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Deteriorata posted:Another dawn is breaking and Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian. Thank you. It's a joy to see these posts each morning 
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EscapeHere posted:Ukraine has mud. Who would've thought Fictional Russian soldiers: You know our standing orders. Out of commission, become a pillbox. Out of ammo, become a bunker. Out of time, become heroes. Real ones: I'm gonna get lunch, you watch the tank. No, YOU watch the tank. (but I'm very happy they give up, and I don't know what happens to these guys when they get back to base sans tank. Court-martialed?)
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China isnt actuslly super happy about this - Ukraine was on their belt and road Initiative so they'd spent billions and billions on developing which Russia just bombed into worthlessness. Ans China holds a lot of russian debt which they've just defacto defaulted on.
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gay picnic defence posted:I think China probably helps Russia out and gives them enough support to keep going for a little longer. Not so much because they want the war to drag on but they really want to have strong influence over post war Russia so I think they'll attempt to walk the fine line of providing economic and military assistance to Russia without pissing off the US too much. I'd be surprised if China sold Russia any weapons. As you say, seems like they want to tread a fine line. MRE's and medicine I can see, as those are both obviously incredibly easy to justify. There's also plenty of ways China can justify economic loans enough that you know they can still sort of tread that line, but as soon as you get into weapons, then there's no way to spin it that you haven't crossed a line. I mean China could just take that and shrug, but form their public statements they do seem to be being a bit more cautious about things, and they don't really like this war in the first place. Honestly going all in like that not sure what it would get them from russia that just given financial loans and the like wouldn't, as that gives them way more of a hook into russia.
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gay picnic defence posted:
There's a difference between counter-offensives and counterattacks. One has strategic goals, the other tactical and are usually exploitative in nature.
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mrfart posted:(but I'm very happy they give up, and I don't know what happens to these guys when they get back to base sans tank. Court-martialed?) They get shot in the woods by Russian special forces.
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Blockhouse posted:I know this is a stupid question because it's the question and has probably already been talked about at length in this thread but it's still all I can think about On the flipside from Russia, if Ukraine survives, they have already begun the EU accession process. That takes a few years, but ultimately means cheaper trade with Europe, freedom of movement for all the refugees currently fleeing, and being part of a putative European defensive alliance (the EU has troops, sorta). There's also likely to be a lot of aid sent to Ukraine for rebuilding. If Ukraine loses, then they're stuck behind the new iron curtain.
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Mystic Mongol posted:They get shot in the woods by Russian special forces. In a weird twists those are the only ones who are competent at their job.
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Mar 16, 2022 09:13
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1503874700430258182 So it's not an invasion, just mass emigration of soldiers trying to get out of Russia, which is understandable
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Blockhouse posted:I know this is a stupid question because it's the question and has probably already been talked about at length in this thread but it's still all I can think about No one knows how or when this will end. Your question can only have speculative answers.
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Images from this morning of Kherson airbase with additional damage visible: https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1504010066307002370
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So the mighty Republicans fear the renowned martial prowess of Mexico? Did Trump sell all your material or what? Seriously while I see Ukraine being used as a political argument for nations with disputed territories (even if Erdogan and the Saudi crown prince seem to indicate warmongering has taken a dip at least for those who are not in danger of immediate famine) seeing it emerge in the U.S is strange. Are the Republican talks about Mexican invasion intended to be literal rather than refering to migrants?
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SourKraut posted:FTFY I hope this is just a ham-fisted attempt to be funny.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I hope this is just a ham-fisted attempt to be funny. That's what it looks like to me, yeah.
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Mar 16, 2022 09:57
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Morning updates from Ukraine: Shooting down a couple of Su-34s is a pretty massive blow. You never hear it reported but I wonder how many make it back with battle damage that keeps them out of action for some time. It looks like in response Ukraine is carefully picking and choosing targets for it's own air force.
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gay picnic defence posted:Shooting down a couple of Su-34s is a pretty massive blow. You never hear it reported but I wonder how many make it back with battle damage that keeps them out of action for some time.
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/BrianLaslie/status/1503874079836852226?t=53r6kXEed7wLsqdwyLx9dw&s=19 How the gently caress would these even work? Assuming this somehow happened (  ), would anyone outside the US take these seriously?I guess I'm asking just exactly how stupid this idea is beyond the obvious fact that the Russians would just declare it an act of war on America's part. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Mar 16, 2022 |
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Trump posted:There's a difference between counter-offensives and counterattacks. One has strategic goals, the other tactical and are usually exploitative in nature. Counter offensive confirmed it sounds like https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1504001010787921924?t=skhZNHfabZMbDdS8aImbXA&s=19 AFU =armed forces of Ukraine Guy posting is an advisor to Zelensky
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Why are the Russians only using 1-2 planes per strike? I thought all normal tactics would be to hit one small area with a lot of planes, insteadf of spreading them over the entire front.
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https://www.lsm.lv/raksts/zinas/arzemes/bijusais-deputats-jurass-no-ukrainas-bataljona-sarezgitakais-ir-redzet-blakus-navi.a448063/ On the topic of what do foreign fighters do - recently resigned chairman of Latvian parliament's judiciary committee is deployed to Kyiv outskirts' hotspots, e.g., Irpin, Brovary. He doesn't make it clear though if they're fighting there, or doing non-fighting duties for the army, and if he's in a foreigner battalion, or embedded with the locals. gay picnic defence posted:Shooting down a couple of Su-34s is a pretty massive blow. You never hear it reported but I wonder how many make it back with battle damage that keeps them out of action for some time. I'd be cautious about Su-34 shootdowns. Ukrainian air-defence reporting is significantly ahead footage of verified wreckages. If true, it's a collossal fuckup, since Su-34 are effectively irreplaceable for Russia, and they don't have a lot of these modern fighters. Edit: https://twitter.com/PiotrMuller/status/1504023057903534080 cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Mar 16, 2022 |
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Lead out in cuffs posted:On the flipside from Russia, if Ukraine survives, they have already begun the EU accession process. That takes a few years, but ultimately means cheaper trade with Europe, freedom of movement for all the refugees currently fleeing, and being part of a putative European defensive alliance (the EU has troops, sorta). It's extremely unlikely that Ukraine will meet the criteria to join the EU within the next decade. The country is a mess when it comes to democracy, independent press, economy and the legal system, the Ukraine ranks lower in these fields than most West Balkan countries. It will be a very long process until the corruption and the grip of the oligarchs are down to acceptable levels.
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Mar 16, 2022 10:27
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Lavrov noticeably ratcheting back the belligerence https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1504017549222379522?t=trQqefgnsiarKQ5owMxKGQ&s=19 There's a lot of reporting on Lavrov's words right now, but i havent seen a video yet. As for an agreement -I'll believe it when I see it.
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Hammerstein posted:It's extremely unlikely that Ukraine will meet the criteria to join the EU within the next decade. The country is a mess when it comes to democracy, independent press, economy and the legal system, the Ukraine ranks lower in these fields than most West Balkan countries. It will be a very long process until the corruption and the grip of the oligarchs are down to acceptable levels. Existential crises have a way of causing rapid change to happen.
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Comstar posted:Why are the Russians only using 1-2 planes per strike? I thought all normal tactics would be to hit one small area with a lot of planes, insteadf of spreading them over the entire front. They don't train for anything else basically. The US/NATO train for massive combined operations that saturate defenses and rapidly achieve air superiority, whereas Russia's training standards are far lower and the only recent practical experience they've had is bombing rebels in Syria without needing to worry too much about getting shot down (assuming they stay away from Turkey). cinci zoo sniper posted:
For sure. There's probably a number of cases where a plane definitely got shot down but two different missile crews claim it so two shoot-downs are recorded.
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Didn't we have ~10 planes taking off reported yesterday? Even if a couple got shot down it's good news. But also planes can definitely make it back to base with massive damage e.g.KitConstantine posted:Lavrov noticeably ratcheting back the belligerence "Security guaranttee for Russia" jfc but yeah whatever it takes to get them to gently caress off.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I check this thread because I think it's a good source of information, but then I read through it and find an entire page of goons arguing that you won't get wet from being in a boat... If you read it, you would have found that the page of goons was arguing against "you won't get wet from being in a boat", so you can rest easy.
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mmkay posted:Please no, it's already rapidly approaching Hungary and doesn't appear to be stopping. The war appears to shut up at least some of the rabid anti-EU elements, but who knows if it will last (probably not for long, since there're already voices about EU needing to drop fines on Poland for anti-democracy stuff in the name of unity). Recent polls show majority of people in Poland would like those dumb disagreements to be over, so there's a strong chance PiS will rein in Ziobro. Hopefully for good, the amount of damage that dude did is incredible. Probably only Macierewicz was more destructive. And for those fines: if I were working in government I'd simply ask for them to be paid, but straight to the refugee help funds. Everyone would be happy.
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alex314 posted:Recent polls show majority of people in Poland would like those dumb disagreements to be over, so there's a strong chance PiS will rein in Ziobro. Hopefully for good, the amount of damage that dude did is incredible. Probably only Macierewicz was more destructive. What about Turów? That getting shut down? 
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.lsm.lv/raksts/zinas/arzemes/bijusais-deputats-jurass-no-ukrainas-bataljona-sarezgitakais-ir-redzet-blakus-navi.a448063/ He should get a bit of credit for doing a decent thing on his last day. Namely, he voted for moving a proposed law to legally recognise civil unions (which are understood to include same sex unions) to the Latvian parliament for a first round of parliamentary voting. The parliament will now vote for the recognition of civil unions on the 24th of March. I'm not familiar with his exact political stance before, but he does represent a conservative party and the motion only won by 1 vote, with 5 for and 4 against. As a matter of fact, the vote may have been submitted while he was physically in Ukraine or en route.
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mobby_6kl posted:What about Turów? That getting shut down? I'm not even trying to understand that mess.
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mobby_6kl posted:What about Turów? That getting shut down? They reached an agreement with the Czechs, but are supper unhappy because the EU is still expecting the pre-agreement fines to be paid.
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Blockhouse posted:I know this is a stupid question because it's the question and has probably already been talked about at length in this thread but it's still all I can think about The endgame is now probably a settlement with concessions about at least Crimea and Donbass from Ukraine (and maybe some more territories depending on how the war proceeds) and forcing Ukraine to stay out of the EU. And then hoping everyone forgets about the whole thing, and western sanctions just slowly fade away.
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a podcast for cats posted:He should get a bit of credit for doing a decent thing on his last day. Namely, he voted for moving a proposed law to legally recognise civil unions (which are understood to include same sex unions) to the Latvian parliament for a first round of parliamentary voting. The parliament will now vote for the recognition of civil unions on the 24th of March. I'm not familiar with his exact political stance before, but he does represent a conservative party and the motion only won by 1 vote, with 5 for and 4 against. My man, that’s a plan if I’ve ever seen one. Vote for gay marriage, die fighting for Ukrainian freedom to avoid hearing NA opinions. More seriously though, credit is definitely due, despite his past.
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CSM posted:I wonder whether Russia is still planning to actually enter Kyiv (or other large cities), or will try to permanently occupy large swaths of the country (except for Crimea and Donbass). It seems it would be a wise plan to avoid both those things. I doubt sanctions are fading away at this point and I doubt zelenksy will except No Eu and troops outside the break aways.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Deteriorata forgive me if you've said this but are you actually in Kyiv No, I'm in Chattanooga, TN. The webcams are in Kyiv.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I doubt sanctions are fading away at this point and I doubt zelenksy will except No Eu and troops outside the break aways.
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Blockhouse posted:I know this is a stupid question because it's the question and has probably already been talked about at length in this thread but it's still all I can think about Now he's united the EU, strengthened NATO, strengthened the case for NATO, wrecked his economy, encouraged countries like Germany to find ways to wean themselves off Russian energy as quickly as possible, got all his oligarch cronies sanctioned, made the west look seriously at anyone who's received Russian money, turned Russia into a pariah and exposed its armed forces as weak and incompetent (as well as getting a lot of people killed). And for what, even if he actually takes Ukraine? Some extra oil and gas fields in the Black Sea and a buffer state against an imagined Clancy-style NATO invasion?
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Deteriorata posted:No, I'm in Chattanooga, TN. The webcams are in Kyiv. And yet we look forward to your morning affirmation of a free Kyiv. 
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