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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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What part of 5/5 stars did you not understand?
It’s my idea of a literary good time!

e: Uh do all my posts read like that review?

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 03:06 on Mar 17, 2022

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Frosted Flake posted:

e: Uh do all my posts read like that review?

On behalf of the department of the army I regret to inform you,

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Does it end like chieftains?

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

alternate titles in your region

the bear and the beaver
red leafs
im not your buddy, comrade

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Stairmaster posted:

Does it end like chieftains?

The Canadian Brigade in II Corps Reserve doesn’t win the war, if that’s what you mean lol.

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

is this real
https://twitter.com/BryanDBender/status/1504503945137336321

e: i'm not sarcastically shocked. i genuinely don't know poo poo about water armies

platzapS has issued a correction as of 21:43 on Mar 17, 2022

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
sounds like one of our strategic partners is getting some military "aid" soon

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

platzapS posted:

is this real
https://twitter.com/BryanDBender/status/1504503945137336321

e: i'm not sarcastically shocked. i genuinely don't know poo poo about water armies

they keep flying by accident

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




the littoral combat ship is an epic boondoggle they made them out of an alloy that dissolves in water and didnt use the right corrosion control measures

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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I’ll look for a paper but there’s a lot of literature saying the USN has basically been “lost” since the 70’s.

The gist is that in the 80’s they wanted to be more essential to WW3, so instead of OHP frigates escorting convoys while the Army and USAF got all the attention, they decided to take on the nuclear strategic strike role and take on Soviet subs, coastal artillery, aircraft and warships to sail into the Barents Sea. It started with the sort-of reasonable plan to try to harass Soviet missile subs in their bastions and prevent attack subs from penetrating the GUIK Gap to charging into the teeth of the entire Soviet military, just to have a mission that would put them in the limelight.

Then they had to find a way to make themselves essential to the GWOT, and now they have to deploy the China without a mission and with 40 years of bad doctrine.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




they also cant stop crashing

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Are the water-soluble frigates the ones built by Australians? Because lol owned if true

Grandpa Palpatine
Dec 13, 2019

by vyelkin

Egg Moron posted:

Ww3 will be fought with hypersonic nuclear weapons

Ww4 will be fought with my dick and balls

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
The Navy has also been skimping on training and running with leaner crew counts, mirroring the private sector.

Turns out a guy who barely get any sleep and were trained with cheap e-learning poo poo can't do his job very well. Oh well, even though the USN hasn't really needed to act like they're at war in decades let's run all those fuckers ragged so the budget can go towards things that get me kickbacks and no-show jobs after retirement :regd08:

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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This whole idea of “efficiency” is insane when applied to something like a military. How did that idea get any traction?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Presumably when USA started to run their military as a business and officers became middle managers or some poo poo.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

skooma512 posted:

The Navy has also been skimping on training and running with leaner crew counts, mirroring the private sector.

Turns out a guy who barely get any sleep and were trained with cheap e-learning poo poo can't do his job very well. Oh well, even though the USN hasn't really needed to act like they're at war in decades let's run all those fuckers ragged so the budget can go towards things that get me kickbacks and no-show jobs after retirement :regd08:

If you want a real hoot, look up "Fat Leonard" on what the Navy gets up to sometimes.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

https://www.airforcemag.com/f-35-program-dumps-alis-for-odin/



quote:

Maj. Jennifer Kannegaard, left, a product manager for the Mad Hatter F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter software project, leads her software design team to a working area for 57th Wing Bolt Aircraft maintenance unit maintainers, April 10, 2019 at Nellis AFB, Nev. Kannegaard’s team is working to equip Nellis AFB maintainers with programs that will quickly and easily locate the most up-to-date technical orders for use in aircraft maintenance. Air Force photo by A1C Bailee Darbaise.

WrightOfWay
Jul 24, 2010


Frosted Flake posted:

This whole idea of “efficiency” is insane when applied to something like a military. How did that idea get any traction?

If you save money on personnel you can spend more money buying ships that dissolve in sea water.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
i mean when you put it like that the money kind of has to go towards more ships

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
if the ships dissolve that means we can buy
more :nsa:

BitcoinRockefeller
May 11, 2003

God gave me my money.

Hair Elf
Fincantieri has billboards up all over the state that have a big picture of the LCS that say "Building Freedom" lol. They can't keep employees and the ship dissolves in water so I can only assume something like 2/3rds of the budget went to straight embezzlement. Between this and the JLTV being a bloated piece of poo poo Wisconsin is taking Ls left and right.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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:psyduck:

What the gently caress? That’s a Major?

The Business-ification of the US military is going to end in tears. Why is everything in MBA-speak?!

I realize you guys don’t have the Nelsonian Tradition and other Commonwealth weirdness and formality, separation between Officers and NCMs, can probably go to a briefing without Waterloo, Trafalgar or Vimy being brought up, but… there needs to be something there at the heart of the institution.

I am not making sure the “Product Manager” doesn’t get a DUI or telling the Cpl in the butts to make sure their scores are “corrected” during a day at the ranges lol.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 01:40 on Mar 18, 2022

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
Relax women have been officers for a while now

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames

Frosted Flake posted:

:psyduck:

What the gently caress? That’s a Major?

The Business-ification of the US military is going to end in tears. Why is everything in MBA-speak?!

I realize you guys don’t have the Nelsonian Tradition and other Commonwealth weirdness and formality, separation between Officers and NCMs, can probably go to a briefing without Waterloo, Trafalgar or Vimy being brought up, but… there needs to be something there at the heart of the institution.

I am not making sure the “Product Manager” doesn’t get a DUI or telling the Cpl in the butts to make sure their scores are “corrected” during a day at the ranges lol.

thats why i assume most of those jobs are being gradually replaced by civilian contractors

you aren't getting nearly enough professional types that are willing to put up with, or get off to, traditional military theatrics and would rather just chill in their pod at nike drinking whiteclaws all day before the office birthday parade

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


lol wow our military is even grosser than i thought

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


i am major karren of the ss boondoggle and i'll gently caress your poo poo UP if you don't put whipped cream on this latte NOW

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1504109029831987200?t=7SWbR6aErrshTUyBvuaoZA&s=19

Pentagon has slashed its annual order of F-35s by one-third.

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

My Facebook time hop the other day had pictures of me in an f35 cockpit back in just barely pre.covid 2020 and they're pretty cool even for all their memed-to--death flaws but the f22 is always gonna be my favorite top dog (because I'm not motivated by export sales) but always sell the inferior product abroad imo.

I'm a big fan of jet turbine engines and their technology in general and the cutting edge military designs are insane

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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What’s the difference between turbojet and turbofan again? I could never remember which was airliners and which was military aircraft.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Riot Bimbo posted:

i am major karren of the ss boondoggle and i'll gently caress your poo poo UP if you don't put whipped cream on this latte NOW

the navy doesnt have majors

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

ALIS is the stupidest loving concept ever, too.

quote:

ALIS is the vast information-gathering system that tracks F-35 data in-flight, relaying to maintainers on the ground the performance of various systems in near-real time. It’s meant to predict part failures and otherwise keep maintainers abreast of the health of each individual F-35. By amassing these data centrally for the worldwide F-35 fleet, prime contractor Lockheed Martin expected to better manage spare parts production, detect trends in performance glitches and the longevity of parts, and determine optimum schedules for servicing various elements of the F-35 engine and airframe. However, the system was afflicted by false alarms—leading to unnecessary maintenance actions—laborious data entry requirements and clumsy interfaces. The system also took long to boot up and be updated, and tablets used by maintainers were perpetually behind the commercial state of the art.

lol the entire reason this system exists is to that lockmart can try to apply machine learning to the problem of "how much can i cost-cut and hollow out the support staff, maintenance schedule, and parts production on this dogshit aircraft without them falling out of the loving sky because I doubled the service interval on the turbine blades to make an extra million dollars in 2025"

quote:

ODIN differs from ALIS in being a JPO-led effort “leveraging government and industry partners such as Kessel Run [a USAF software development unit], the 309th Software Engineering Group [at Hill AFB, Utah], Naval Information Warfare Center, Lockheed Martin, and Pratt & Whitney,” F-35 Program Executive Officer Air Force Lt. Gen. Eric Fick said in the JPO statement. ODIN will “leverage the agile software development and delivery practices piloted by Kessel Run and investments by Lockheed Martin” to achieve a high aircraft mission readiness rate and meet operational requirements, he said.

101st computer touching regiment

quote:

“Poor data quality is the top risk to the performance of the new and next generation system,” the JPO said. “That is why the F-35 JPO has prioritized building a new integrated data environment first, using commercial best practice for data management, well-defined and simplified systems of record, and reliable data quality metrics and tracking.” ODIN will be a “cloud-native system that incorporates a new integrated data environment and a new suite of user-centered applications.”

FYI: taking a stupid idea and putting it on the cloud does not make it less stupid.

Next version will probably put all this poo poo on the block chain

quote:

Switching the enterprise to the new system, the program office asserted, will enable “real-time monitoring of system performance and automated collection of performance information, and seamless management of parts, technical orders, and program performance data.”

Narrator: it didn't

quote:

The Government Accountability Office published a number of reports faulting ALIS for adding unnecessary man-hours and complexity to the F-35 enterprise, saying in a November, 2019 report that USAF maintainers in just one unit reported “more than 45,000 hours per year performing additional tasks and manual workarounds because ALIS was not functioning” the way it was supposed to.

Here's how you know you are hosed: someone refers to a fighter jet as an "enterprise." You do not need real-time analytics to be emitted by a fighter jet. This is not a loving warehouse robot you are trying to optimize to wring out the last few cents from the parts and labor budget. It is not an app-based serf you are trying to steal wages from. You are not going to do anything with that data that is going to be worth the cost and risk of collecting it unless "you" are a Lockheed Martin executive with a profit-based bonus structure and literally no accountability for the loving thing actually working at all.

quote:

In early versions, ALIS also proved vulnerable to hacking and data theft, another reason for the overhaul of the system, to meet new cyber security needs.

Lord has said in recent press conferences that driving down F-35 hourly operating costs is her highest priority on the program. The F-35 enterprise—which includes the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, and more than a dozen foreign partners or customers—is aiming toward an operating cost of $25,000 per flight hour by 2025. The current cost is about $35,000 per flight hour.

And you know what we needed to improve security and lower costs? A bunch of cloud vendors and more buzzwords. Pay me.

Don't worry though

quote:

Lockheed Martin has pitched a performance-based logistics deal to the Pentagon the company says is the only way the $25,000 per flight hour goal can be met. The unofficial proposal would involve more than a billion dollars of investment from Lockheed in more efficient practices and hardware that would be paid back by the government at a later date. Lord said the Pentagon is reviewing the proposal.

Listen you just need to give us a billion dollars and we promise we'll turn off the Outlook rule that auto-responds to emails from the program office with goatse

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Stairmaster posted:

the navy doesnt have majors

i don't care!!!!

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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It’s not emitting while in the air just to provide that marketing data though, right?

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Frosted Flake posted:

It’s not emitting while in the air just to provide that marketing data though, right?

Yeah I'm sure LockMart wouldn't like, have designed the stealth fighter to emit while it's flying just to pick up some additional data points on the seat-belt tension level in flight that they could use... to... cut their own costs...

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1504371964277841920?s=20&t=pygUWfww0sy8KJOSLyHEhg

:thunk:

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH
I'm a Major Homo in the Navy

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Frosted Flake posted:

:psyduck:

What the gently caress? That’s a Major?

The Business-ification of the US military is going to end in tears. Why is everything in MBA-speak?!

I realize you guys don’t have the Nelsonian Tradition and other Commonwealth weirdness and formality, separation between Officers and NCMs, can probably go to a briefing without Waterloo, Trafalgar or Vimy being brought up, but… there needs to be something there at the heart of the institution.

I am not making sure the “Product Manager” doesn’t get a DUI or telling the Cpl in the butts to make sure their scores are “corrected” during a day at the ranges lol.

We have a bizarre half-and-half situation in Australia where officers still have their heads up their asses and constantly talk about Thucydides meanwhile RAEME is slowly being replaced with civilian contractors.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

The Oldest Man posted:

Yeah I'm sure LockMart wouldn't like, have designed the stealth fighter to emit while it's flying just to pick up some additional data points on the seat-belt tension level in flight that they could use... to... cut their own costs...

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1504371964277841920?s=20&t=pygUWfww0sy8KJOSLyHEhg

:thunk:

Oh my god

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Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Whooops time to spend another trillion dollar developing a jet that can actually evade chinese radars I guess

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