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Mordecai posted:Is grinding expected in this? I haven't had problems with the difficulty until now, but I've been noticing a steadily increasing damage discrepancy. Now I'm defending the Roselle village and the discrepancy's reached an irritating level. It's taking me 5-6 hits to down a normal enemy, while my characters are downed in three. Sometimes two now that enemies with Spark have shown up, and the AI is good about keeping them at maximum range with dangerous meat walls in the way, including two bosses. I'm just past this battle, your experience is identical to mine. I haven't stopped to grind, but I've lost a couple of main story battles and then retried them which is sort of grinding. Even doing that I don't get clean wins, they're always messy. Like a handful of remaining characters abusing terrain and the terrible AI slowly grind the battle into a victory. It's strange how the AI is kinda good at the start of the battle when it's a 10v15, it's great at focusing down your characters, staying out of unnecessary danger and such. But, as you lose characters and retreat to a higher/defensive position, you'll get weird behavior like melee units just shuffling back and forth uselessly while you plink them to death with archers. Seems like the pathfinding just isn't setup to deal with a 3v7 where only a small number of paths to a target are available.
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In new game on normal I found that after cutting my roster slightly I was on level for the entire game as long as I did each mental battle in between regular battles. So I imagine if you've run a larger roster you'll have more trouble.
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The fight with Avlora was some hosed up poo poo. I don’t think I was underleveled but I got destroyed when I did anything except keep everything together in the corner where I started and kept doing this cat-and-mouse game where I baited individual units, ganged up on them and retreated immediately. It took me like an hour to complete that battle and at the end I still took like three turns to complete the specific objective, during which half my team got it obliterated. And I did this on normal. Not sure how I’d have coped on higher difficulties.
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Mar 18, 2022 19:06
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Serenoa's Convictions are for lovers
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Mar 18, 2022 19:46
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Vegetable posted:The fight with Avlora was some hosed up poo poo. I don’t think I was underleveled but I got destroyed when I did anything except keep everything together in the corner where I started and kept doing this cat-and-mouse game where I baited individual units, ganged up on them and retreated immediately. I think this fight kind of sucks and assumes you've trained multiple units with thunder magic. On hard it took my a good three tries -- finally managed it with a decoy lure and then Jens springtrap launching the boss away from the flunkies and straight into an ambush. Still lost half of everyone, but I think the boss only got one actual turn after that, mostly because of that Stop quietus and more springtrap cheese.
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Mar 18, 2022 20:06
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Edit: anybody got tips for the final battle on (what I assume is) the liberty path? It’s the waterfall one. It seems kind of overwhelming! Pretty sure that's the Morality path. Morality is the Green choice and is associated with doing the right thing regardless of personal cost or practicality. Liberty is Pink, and Utility is Yellow, iirc. Utility is all about making sacrifices for the greater good (ie: Utilitarianism) while Liberty is more about seizing control of your own personal destiny. I think. Each of them is also loosely associated with one of the three nations, although each nation has a corrupt, hypocritical version of the philosophy. Edit: As for the fight, yes, the best strat is to rush down the boss ASAP. Although I set the difficulty down to Normal for the last few fights since they were getting tedious, so maybe it doesn't work so well on Hard. Clarste fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Mar 18, 2022 |
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Mar 18, 2022 20:20
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Clarste posted:Edit: As for the fight, yes, the best strat is to rush down the boss ASAP. Although I set the difficulty down to Normal for the last few fights since they were getting tedious, so maybe it doesn't work so well on Hard. The way I handled it was to use Fleet Footed and book it onto the bridge to pinhole the enemy, while Corentin and Frederica rained giant nukes on the blob that formed. Erador with King's Shield is stupid good and can hold the line indefinitely as long as you have ways to feed him TP. Since the escort units have... very curious ideas regarding self-preservation, babysit them with Hossabara and yeet them as necessary.
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Mar 18, 2022 20:35
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Spark/Rite of Lightning are very good and you can potentially paralyze multiple enemies if they are all standing in water. It’s been helpful on a few maps. You could also make it rain first, if you’re using shaman lady. Blackbelt Bobman posted:Spring traps rule and you can get a weapon skill that lowers the cost from 2 TP to 1 which is awesome. I should probably unlock it lol I felt a little bad about it...
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Clarste posted:
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I loved that I could electrify the rails in the minecart map so I could shock and paralyze the mooks. And then I could call the cart to hit them. Slapstick.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Wow the chapter 13 story battle where you bomb the boat is rough. So many reinforcements and they're all elite meatbags with a ton of HP. If it wasn't for Erador taunting the mages and healers I would have already lost. In case you're still having trouble, some things I noticed playing this chapter that helped me out: If you get your archers up on the mast of the ship, they can plink away at enemies unopposed save for the hawks; even spells don't have enough vertical tolerance to reach them. Hughette can get up there on her own, and you can Lightwave one more. As long as you don't go out of your way to provoke him, Thalas seems mostly content to just stand around until after you kill Erika. Erika really, really likes to set up oil before using her fire AOE, so if she hasn't done that it's a solid indicator that her next turn won't be that dangerous.
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Mar 18, 2022 22:04
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Up to Ch 17 and Really not a fan of the setup here. Keeping the sort of paper-rock-scissors of plans feels a bit forced when there's definitely more ground to compromise Benedict and Frederica's, who both would make enemies of Hyzante, and Roland who practically about faces. Also Benedict being pragmatic to a fault is understandable but gently caress Roland for saying "both my pride and the Roselle's lives are a small sacrifice" then opposing a plan based on his personal vendetta.
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Zerilan posted:Up to Ch 17 and Really not a fan of the setup here. Keeping the sort of paper-rock-scissors of plans feels a bit forced when there's definitely more ground to compromise Benedict and Frederica's, who both would make enemies of Hyzante, and Roland who practically about faces. Also Benedict being pragmatic to a fault is understandable but gently caress Roland for saying "both my pride and the Roselle's lives are a small sacrifice" then opposing a plan based on his personal vendetta. If only there was another way...
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Reik posted:If only there was another way... I know that path's choices but decided to go with what would have been my gut instincts had I not known, which locked that out in chapter 9. Sided with Frederica mostly the first run but decided to with Benedict's strategy at the end
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Mar 18, 2022 23:00
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Zerilan posted:I know that path's choices but decided to go with what would have been my gut instincts had I not known, which locked that out in chapter 9. Sided with Frederica mostly the first run but decided to with Benedict's strategy at the end Yeah, each ending feeling hollow is what led me to start NG+ right after, I feel like the game should drop more hints about there being a 4th path in NG+.
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Reik posted:Yeah, each ending feeling hollow is what led me to start NG+ right after, I feel like the game should drop more hints about there being a 4th path in NG+. I plan on doing all 3 before doing the true route, but Roland's is definitely the one I least want to do and would be most tempted to skip
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The world of Triangle Strategy be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVJC0LJTYZc
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Cattail Prophet posted:In case you're still having trouble, some things I noticed playing this chapter that helped me out: Thanks for this but I literally just finished it today with no further losses. My strat was hit and run to lure people off the boat and then when I had the sheer numbers advantage I just charged and won. Also I used lightning bolts. Lots of lightning bolts. Lightning bolts are extremely good in this game.
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Junkie Disease posted:Serenoa's Convictions are for lovers Turns out the real triangle strategy were the convictions we strengthened along the way
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Clarste posted:Pretty sure that's the Morality path. Morality is the Green choice and is associated with doing the right thing regardless of personal cost or practicality. Liberty is Pink, and Utility is Yellow, iirc. Utility is all about making sacrifices for the greater good (ie: Utilitarianism) while Liberty is more about seizing control of your own personal destiny. I think. Each of them is also loosely associated with one of the three nations, although each nation has a corrupt, hypocritical version of the philosophy. Really? Choosing to join Hyzante and spread the Goddess’s teachings wasn’t the morality path? What the gently caress. I guess I’ll try that strategy
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If this game got a sequel, where would you want it to be set? Norzelia, but further in the past or the future? A different world with different specifics but the same general low-fantasy vibe? Or one that amps up the fantasy, with monsters and more magic in it?
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Really? Choosing to join Hyzante and spread the Goddess’s teachings wasn’t the morality path? What the gently caress. The three paths are Roland’s Moral Utility. Frederica’s Free Morality, and Benedict’s Utilized Liberty.
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Junpei posted:If this game got a sequel, where would you want it to be set? Norzelia, but further in the past or the future? A different world with different specifics but the same general low-fantasy vibe? Or one that amps up the fantasy, with monsters and more magic in it? def rather move on from these 3 nations. esp since part of the fun with a sequel could be countries themed after the convictions that veer off in radically different directions than we got here. I think you can keep the low fantasy vibes and still introduce some variety of beasts to fight to change things up. I mean this game had giant falcons.
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I don't see the point of sticking to the same region at all.
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A different part of the world where people understand how salt works.
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A different part of the world where there's a different super weird shortage. Like it's super difficult to grow grain and so you have the silvergrain wars as everyone tries to take over the only viable farmland without destroying it.
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Spain went to war over bat guano once. Let's get weird with it.
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Snooze Cruise posted:def rather move on from these 3 nations. esp since part of the fun with a sequel could be countries themed after the convictions that veer off in radically different directions than we got here. Dragons apparently exist though we don’t see any.
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Nameless Pete posted:Spain went to war over bat guano once. Let's get weird with it. And thus began the DutchTulipGuanowar Serenoa: "Jens said he can't use this to upgrade my weapon." Lionel: "That's what I was saying Ser, it's not an actual Diamond, it's a token on the Salt Chain that points to a specific Consortium deposit box that contains a Diamond." Serenoa: "So if I go there I'll be able to retrieve the Diamond from the deposit box?" Lionel: "No no no, you don't actually own the Diamond, just a unique token that points to the location of the Diamond." Serenoa: "Get out of my tent." Reik fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Mar 19, 2022 |
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there is no war in the sequel. it zooms in on just one fantasy city and all intrigue is about zoning issues. the liberty faction is nimbys.
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Monsters, mystical creatures, or more hostile human groups unaffiliated with a nation (admittedly, I can only think of bandits and pirates). I unlocked all the conviction-based recruits in NG+ Ch8, and the mathematician and clairvoyant are fun as heck. I thought the latter was worthless--they're not, you just need to be creative.
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Chapter 15 spoiler potential recruit Roland you are EMPHATICALLY fired, your mentor is you but better in every way
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I just got the full version and I'm trying to avoid spoilers, so forgive me if this has already been asked, but I've occasionally noticed characters having little side conversations in battles if they end up next to each other. Is this just bonus flavour, or are there any statistical effects at all, like Fire Emblem supports? I've mostly found them by accident so far.
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HackensackBackpack posted:I just got the full version and I'm trying to avoid spoilers, so forgive me if this has already been asked, but I've occasionally noticed characters having little side conversations in battles if they end up next to each other. Is this just bonus flavour, or are there any statistical effects at all, like Fire Emblem supports? I've mostly found them by accident so far. I dont think those matter, but if you use characters more you unlock very support like conversations, altho no mechanical benefits are given
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LOL I'm on chapter 14 and have never seen any of those The next game should have us playing as just regular people who lead a workers revolution against the nobles and landlords and royalty. I'm kinda tired of playing as "one of the good ones" from a rich noble royal family or whatever. I know it's fantasy and we see that poo poo all the time but it's a lovely trope and I want to get away from it.
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Elephant Ambush posted:LOL I'm on chapter 14 and have never seen any of those Im talking about the blue sphere convos, like theres one with erador and corentin. You havent gotten any? Maybe it only works for the main cast or something
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HackensackBackpack posted:I just got the full version and I'm trying to avoid spoilers, so forgive me if this has already been asked, but I've occasionally noticed characters having little side conversations in battles if they end up next to each other. Is this just bonus flavour, or are there any statistical effects at all, like Fire Emblem supports? I've mostly found them by accident so far. I haven't seen this exactly, but if you field certain characters in battles there may be banter between them and bosses on their turn as the battle progresses.
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Levantine posted:I haven't seen this exactly, but if you field certain characters in battles there may be banter between them and bosses on their turn as the battle progresses. I got it once in the demo in Chapter 3 when I had Rudolph end a turn next to Hughette, and they talked about bows briefly. In a second play of the demo and had a similar interaction with Corentin and Geela, I want to say (though I can't recall for sure now). mandatory lesbian posted:Im talking about the blue sphere convos, like theres one with erador and corentin. You havent gotten any? Maybe it only works for the main cast or something Could have been Erador now that I think of it. Maybe they don't have to be right next to the other person, that just seems to be when I've noticed it. I was just curious if these were just flavour text, since the genre loves when people are making fun quips in the middle of a battle, or if it was similar to Fire Emblem where relationships are built up over time that offer statistical benefits if the units are close to each other.
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mandatory lesbian posted:I dont think those matter, but if you use characters more you unlock very support like conversations, altho no mechanical benefits are given They do strengthen Serenoa's convictions, technically.
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I’ve always wondered how do those side convos affect Serenoa’s convictions. The same thing happens sometimes when I pick up items or when a mock battle is completed.
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