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Destroy My Sweater posted:the grind never stops The amazing creative genius of not having seen Scarface to realise Scott was doing a Tony Montana impression
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Ganso Bomb posted:(I know there are actual arguments to be made when it comes to language, but this person is not making that argument) By that argument Alex Wright could do Jinder Mahal’s gimmick
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:By that argument Alex Wright could do Jinder Mahal’s gimmick In the company that made Chavo Guerrero, Jr a white caddie, all things are possible
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Destroy My Sweater posted:the grind never stops Whenever there's a good gimmick in WWE: "VINCE CAME UP WITH IT, VINCE ALONE, VINCE IS A GENIUS" The 99% of the time when there's a bad gimmick: "They came up with the gimmick themselves, it's not Vince's fault if Wrestling Italian Stereotype can't get himself over." GEORGE W BUSHI posted:The amazing creative genius of not having seen Scarface to realise Scott was doing a Tony Montana impression "Why would I need to see Scarface? We've got Scott Hall right here!"
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i get most of my dumb wwe fan stuff from reading this thread and the wwe thread, and i kind of give up: what about wwe is the "story-telling" that people are saying they say in wwe and not aew? i know i'm probably giving people too much of the benefit of the doubt here, but there must be something they're latching onto, yeah? the most i can tell you, from not watching, is that roman is the Big Dog and the Head Of The Table and wants people to Acknowledge Him and his superiority, and he keeps fighting people and winning to prove that wwe is truly His House. for everyone else, their stories are 'they run into a celebrity that's paid to be there and they challenge them to a match sometimes' or 'they want the
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flatluigi posted:i get most of my dumb wwe fan stuff from reading this thread and the wwe thread, and i kind of give up: what about wwe is the "story-telling" that people are saying they say in wwe and not aew? i know i'm probably giving people too much of the benefit of the doubt here, but there must be something they're latching onto, yeah? constant, endless recap video packages of things that happened last week and also an hour ago on the same show you're currently watching
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long talking segments that say very basic things in very plain language. that's why damian priest cutting the same "you fans" promo 100 guys before him have cut with almost nothing preceding it is good storytelling and not endlessly boring instead. (tbh there are times where characters can work despite the focus being mostly on speaking, the baron corbin > sad corbin > happy corbin thing was actually pretty entertaining for a while and made the best of an unbearably bad character/unbelievably average wrestler. but that's one of the only times in recent memory.)
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the actual quote is just as bereft of substance. based on everything i've heard from bischoff i get the feeling he doesn't actually watch or like any wrestling except when he's on the show or involved in some way. this is just a combination of being mad he didn't land a job in AEW and attacking meltzer by proxy since he's absolutely obsessed with dave.quote:“I’ve been saying this from the get-go. I’ve been saying from day one whether it’s about WWE or AEW, it’s a commitment to story and AEW is proving my point. The fact that they have plateaued is proving my point. You can add whoever you want to your roster and it won’t matter beyond a week or two unless the audience is engaged in a compelling story that makes them look forward to next week. Not because they’re just wrestling fans and they want to see a four-star Tokyo Dome [match], no, that’s not going to grow the audience. That’s going to satisfy the audience you already have. If you can have that phenomenal athletic match, great, and it’s the pay off to the story, that’s excellent, that’s perfect. But if you’re not building stories that people focus on, talk about, relate to, and make [the fans] want to come back every week and see where it’s going next, if you’re not doing that, I don’t give a drat.”
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AEW doesn't have storytelling, which is why their audience has plateaued WWE does have storytelling, which is why their audience has shrank by millions over the last few years wait a second
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WWE storytelling is so good because it's full of surprises! That's why the commentators are constantly screaming "are you kidding me??"
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If I was trying to understand his point I think it’s less “WWE storytelling is better than AEW” and more “wrestling storytelling is bad”. In general that’s probably true and even many of AEWs successes are kind of a curved grade compared to the kind of storytelling you’d expect from any weekly show that wasn’t wrestling. And I’d guess that’s what Bischoff means by criticizing the ability to bring people back week to week and build an audience. He’s seeing the right way to be like Lost or something. Drive stories that continue each week and build and build. But it’s kind of silly to assume that’s the only way to tell a story. I mean maybe he’s right. I’m not sure anyone has ever tried that level of serial storytelling unless you count Lucha Underground. But wrestling is a different beast and the wrestling is the show. Bischoff was kind of always trying to turn wrestling into something else and make it more of a mainstream thing. The Monday Night Wars will forever be this promise of what wrestling can be and there probably no one more mentally effected by that than Bischoff. But maybe wrestling is just it’s own niche that has to be done it’s own way. Most of wrestling history tells that story. Just not that one little period where Bischoff and so many others got invested. Although I could be overthinking it (I do that). And maybe Bischoff really does think the wwe approach is superior because it’s more direct and plainly episodic. Tune in each week to see the adventure of Roman Reigns. You know what your gonna get if you come back next week. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Mar 16, 2022 |
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STAC Goat posted:I’m not sure anyone has ever tried that level of serial storytelling unless you count Lucha Underground. yeah and we all saw how well that worked out lmao
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He very clearly either doesn't actually watch AEW or is just as dumb as most of the people posted itt who literally can't see storytelling in the ring, or both. Like how do you watch the entire Punk/MJF feud and not see a compelling story that makes people want to see what happens next week? Same with Britt/Rosa/Mercedez/Hayter. Same with Mox/Danielson. Same with all the stuff centered around Jericho for the last 6 months. And on and on.
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I would love these people to show me the wrestling show that's growing week-to-week.
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Eric's point is, as ever, "hey, look at me, remember me? talk about me now"
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Karma Tornado posted:Eric's point is, as ever, "hey, look at me, remember me? talk about me now" This is probably the Occam's Razor answer. He did write a book called "Controversy Creates Cash" and that's all he knows.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Like how do you watch the entire Punk/MJF feud and not see a compelling story that makes people want to see what happens next week? Same with Britt/Rosa/Mercedez/Hayter. Same with Mox/Danielson. Same with all the stuff centered around Jericho for the last 6 months. And on and on.
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Re: AEW selling out the LA Forum: https://twitter.com/PartsUnknownUSA/status/1503933108890001410?t=jHkI7o7pUKu0ytaX8nbJFQ&s=19
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The Chris Regal Memorial Thread: You Should Never Sell Out
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Selling out arenas is bad for business! *huffs some Krylon from a paper bag*
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Kosmo Gallion posted:WWE storytelling is so good because it's full of surprises! That's why the commentators are constantly screaming "are you kidding me??" The audience is screaming it too, just for different reasons.
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I really love takes like that where the person has heard a basic fact and just completely misinterprets it. Yes, if you sell out quickly you have probably undervalued your tickets and AEW for major shows has undervalued the good seats and this has led to crazy secondary markets. And this gets taken to the extreme of selling out at all is bad. Glorious.
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Power Windows posted:Re: AEW selling out the LA Forum: This one takes the cake for me. Selling out arenas is actually bad. Wow
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Duke Pukem posted:This one takes the cake for me. Selling out arenas is actually bad. Wow Selling out that quickly... They might have a certain point from a pure capitalism pov. You'd make more money if you priced it higher but you sold like 98% by showtime rather than a sellout within 12 hours.
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Duke Pukem posted:This one takes the cake for me. Selling out arenas is actually bad. Wow https://twitter.com/PartsUnknownUSA/status/1503936633741135877 imagine 5 lemons on the edge of a cliff AEW works the same way
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Lid posted:https://twitter.com/PartsUnknownUSA/status/1503936633741135877 So what you're saying is that next time I bring 10 lemons.
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Lid posted:https://twitter.com/PartsUnknownUSA/status/1503936633741135877 If I were to sell lemons for 1.50-2 dollars people would call me a loving idiot then go to the grocery store where they can get them for 89 cents each. AEW are the vendors selling fresh lemons for a reasonable price while WWE are selling rotten lemons for way marked up prices in this analogy, except we're adding shoppers that continue to insist that WWE's lemons are the best and freshest despite the fact that the fruit flies are RIGHT loving THERE!
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When alternate universe WWE has a big sale on citrus fruits it's called a Premium Lime Event.
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Now I'm not a very smart business understander, but if you're trying to grow your promotion then maybe getting a large live audience invested into your product for an affordable price every single week would be worth it in the long run?
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So it's better to sell tickets at prices for way higher and struggle to fill seats then either paper the show and/or just tarp off most of the arena than it is to sell them for a decent show and have a full crowd that is excited for the product? Yeah, that definitely makes sense. Edit: I forget if AEW and WWE have run the same building recently, but I'm pretty sure they have so I would be curious about ticket sales and actual money made especially if AEW sold more tickets at a lower price.
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Hoss Corncave posted:So it's better to sell tickets at prices for way higher and struggle to fill seats then either paper the show and/or just tarp off most of the arena than it is to sell them for a decent show and have a full crowd that is excited for the product? Yeah, that definitely makes sense. The new building in long island. Aew out drawed
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imo if you had direct hands on control in TNA at any point in your career you should shut the gently caress up about what AEW should be doing. Is there any other industry that has a tolerance for flash in the pan success like Wrestling? Is there a podcast from the man who brought us Pogs talking about how this Fortnite poo poo doesn't know how to tap an audience?
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Gonzo McFee posted:imo if you had direct hands on control in TNA at any point in your career you should shut the gently caress up about what AEW should be doing. If the lady that kicked off the pogs craze wasn't dead I bet she would have something to say about Fortnite. Probably that kids need to stop playing it during school hours (she was a teacher)
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Zombie Lemur posted:When alternate universe WWE has a big sale on citrus fruits it's called a Premium Lime Event. Sounds like a good venue for Sheamus.
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