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We need to give the exec's and their friends time to sell all their shares before announcing bankruptcy. Edit 51: Since 51 is the product of the distinct Fermat primes 3 and 17, a regular polygon with 51 sides is constructible with compass and straightedge happyhippy fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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Mar 17, 2022 12:13
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OwlFancier posted:But if you are trying to argue that the west is somehow responsible then whether or not russia imagines them to be legitimate is utterly irrelevant, you are essentially just saying "well they think it's a good idea" which, like, obviously? They wouldn't have invaded if they didn't think invading was a good idea. Because whether we like it or not people making significant decisions do think and act as if the republics are legitimate whether that is sincere of them or not, for purposes of US style regime change or whatever weird goals the RusNats have. Doesn't make it right, but ignoring this as a factor has been a major part of the problem. I mean, I'll say if if it means my point will be taken seriously - Putin is a nationalist gangster and his invasion is not justified. I'll say it here to you guys because I respect the UKMT a hell of a lot. But I'd never say that in a discussion outside of here because I shouldn't have to! Now can we move past that please?
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Again, though, that is not distinct from naked imperial ambition, adding stages to the process does not make it more nuanced. Russia does not consider Ukraine to be a country that has a right to independent governance, I think everyone understands that quite well because they have invaded the place with the intent of removing its government. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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Mar 17, 2022 12:17
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Guavanaut posted:You know what, bring it. Leave won in large part because nobody in power was willing to refute the big lie, that "life is getting worse because of Brussels and immigrants" because it would have meant admitting that austerity and community damage and privatization were all deliberate unnecessary choices done to enrich their favoured few. I'm not exactly sure which groups "they" refers to here, but that doesn't make this post any less than 100% accurate. The downsides of abandoning climate action are so enormous though it's extremely hard not to care.
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Cookie Cutter posted:You think I don't know that? It still doesn't change the attitude of the people in the Russian government either way. Notice I'm not actually saying I agree with this position, because I shouldn't have to! Thanks for condescending to me about "what's really going on" and telling me to gently caress off though. Here's the thing, you started this venture on the premise that, for discussion's sake, you were laying the majority of the blame at NATO and the West's feet and asked for counterarguments. You didn't provide any sort of thesis statement on why you were laying the blame there in the first place, so that requires people responding to you to guess why, for discussion's sake, you might be doing so. If you then provide the Kremlin's arguments in response to people's points, it's not unreasonable at all for people to assume that the reason you'd be laying the majority of the blame at the feet of NATO is because you believe in the basic thrust of these points. Because each of your responses carries the implied coda of "and that's why it's not mostly Russia's fault". So if, for discussion's sake, you want to lay the majority of the blame at NATO and the West's feet, how about instead of asking for counter arguments and then responding to each one with "oh but that's not my position", how about you tell us what your rationale actually is for laying the majority of the blame at NATO and the West's feet, for discussion's sake?
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Reveilled posted:Here's the thing, you started this venture on the premise that, for discussion's sake, you were laying the majority of the blame at NATO and the West's feet and asked for counterarguments. You didn't provide any sort of thesis statement on why you were laying the blame there in the first place, so that requires people responding to you to guess why, for discussion's sake, you might be doing so. If you then provide the Kremlin's arguments in response to people's points, it's not unreasonable at all for people to assume that the reason you'd be laying the majority of the blame at the feet of NATO is because you believe in the basic thrust of these points. Because each of your responses carries the implied coda of "and that's why it's not mostly Russia's fault". Not if you're going to interpret what I've already said as "the Kremlin's arguments". Do you see me accusing anyone here of being a pro-West imperialist running dog? Here's a "Kremlin argument" from the current head of the CIA and former ambassador to Moscow: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html#efmBTnBfi Cookie Cutter fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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I also really do not understand what you are getting at with your line of argumentation because I do not think at all that you have demonstrated anything other than that russia wants to invade and take control of ukraine, which I think people had already guessed, what with them doing that. I do not think at any point you have demonstrated western culpability for this.
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Cookie Cutter posted:Not if you're going to interpret what I've already said as "the Kremlin's arguments". Do you see me accusing anyone here of being a pro-West imperialist running dog? Mate, I'm very charitably giving you the benefit of the doubt there by accepting your claim that the views you're presenting about the republics being legitimate is not something you necessarily agree with. That is the Kremlin's position, I'm engaging with you in good faith by calling it their argument and not your argument.
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https://twitter.com/PrivateEyeNews/status/1504123166444171265?s=19 Lol just naked corruption
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Cookie Cutter posted:Did I say that I personally recognised the legitimacy of the breakaway republics? No, I didn't did I. Anyone still arguing with the fascist: please take note of this post, in which he states that he doesn't recognise Ukraine as a country. E: and yes, that is what you meant to say, so spare us the mealy mouthed bullshit about how you actually meant the Donbas.
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Mar 17, 2022 12:37
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Cookie Cutter posted:No, I mean American civilians? You can't just add a "not" to my statement to make it mean something different. According to international law the people in e.g. Donetsk are Ukrainian citizens, not Russian. It's not me that's saying that, it's, well, everywhere on earth that isn't one Russia or another, and of course you apparently. You seem to be trying to say it's the Kremlin's argument not yours that this is true, but, well, here is you personally saying the quiet part out loud. Are they Russian citizens or Ukrainean? Which is it?
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smol bean Russia, owner of the world's biggest nuclear arsenal
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https://twitter.com/benclatworthy/status/1504408879945461760?s=19
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Mar 17, 2022 12:42
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Guys, I just can't follow this Russia/ Ukraine argument. Could you reframe it as a Star Wars or Harry Potter analogy?
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feedmegin posted:According to international law the people in e.g. Donetsk are Ukrainian citizens, not Russian. It's not me that's saying that, it's, well, everywhere on earth that isn't one Russia or another, and of course you apparently. You seem to be trying to say it's the Kremlin's argument not yours that this is true, but, well, here is you personally saying the quiet part out loud. It was simplified analogy which I have then explained later on. Not an accidental slip revealing my true fascist beliefs 
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It would be very good if you could offer a better argument then because absent one it is very difficult to maintain a charitable reading of your position.
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Mar 17, 2022 12:47
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I wish the poo poo takes about Ukraine could be kept in cspam.
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Some of his replies confirm that their friends who work there were fired. Good News Everyone! Piss & Off
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Pistol_Pete posted:Guys, I just can't follow this Russia/ Ukraine argument. Could you reframe it as a Star Wars or Harry Potter analogy? Alderaan was making claims to neutrality while one of its senior politicians was secretly meeting with leaders of the Alliance. Opinions differ on whether the Imperial response was disproportionate.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Guys, I just can't follow this Russia/ Ukraine argument. Could you reframe it as a Star Wars or Harry Potter analogy? Russia are Slytherin: evil murdering cunts who want to rule the world. Ukraine are Hufflepuff: completely irrelevant in the greater picture and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who can name two people from it.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Guys, I just can't follow this Russia/ Ukraine argument. Could you reframe it as a Star Wars or Harry Potter analogy? OK, so there's this planet called Naboo inhabited by both the Naboo people and the Gungans. Now, a certain dark wizard has been lying low for many years since the end of a secret war of ideology...
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The Russian Empire has, with justification, invaded Endor due to the Ukrainian Ewok's military expansionism who had been egged on by the Jedi of NATO. NATO must get rid if its Jedi.
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Probably not the best time to use that emote in response to the perfidy of Arabic petrostates.
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https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/ukrainian-refugees-dublin-correct-sky-23394550quote:At the end of the interview, Kay Burley thanked the women for joining the programme, but not before stirring viewers with one confusing line.
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I mean if they came in a straight line from ukraine to dublin then yes the british people are behind them, which is probably the best place for them to be, honestly.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean if they came in a straight line from ukraine to dublin then yes the british people are behind them, which is probably the best place for them to be, honestly. Nah if you let them out of your sight they try to pass laws banning math or gay people. Better to keep the Brits where you can see them imo
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I mean if there's any doubt about what's going on in Putin's mind, that article they accidentally published celebrating their glorious and swift victory should set you right: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/brave-new...ion-of-ukraine/ Beau has a video talking about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWIYfKWSAxw
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https://twitter.com/KarlTurnerMP/status/1504378703001927680P&O posted:We will be making a major announcement today which, with the support of our shareholder DP World, will secure the long-term viability of P&O Ferries. LMAO
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Mar 17, 2022 13:34
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loving outrageous. Temp contracts once again existing purely to punt workers with the mildest of benefits. Solidarity to the staff doing the sit-in.
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Should definitely sail the boats to somalia or something and try and flog them.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Guys, I just can't follow this Russia/ Ukraine argument. Could you reframe it as a Star Wars or Harry Potter analogy? I feel like we could reframe it as an Israel / Palestine analogy and get some absolutely blistering takes at this point. We will be making a 14 word statement on securing a future for white ferries.
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This P&O thing is hosed up. Solidarity with the crew. https://twitter.com/KarlTurnerMP/status/1504445837673480196?t=gxppZr1myVGVWFWTmWCctQ
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Fck nu Labour, they just lie. "this needless loss of life is terrible and all but actually it's all about my personal vendettas  "
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Completely insane. Did the sale of the company need government approval? Also, from that message the MP tweeted: quote:If you're in a customer facing roll further information will follow separately one how we would like you to work with our customers. i.e. We will fire you after you placate our customers for us following today's events.
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If only there had been a recent attempt to end fire and rehire But apparently legislation during a pandemic wasn’t the right way to ‘address long standing concerns about worker protection’ Suppose that might have stopped their mates coining it in by abusing furlough and fire and rehire eh Cunts. 800 people without jobs right before a NI hike and a cost of living crisis.
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Found a news article from 2012 where P&O were paying workers £250 a month! Like what the gently caress, and they want cheaper workers now.
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That's P&O Cruises, which is owned by Carnival and is a completely unrelated company to P&O Ferries. Getting on the bandwagon of importing staff to pay them £250 a month is exactly why P&O Ferries are doing this.
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