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SirPhoebos posted:Is it time for a Warrior Comics effort post? everyone reading this thread should watch this video... it owns
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RIP to the Bad Guy, he's going over in eternity now. Jamesman posted:But yeah, it's not surprising to me at all that WWE would gently caress it all up, especially WWE now. But I do wonder about something. Why is it things like Kane and the Undertaker worked and have stood strong for decades, but other, similar characters are short-lived? Are they just seen as Undertaker/Kane knock-offs and don't stand on their own? Would Undertaker and Kane even be things if those characters showed up in the last ten years? With a lot of things in this thread, this is going to take a pinch of speculation, a fistful of logic, and bit of history.  The Undertaker has, canonically, been buried alive 3 times. "Kayfabe" is the term used to describe wrestling's story, so going forward when I say "Kayfabe _____" I'm trying to say that "in the story of the match". Got it? Okay. In an earlier post I made I talked about how a good gimmick and a good story in wrestling takes time. Well, Taker has had the better part of 30 years to build, and when he Kayfabe dies, he comes back a little different. And he is Dead. When Taker returns, he has some new supernatural power, or personality change, or gimmick adjustment. For Contrast, Bray Wyatt had 3 gimmick changes (Bray, Fiend, Fiend (char variant) in 8 years. Taker has had 7 World Titles Reigns in 30 years. Bray had 3 in 8 years. They're on pretty similar tracks all things considered. Just, Bray is moving faster. Because, with the change in content amounts he sort of needs to as a result. When Taker started; Raw was 1 hour, smack down didn't exist, and there wasn't 12 ppv events every year to build around. You got to take time to drag everything out (which helps build). As Taker got older (and slower), he kept that same sporadic appearance schedule but in the environment of constant hours of wrestling every loving second of every day he felt like an event. Which added to his mystique, and built this idea of a "supernatural legend" I mean, for fucks sake, he's the only wrestler that can have a feud by cutting the lights and playing like, 5 seconds of his into music. He doesn't even need to be in the building, it's legendary. Kane, kane. Kane....  Kane is The undertaker. But fire. He's a pallet swap Taker and instead of being "kind of spooky and generally supernatural" he's a "legit slasher maniac" Someone in this thread posted that Jason Vorhees couldn't be a wrestling character. That person is blind because Kane is Jason Vorhees and he's had an illustrious career. Let's do a tale of the tape!  - Big Tall Spooky Guy - Wears a mask - Violently attacks people - Disfigured from childhood - Out for revenge - Vengeance is often sidetracked and meted out on the otherwise innocent Yeah, and I'd wager that if Jason was in the WWE for 20+ years, he'd eventually drop the mask and become commissioner of Smackdown too. Quick aside, One time Papa Shango set a man's hand on fire with magic instead of, you know, wrestling him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3wrrmUOXfg So, okay, why isn't there more? That was the question right? Where's Papa Shango or The Boogyman, or Zombie, or Warrior that one time when he could appear in smoke and shout incoherently? Why isn't the WWE awash with creepy wrestling spookermans? Well, this part is the speculation. Mark Calaway (the Undertaker) and Glen Jacobs (Kane) are probably the most loyal company men ever. Now that means a few things in the WWE. First, it means that you don't have to be the Gobbeldy Gooker. Like, Sure, Kane has been involved in a number of comedy and stupid angles over the years but he's never been presented as "haha look at this loser!" More like, "Isn't it funny that Kane is in Anger Management?" which is a little different. Like, for as much poo poo as we give the Katie Vick angle, Kane wasn't the one that had fake sex with a dummy in a casket. That was Triple H. Kane was just...around while it happened. Mark (Taker) by all accounts is basically the locker room's dad. Keeping guys in line and doing a lot of "generally leadership" type things in regards to the locker room. This massive amount of respect is a two way street and as a result, just about everyone speaks very positively about him (Seriously, I challenge all the spergy wrestle effort posters to find solid examples of Wrestlers talking poo poo about Taker that doesn't just sound like sour grapes). So he doesn't get booked like poo poo. He doesn't get smashed to the bottom of the card because one time he got more over than Vince wanted him to be, Taker doesn't have to put anyone over he doesn't want to and generally does a good job of putting over good guys. This is probably why he's out of the title scene usually since it allows him a lot more free reign to do what he wants. How this all comes together is in the following: Taker and Kane have a lot of good will and free reign with the Company to pretty much do what they want and not get involved in any angle that's hot garbage. They don't have to "pay dues" or "grab the brass ring" or any other bullshit that new talent has to go through. They come from a time when you could have a career that was in some fashion basically just "show up 5 times a year and cut 6 promos" so they never got old, or played out. And they're not going to jump ship or do movies (that are good) so you can bank on them to come through when you need a feud. Also, they're big and scary enough that you can slap them into a World title feud and it won't be out of place, but since they're "spooky" you can just have them pop anywhere on the card and it still doesn't feel weird. Also they spend a lot of time helping build new talent instead of dealing with stupid feuds that amount to "no I'm strongest". Bray did not enjoy this level of creative freedom by some accounts, and that (allegedly) led to his departure. So, to be a spookerman wrestler NOW, there's...some hurdles to clear. 1) You can't get Gooker'ed 2) Don't get played out 3) You need enough creative control to not get your deal all hosed up 4) Management has to like you enough to not bury you for not wearing enough cologne or the wrong color shoes or some dumb poo poo, Like beating a guy you're supposed to beat but they like that guy and you didn't make him look strong enough so now you're in dark matches 5) You have to hope that producers don't jump down your loving throat while you're getting over to "help" and then ruin you as a loving result. 6) Don't get injured at a critical time like during a push, or when Vince wants to see you. BUT! If you manage all that, you too can be the next Undertaker.
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i remember for a while there was a rash of wrestler workout videos in the late 2000s, i think spurred on by DDP's yoga (which despite the cringy kinda YOGA FOR GUYS branding is actually a very solid yoga programme with a focus on stuff for top-heavier people), but most of them were extremely lovely and they ended up in a discount chain in england called Poundland (because everything is £1) id pick em up when i saw them for a while cause i worked in the fitness industry and they were funny, but i kinda both hit the jackpot and ruined the whole thing for myself when i found a Scott Steiner workout dvd it was uh...even less of a workout tape than most celebrity workout tapes. it was just scott steiner doing different types of bicep curls with no explanation and a bunch of women stroking his arms. it was kind of niche, bicep-themed pornography. he didn't even talk very much. it was like entirely b-roll of him like curling truck tires on a bar in a junkyard or something
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For some reason I'd forgotten that I actually got to see Scott Hall work live once, back in 1997. I was doing some contract work in North Carolina and I ended up going to a Nitro airing, it was just after Curt Hennig had betrayed the Horsemen and joined the nWo. Here's the match I got to see Hall in, a WCW tag title defense with Hall & Nash (c) vs. Wrath & Mortis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoH3K5YjXZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISegp7kk-ms
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Trollologist posted:This bridge needs to be crossed at some point. But God you have to be careful to not just make it look like domestic abuse. Chikara did intergender wrestling really well. All of their different championships had been held by a woman at some point. Lucha Underground did intergender a lot with mixed results. They were mainly hurt from having a mostly bad set of women's wrestlers to choose from, especially with Sexy Star as one of the top names. On one hand, they were able to do a match where Brian Cage (face) took on Taya Valkyrie (heel) in a hardcore match and brutalized her in a way that miraculously didn't come off as gross. On the other hand, there was Angelico (face) vs. Ivelisse (heel) where Angelico spent the match being what I can best describe as "comically rapey." Apparently, the match was heavily edited for TV due to how negative the reaction was to it.
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Watching Chyna continually slap Jeff Jarrett around in the late 90's was pretty comical, she was loving good. So of course WWF (i.e. Vince & family) decided to treat her like absolute poo poo.Prof. Crocodile posted:The Ultimate Warrior will never truly die as long as all the wrestling fans out there continue to Never Give Up and to cherish his Warrior values such as...
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Goodbye, Bad Guy.
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ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:Watching Chyna continually slap Jeff Jarrett around in the late 90's was pretty comical, she was loving good. So of course WWF (i.e. Vince & family) decided to treat her like absolute poo poo. EXIT STAGE LEFT! EXIT STAGE RIGHT! ALL THE LIGHTBULBS IN ALL THE EXIT SIGNS ARE BURNED OUT! RUN MY BODY OVER WITH THE LAWNMOWERS!
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juggalo baby coffin posted:EXIT STAGE LEFT! EXIT STAGE RIGHT! ALL THE LIGHTBULBS IN ALL THE EXIT SIGNS ARE BURNED OUT! RUN MY BODY OVER WITH THE LAWNMOWERS! -SKRONK-
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:kane is michael myers not jason voorhees Elaborate
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If Scott’s funeral doesn’t start with the words, “HEY YO” I’m going to be very disappointed.
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Isn't the Undertaker's kip-up specifically modeled after Michael Myers?
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ncumbered_by_idgits posted:If Scott’s funeral doesn’t start with the words, “HEY YO” I’m going to be very disappointed. 
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RIP to a legend, Scott Hall was so loving cool. It's crazy to realize how massive he really was; standing next to Kevin Nash and Hulk Hogan all the time definitely made him look more normal.
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Razor's Edge was truly one of the S-tier finishing moves
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-sees nearly twoscore new posts- Scott Hall passed, didn't he? -checks his website- Yeah. Rest in peace bad guy. Of the Clique, I'd say you were the best, one way or another. I think it says a lot about this business that one of my secondary thoughts was "Well, at least it was due to medical bad luck rather than him succumbing to his demons anew and it killing him this time." That's this business: you so often get "Yeah, it was tragic, but drat it could have been a lot MORE tragic."
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juggalo baby coffin posted:i remember for a while there was a rash of wrestler workout videos in the late 2000s, i think spurred on by DDP's yoga (which despite the cringy kinda YOGA FOR GUYS branding is actually a very solid yoga programme with a focus on stuff for top-heavier people), but most of them were extremely lovely and they ended up in a discount chain in england called Poundland (because everything is £1) MAYBE IT'S RIGHT, MAYBE IT AIN'T edit: here's the whole thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ34zgrvf7M MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Mar 15, 2022 |
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Sinteres posted:RIP to a legend, Scott Hall was so loving cool. It's crazy to realize how massive he really was; standing next to Kevin Nash and Hulk Hogan all the time definitely made him look more normal. I remember a promo where he referred to Nash as "the big man" and himself as "the medium size man" and I'm like hold up, in what hosed- up world is 6' 4" 265 lb medium sized jesus christ Also funny that his razor and nwo gimmicks were a slimmed- down version of him. Early in his career when he had the porno moustache he was also loving so swole E: but wrestling is always like that. Even the "smaller" guys like HBK are massive when placed next to a regular 5' 10" 165 lb person. Even next to someone who was similar in height and weight, around 6' 220 lbs, an in-his-prime HBK would still look huge because of his muscular development and proportions titties fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Mar 15, 2022 |
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tbf given how bigness and smallness is usually talked about it's funny to refer to things, especially yourself, as 'medium-sized'. Like Medium Dave, for when the underworld has too many Daves and not enough nicknames. Or More Wee Than Medium-Sized Jock But Not As Wee As Wee Jock Jock.
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When his heart stopped beating, his blood pressure dropped like Owen Hart.
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wesleywillis posted:When his heart stopped beating, his blood pressure dropped like Owen Hart. LOL
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Aw gently caress, there goes another one. RIP Scott Hall.Mr. Meagles posted:Razor's Edge was truly one of the S-tier finishing moves
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ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:Simple but effective. A great finisher. It was also well protected as a finishing move. Scott made it a point that if he was going to lose, he wasn't getting the Razor's Edge off. Which is something I feel is missing from wrestling today, as every match is trying to be "OMG he kicked out of X!" which I feel defeats the purpose of such moments. It reminds me of a discussion I had a friend who said it would be amazing if for one Royal Rumble there was a surprise 31st entrant. My response was that it would be true the first time it happened, but both he and I knew that WWE wouldn't be able to resist doing again in every subsequent RR (and still acting like it was a big loving deal).
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I will be throwing toothpicks in everyone's face today out of respect. Respect.
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SirPhoebos posted:It was also well protected as a finishing move. Scott made it a point that if he was going to lose, he wasn't getting the Razor's Edge off. Which is something I feel is missing from wrestling today, as every match is trying to be "OMG he kicked out of X!" which I feel defeats the purpose of such moments. On the other hand, Razor would always do this setup where he'd act like he was going to Razor Edge his opponent out over the ropes and onto the floor, which would immediately be reversed into a backdrop. It was incredibly obvious because even as a kid I knew that there was no safe way to take that move without your spine shattering into 50 pieces. quote:It reminds me of a discussion I had a friend who said it would be amazing if for one Royal Rumble there was a surprise 31st entrant. My response was that it would be true the first time it happened, but both he and I knew that WWE wouldn't be able to resist doing again in every subsequent RR (and still acting like it was a big loving deal). Lucha Underground did something like this. The show was run by Dario Cueto, a charismatic bastard and proof that you should just get trained actors to play non-wrestler roles. Throughout the first season of the show, Dario would reference and sometimes talk to some creature he kept in a cage hidden in the arena. In time it became apparent that this was his younger brother, Matanza and that he was possessed by an Aztec god. They even killed off a character by having his head shoved into Matanza's cage and Matanza eating his face off. We never got a clear shot of Matanza outside a little bit of his face/mask in the season 1 finale. Season 1 ended with Dario on the run while another character ran Lucha Underground. Dario regrouped, lured people into being brutally murdered by Matanza as part of his training, and finally decided it was time to make his return. LU's version of the Royal Rumble is Aztec Warfare, which is a 20-person match where you can only be eliminated by pinfall and submission. The season 2 Aztec Warfare started with the debut of Rey Mysterio. By #20, there was a good chunk of names in the ring. Then Dario showed up and announced that he was reclaiming being in charge and Matanza was entering at #21. For the first time, we got to see Matanza (played by Olympian wrestler Jeff Cobb) in action and he hosed up every single opponent single-handedly via power moves and cool acrobatic poo poo. After about a year and a half of build up, he made his debut and became this terrifying threat who won the title in his first match. God, that show was so good until it wasn't.
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Mr. Meagles posted:Razor's Edge was truly one of the S-tier finishing moves Who is the guy getting hit with it? That selling is absolutely perfect.
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wesleywillis posted:When his heart stopped beating, his blood pressure dropped like Owen Hart. 
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wesleywillis posted:When his heart stopped beating, his blood pressure dropped like Owen Hart. ...bruh.
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Jamesman posted:Who is the guy getting hit with it? That selling is absolutely perfect.
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SirPhoebos posted:Isn't the Undertaker's kip-up specifically modeled after Michael Myers? petty nitpick, the undertaker's signature is to sit-up from being seemingly dead a kip-up is what shawn michaels does i would pay many dollars to watch the undertaker try to do a kip-up
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also, on the subject of selling, today is a good day to repost scott hall selling a stunner top boy
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Trollologist posted:Elaborate he wears a mask is obsessed with his family and is a libertarian
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FullLeatherJacket posted:also, on the subject of selling, today is a good day to repost scott hall selling a stunner
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SirPhoebos posted:It reminds me of a discussion I had a friend who said it would be amazing if for one Royal Rumble there was a surprise 31st entrant. My response was that it would be true the first time it happened, but both he and I knew that WWE wouldn't be able to resist doing again in every subsequent RR (and still acting like it was a big loving deal). It was funny when New Legacy Inc streamed simulated Royal Rumble matches and one game had something weird like 34 entrants, so new guys just kept coming and nobody knew when it would end. FullLeatherJacket posted:also, on the subject of selling, https://i.imgur.com/FF4dIM4.mp4
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Trollologist posted:RIP to the Bad Guy, he's going over in eternity now. Taker has so few title runs because in the words of Vince, Cornette and most any booker he never needed it, he was 'like Andre' -- the belt was almost beneath him was the perspective. Also why when he had the belt he would drag it around, whats a zombie want with a drat belt. no need to put it on someone like that when you can use it to elevate new draws
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