently standing on a digital sidewalk hocking wares with one hand with the other hand shoved down his pants. The two of them run in the same circles generally and now they're having really lovely beef over asinine poo poo because they're both tremendously irrelevant in the TTRPG scene and their corner of fascist grogs is perpetually devouring itself over drama and the fact nobody actually likes each other in that increasingly shrinking group.
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Hostile V posted:A pithy and entertaining summary.
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Hostile V posted:Satanis is mostly famous for having changed his name to be Venger Satanis, hollering online about how he's the official high priest of Cthulhu, and repeatedly being banned from RPGNet for being an enormous threadshitter and troll up to and including threatening to cast spells on the mods of RPGNet and showing up to proudly announce his new gender was "tentacle monster". Gotta say, I think for the first time ever I feel bad for Cthulhu.
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Venger was also supposed to be a guest of honor at TSR Con, which was Justin LaNasa's maskless alternative to Gary Con. Venger was apparently too much of a shot for La Nasa and his convention of misfit boomers. So Venger decided to hold his own convention (Venger Con), with blackjack and hookers. That got canceled when the store he rented realized who they were dealing with. Edit: because I'm a glutton for dumbishment, he's moved his con to a hotel. Eastmabl fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Mar 16, 2022 |
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:he also owned a whole-rear end website at some point And worked for Milo Yiannopoulos somewhere in between (prior to his fall from grace). Hostile V posted:Kasimir "RPGPundit" Urbanski is a loving Nazi jackass who deals in a lot of bad faith arguments about game design and is involved in the OSR. He makes his own indie poo poo but his main claims to fame are being a Nazi and being credited as a consultant in D&D 5e before mass uproar over him being an enormous piece of poo poo along with the other major piece of poo poo Zak S being removed as consultants. He is currently repeatedly making GBS threads into an ever-filling bucket with diminishing returns as his fanbase slowly leaves him. To kind of go into some older history, Pundit's big claim to fame for a while was...owning? Running?...a forum called TheRPGsite which was a forum that was very "no SJWs allowed!" before SJW was even really a term, and functioned largely as an offsite refuge for people banned from RPGnet, another forum with which they had a very one-sided rivalry. Pundit loved to call people who played storygames (RPGs that did not pass some arbitrary definition of RPG-ness for his tastes) "swine" and had particular animus towards Green Ronin's romantic fantasy campaign setting Blue Rose, which led him to coin the term "venisonocracy" in what might be the only funny thing he's ever come up with. He made a couple of RPGs that I'm aware of, some Amber Diceless knockoff and Arrows of Indra, a D&D retroclone that among other thing uses the Hindu caste system as D&D races, and his last moment of actual relevance was being reached out to by Mike Mearls to "consult" on D&D 5E. At this point he's basically a never-ran who splits his time between posting poo poo about "cultural marxism" on twitter and making youtube videos as Swami Nisarg, if you want to see what a Canadian expat living in Uruguay has to say about runes and the I Ching. Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Mar 16, 2022 |
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Don't forget Pundit got very salty about the LATAM TTRPG Kickstarters and tried to declare himself the 'premier' Latin-American game designer, despite previously being very proudly Polish Canadian.
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Eastmabl posted:Venger was also supposed to be a guest of honor at TSR Con, which was Justin LaNasa's maskless alternative to Gary Con. He also owns the rights to Encounter Critical now and doesn't understand a single thing about its appeal. This was his pitch for a second edition: quote:"Into each generation, dudes who listen to Slayer are born. They hear the cacophony thrash at the center of existence, working the great wheel that turns in darkness as they are broken upon it.
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Lumbermouth posted:He also owns the rights to Encounter Critical now and doesn't understand a single thing about its appeal. This was his pitch for a second edition:
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Venger's decision to career cosplay as Kane from the Brotherhood of Nod bought him more longevity than anything else.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:I appreciate that S John Ross needed to sell it off, but he chose to sell it to that fucker, and I can't see someone who isn't a giant rear end in a top hat making that choice. There's something really off about Ross, I remember feeling weirded out by him long before I ended up blocking him for selling that to Venger.
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Just to be perfectly clear: last I heard, RPGPundit aka John Tarnowski aka Kasimir Urbanski aka Swami Nisarg is not an out-and-out Neo-Nazi. He says he's Jewish, thus giving him an ironclad defense against accusations of Nazism. He is absolutely a fascist who repeats Nazi talking points, though. Some kind of weird mystical fascist in the vein of Savitri Devi, apparently. He believes that "Cultural Marxist SJW Hipsters" are conspiring to take over the RPG hobby and develop it into a tool of communist indoctrination. Like, the idea is that you'll play Steal Away Jordan or some political Nordic LARP and this will convince you to wear tight pants, become gay, and turn your parents in to the BLM secret police.
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