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Wuxi posted:Can't say much about the french side, but in Germany absolutely not. The megachuds are mostly anti-immigrants, with the odd weirdo hankering for their ancestral homeland in East Prussia/Silesia/Pomerania. And of course antisemitism, can't have any far right without that. Don't forget the people who believe the German state is illegitimate, and instead the Kaiserreich still exists. They often want the borders of the Reich back as well. For some mysterious reason most of their core tenets are identical to USA-based sovereign citizens, right down to specifics that are not applicable to Germany.
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deathbysnusnu posted:When you’re cribbing the maginot playbook things are going well. the maginot line accomplished its mission, which was to relatively cheaply constrain the possible axis of attack for germany and buy france enough time to fight a field battle under advantageous conditions. it really isn't the line's fault that the french army then proceeded to lose that field battle.
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Reiterpallasch posted:the maginot line accomplished its mission, which was to relatively cheaply constrain the possible axis of attack for germany and buy france enough time to fight a field battle under advantageous conditions. it really isn't the line's fault that the french army then proceeded to lose that field battle. "Surely they won't go through the forest again. Oh god, they went though the forest again!"
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Reiterpallasch posted:the maginot line accomplished its mission, which was to relatively cheaply constrain the possible axis of attack for germany and buy france enough time to fight a field battle under advantageous conditions. it really isn't the line's fault that the french army then proceeded to lose that field battle. all maginot line problems could have been solved with more maginot line
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Family Values posted:Discuss? Just Do It. There's a bit more to the logistics to that. That's like saying "Just Stop the Climate Change."
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Concerned Citizen posted:all maginot line problems could have been solved with more maginot line Then the attack could have happened anywhere. The French made some stupid assumptions about how the Germans would attack in the area they were concentrated in, but not being concentrated would have been much worse.
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https://twitter.com/EerikNKross/sta...6d71cc12a21%2F0 Pretty shocking seeing high ranking Russians dying left right and centre in a modern war. Would've figured they would be way behind the lines orchestrating things.
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sweet geek swag posted:"Surely they won't go through the forest again. Oh god, they went though the forest again!" To be fair I think the French wanted to have the line extend over there but Belgium threw a fit about it.
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deathbysnusnu posted:When you’re cribbing the maginot playbook things are going well. Maginot did work --- it directed the attack through Belgium. Shame about the rest of the French strategy for dealing with the attack through Belgium...,
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Concerned Citizen posted:all maginot line problems could have been solved with more maginot line Truly; just expand it all the way, or at least extend it enough to warrant the possibility that the inevitable happens again. There is a reason why Finland goes for the entire front, not just the South Karelia-North Karelia. Go to the endless forests of Kainuu to circle around, and hey, get hosed.
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Der Kyhe posted:I have to disagree on this; on an active front there should be no reason ever to have face-to-face meetings with the general-level, or even colonel-to-general-level meetings face to face. They should have comm lines, and if that is impossible, have combat messengers to deliver new orders around. There is no need ever to have everyone one the command level to meet face to face, unless you are already messed up, since that compromises the chain of command if anything happens. Well yes, in theory, but in practise it can help to meet face to face and assess situation on ground together. It's not like NATO generals always understand the risks of gathering together. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28666287 The main question is did it really happen like reported and if it did, were they aware how risky the position was.
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jmnmu posted:https://twitter.com/EerikNKross/sta...6d71cc12a21%2F0 Behind the lines isn't necessarily safer for officers in an autocracy on week 3 of the 2 day war plan.
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Nenonen posted:Well yes, in theory, but in practise it can help to meet face to face and assess situation on ground together. It's not like NATO generals always understand the risks of gathering together. Yes. I am all in on the Russians getting their generals killed in a one strike, but the idea of doing this in a target area that is known to be an enemy target is just so stupid it has to be propaganda, unless it isn't and then freaking LOL.
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Thom12255 posted:To be fair I think the French wanted to have the line extend over there but Belgium threw a fit about it. well there was the proposal to extend it along the french border, but then it was thought that the belgians would see that as the french clearly intending to abandon them in the event of a german invasion. so the french also proposed to build it inside of belgium, and the belgians considered that as an intent to have the war occur on belgian soil instead of french soil. so it was a little bit of a political conundrum. sweet geek swag posted:Then the attack could have happened anywhere. The French made some stupid assumptions about how the Germans would attack in the area they were concentrated in, but not being concentrated would have been much worse. but, crucially, the purpose was that the german attack would be delayed to the point that reinforcements could be brought in. that was also part of the reason why an attack through ardennes was not taken seriously - it would take so long to get through it that the french would be able to respond in time and check the germans. of course, it was not actually realistic to double the length of the maginot line.
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jmnmu posted:https://twitter.com/EerikNKross/sta...6d71cc12a21%2F0 Just the usual PSA that a Russian LG = US MG. The next rank up, which is equivalent to US LG, is Colonel General, and I suspect none of those are in Ukraine.
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jmnmu posted:https://twitter.com/EerikNKross/sta...6d71cc12a21%2F0 Is he a Russian LtGen (NATO O-7 equivalent,) or a Colonel General (NATO O-8 equivalent?) (The Russians don’t have brigadier generals, they start one-stars at Major General.)
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Der Kyhe posted:Yes. I am all in on the Russians getting their generals killed in a one strike, but the idea of doing this in a target area that is known to be an enemy target is just so stupid it has to be propaganda, unless it isn't and then freaking LOL. Yeah the quote read like "oh there were probably a bunch of generals there and we totally killed them". Really not worth reading into too much.
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spacetoaster posted:https://twitter.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1503879493479550979?cxt=HHwWhsC-nc6b7d4pAAAA https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1503818738264682504 https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1503818901095858182 apparently this dude is full of poo poo.
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jmnmu posted:https://twitter.com/EerikNKross/sta...6d71cc12a21%2F0 The usual line I hear is that these generals are at the front to supervise their men in person, because morale is so low. https://twitter.com/YahooNewsUK/status/1504787952907530273?t=Smv0gBWB7zI5i8qfHTna4Q&s=19 I don't know what then watching these generals explode does for morale.
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How sure are we about all these reports of high-ranking Russian officers getting killed? It seems like we've been getting a lot of reports along those lines in the last couple days but I have no idea how reliable this information is.
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William Bear posted:I don't know what then watching these generals explode does for morale. If their morale is low enough it's probably a big boost. I'd be interested to know how many generals of around this level Russia has. It sounds like they have quite a few of them - enough that they can shuffle them around to avoid too many issues due to things like this. Chalks fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Mar 18, 2022 |
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Pakled posted:How sure are we about all these reports of high-ranking Russian officers getting killed? It seems like we've been getting a lot of reports along those lines in the last couple days but I have no idea how reliable this information is. The previous ones have been confirmed by Russia itself (although obviously announced in a very different tone with honorifics, etc.) We'll just to wait and see if this one gets confirmed.
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Chalks posted:If they're morale is low enough it's probably a big boost. If you're at rock bottom, any difference is an improvement.
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jmnmu posted:https://twitter.com/EerikNKross/sta...6d71cc12a21%2F0 my guess is comms is such loving poo poo is they have to go into the field to give orders. that or Putin/co are "encouraging" them to go to the front.
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Pakled posted:How sure are we about all these reports of high-ranking Russian officers getting killed? It seems like we've been getting a lot of reports along those lines in the last couple days but I have no idea how reliable this information is. some of them get confirmed by social media or newspaper articles in russia later (during funerals, etc). at least one of them (the chechen general) ended up being totally false. so, i would not take them as the god's truth as there is still fog of war, but at least some of them have ended up panning out.
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Pakled posted:How sure are we about all these reports of high-ranking Russian officers getting killed? It seems like we've been getting a lot of reports along those lines in the last couple days but I have no idea how reliable this information is. Many of them have been reported in Russian sources though they always say something like "killed while protecting Ukrainian civilians in the special operation" or similar bullshit.
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cant cook creole bream posted:If you're at rock bottom, any difference is an improvement. Just imagining a general yelling at his miserable soldiers, walks off to his command hut *boom* everyone cheers.
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jmnmu posted:Pretty shocking seeing high ranking Russians dying left right and centre in a modern war. Would've figured they would be way behind the lines orchestrating things. A study of battalion commanders during Vietnam showed that commanders who "led from the front" had around 25% more casualties that commanders that stayed out of the fight and focused on directing troops and support. I wonder what Russian Officer's War College is like, and do they study other doctrines, as well as their own, looking for weaknesses and strengths?
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Pakled posted:How sure are we about all these reports of high-ranking Russian officers getting killed? It seems like we've been getting a lot of reports along those lines in the last couple days but I have no idea how reliable this information is. A couple have been confirmed directly by Russia. At least one was confirmed with various gross blurry aftermath photos. Others yet unconfirmed.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1504810592468713472 Wow, he's looking old.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:*snip* I would be hesitant about using sources like her, but it would appear probably so, as others have pointed out.
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The funny thing is Putin caused the Ukrainian genocide of Russians by sending them to fight the Ukrainians.
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spacetoaster posted:I would be hesitant about using sources like her, but it would appear probably so, as others have pointed out. agreed. but my guess is the video is from somewhere else probably.
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spacetoaster posted:I would be hesitant about using sources like her, but it would appear probably so, as others have pointed out. I mean, you used Alex Rubinstein as a source, so uh . . .
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jmnmu posted:https://twitter.com/EerikNKross/sta...6d71cc12a21%2F0 LOL at the Russians losing a general at the same airport that had been attacked like 4 or 5 times already.
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Morrow posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1504810592468713472 Yeah Putin looks like he's aged 5 years in the last 3 weeks.
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Pakled posted:How sure are we about all these reports of high-ranking Russian officers getting killed? It seems like we've been getting a lot of reports along those lines in the last couple days but I have no idea how reliable this information is. There were reports that because Russia have been using normal cell phone networks for communications, the US/Ukraine were not only able to listen in but also triangulate the call location and blow up commanders that way. That could explain their success and also perhaps the certainty with which they've reported these kills prior to Russian confirmation. There can't be many ways for them to know who was there when they blew it up.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:I mean, you used Alex Rubinstein as a source, so uh . . . I don't know who he is, and his bio didn't seem too crazy to me. But posting the Daily Wire and Conservative Student ORG. would have been more a red flag to me.
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