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Knormal posted:Strong classic Dr. Who villain vibes. Yeah, it looks like a robot from "The Robots of Death."
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Oh my god, a modern live-action Klingon prosthesis that might actually let the actor wearing it speak and emote normally??? This reminds me, did this last season of Disco have any klingons in it or did they mention anything that happened to the klingon empire? I didn't watch it, but I did notice that there wasn't a single appearance or reference to them at all in S3 which had felt odd considering just how important they were to the plot of the seasons before.
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Lister posted:This reminds me, did this last season of Disco have any klingons in it or did they mention anything that happened to the klingon empire? I didn't watch it, but I did notice that there wasn't a single appearance or reference to them at all in S3 which had felt odd considering just how important they were to the plot of the seasons before. Not that I can recall. Maybe at most something in a background graphic.
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Lister posted:This reminds me, did this last season of Disco have any klingons in it or did they mention anything that happened to the klingon empire? I didn't watch it, but I did notice that there wasn't a single appearance or reference to them at all in S3 which had felt odd considering just how important they were to the plot of the seasons before.
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https://twitter.com/NCC4705/status/1505609123429335049 Right into my eyeballs, etc.
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I'm giving DISCO another shot, and made it though season 3 and about halfway through S4 now. The writers really like leaning on whose 'call' or 'choice' something is.
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Mar 21, 2022 17:39
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How often is SMG in close-up gurning near tears?
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Organic Lube User posted:The fanny pack is for carrying a wine flask embossed with "Live, Laugh, Assimilate."
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Mar 21, 2022 18:08
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I always figured Borg women were Assembly, not BASIC.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:I'm giving DISCO another shot, and made it though season 3 and about halfway through S4 now. Of course. Because then, we can milk a time-sensitive moment for all its worth and then some by imposing a hard time limit (say, 5 seconds), and holding for fourteen full minutes while one person makes a facial expression as they decide what to do. Meanwhile, there's at least one other person telling them it's OK/it's alright/do the right thing/etc., and they're doing a facial expression like every actor does right before bursting into tears of joy. I watched the season finale of Discovery and episode 2 of Picard last Thursday, but I've been busy and, well, I didn't have a whole lot to say. I will say that I liked the end of this season of Discovery, mainly because stuff actually happened. I think that YouTuber Steve Shives has said a lot in his spoiler-free reviews for this season's episodes that is in line with my complaints about the show's pacing, so instead of reiterating it worse here, just go over there and look him up. I think he's a lot more generous in his reviews of Discovery than I am wont to be, but I'm 100% with him on the issue of pacing, especially over the last few episodes. They could have spread the finale episode's action out over a few episodes, and this whole season would have dragged a lot less. It's a shame, too, because this was a great season arc concept. Existential threats are nothing new in Star Trek lore, but one on this scale? Yeah, we haven't seen that since Species 8472 or the Xindi. And that's fine--every show should have one, but probably only one, or it gets old and loses all impact. And they find a way to disable the threat, but it comes back because they underestimated the threat, and they also didn't understand the intentions of the aliens, and the aliens are hard to get to, and we can't just talk to them, and... and... and... really, this could have been so much better than it was. So much better. There was plenty of Star Trek meat on this bone, but as usual, it gets bogged down in stuff that could be addressed using much less time. I don't need a whole episode about the ship's feelings. This might not be a popular opinion here, but I feel like Enterprise did this better with their Xindi plot, and when Enterprise did a season-long existential threat arc better than you did, maybe it's time to rethink how you're pacing your show. I do like how it's clear the writers are listening to the criticisms of the show, but they're addressing it in the most superficial way. For example, the bridge crew, none of whose names I could tell you. The writers noticed that we, as in the entire Star Trek watching world, were annoyed with what should have just been called Star Trek: Michael's Laughs, Loves, Regrets, and Other Feelings. "We want to know more about some of the other characters!" we said. So what did they do? Well, they continued to write the show exactly the same way, but they put the cursor in random parts of the script, added random sentences of backstory that are never really touched on again because it was all done as an afterthought, and called it a day. As for Picard... well, the jury's still out. I don't think the super-HD or whatever is doing it any favors; the Borg Queen in the stasis thing looked ridiculous. And that "you've done something wicked-dangerous: you've impressed me!" line had me rolling my eyes. But, I love how Captain Fuckup had one job--"Don't gently caress up!"--and immediately beams into midair, headbutts a fire escape and the sidewalk, has to get medical attention, and gets arrested. Because of course he does. It's plot-driven, and plot-driving, comic relief. I enjoyed it.
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It's certainly possible the back-half of S4 is going to sour on me, but so far at least S3 and 4 have fixed my major problems that caused me to turn of S1 back when it premiered. In S4 they're actually doing Star Trek stuff a whole lot! The President lady even makes a point of "we're finally able to return to one of Starfleet's original missions- exploration" a great change of pace from S1 blowing an ensign in to the cold vacuum of space for believing they were explorers. Also most of the more absurd plotting and confusion seems gone. I know everyone talks about the big issue with the conceit of S3, but I honestly didn't care. Whatever. Still they could have used more time to really hammer out what the state of the Federation was before the incident. Honestly the show could use a 22 episode season like classic 90s Trek :-/ Aside from that I've just had to get used to the schmaltzyness of every episode ending in everyone hugging and smiling at each other. And that they managed to add 2 characters who make Wesley seem cool by comparison. ANYWAYS just another person's 2 cents on DISCO.
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Mar 21, 2022 18:35
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Keep a tally of how many times Michael commands Discovery.
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So is Picard good yet? Looks bad
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:The writers really like leaning on whose 'call' or 'choice' something is. Has anyone said 'thank you for reaching out' yet
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Trying posted:So is Picard good yet? Looks bad Season 1 was one of the worst things ever produced for tv/streaming. Season 2 luckily is not that bad. Most folks like me are cautiously optimistic. So far there hasn't been anything that made me want to vomit like season 1 did in the same amount of episodes so...
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Trying posted:So is Picard good yet? Looks bad Season 2 is good.
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I guess everyone's watching different episodes of Picard than me. Looks to be on the same course for a confusing mess as S1 was.
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Sorry you don't like having fun.
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I don't think it's good. It's more that it's better than S1 and hasn't crashed and burned. Yet. It still has plenty of issues, everyone has terminal trailer voice, where everything is vague but monumentous and the plot is advancing at a glacial pace. As well each episode is just a 10 minute segment of a movie stretched out to an hour instead of their own stories. It just hasn't exploded on the runway before take off. Until the season ends I doubt I will be able to shake the feeling that I'm just waiting for the crash.
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Trying posted:So is Picard good yet? Looks bad First three eps have been really good so far.
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Picard S2 is "great" held up to the metric of Picard S1 being one of the only times I've ever used the word "insulting" to describe a piece of media. On it's own, Picard S2 has been pretty fun and decent so far and will hopefully shape up to be, at the least, Not Bad.
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its impressive for a show that was filmed before they knew how it ended or what they were doing
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Arglebargle III posted:How often is SMG in close-up gurning near tears? we get it, "Entercries" Fidel Cuckstro posted:It's certainly possible the back-half of S4 is going to sour on me, but so far at least S3 and 4 have fixed my major problems that caused me to turn of S1 back when it premiered. In S4 they're actually doing Star Trek stuff a whole lot! The President lady even makes a point of "we're finally able to return to one of Starfleet's original missions- exploration" a great change of pace from S1 blowing an ensign in to the cold vacuum of space for believing they were explorers. The biggest issue with Discovery S4 is pacing. Dealing with an existential cosmic threat is a Trek trope as old as TMP but people are upset at emotions and seem to endlessly go on about how the captain cries, which seems weird but ok. Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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Charity Porno posted:The biggest issue with Discovery S4 is pacing. Dealing with an existential cosmic threat is a Trek trope as old as TMP but people are upset at emotions and seem to endlessly go on about how the captain cries, which seems weird but ok. it's a weird criticism about S4 because there is only one point where Burnham cries and it's well-earned and doesn't stop the plot dead if anyone gets a bunch of emotion-explainer cul-de-sacs this season, it's Book and maybe Culber and Saru
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The Chairman posted:it's a weird criticism about S4 because there is only one point where Burnham cries and it's well-earned and doesn't stop the plot dead It's literally that comic with Picard talking about how they need to explain emotion to the viewers but people are mad about it now, wonder why
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Trying posted:So is Picard good yet? Looks bad But I put Snowpiercer at like 8/10 so who the gently caress am I. Neddy Seagoon posted:You're missing the easy Star Trek reference that ties into this being Star Trek: Picard; DaveKap fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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DaveKap posted:Season 2 has been entertaining to watch but it isn't without its groan moments and poor acting. On my "quality television" scale it's at like a 5/10 compared to Season 1's 1/10 This checks out, it's like 5 times better than S1 so far but uhhhhh quote:But I put Snowpiercer at like 8/10 so who the gently caress am I. Dude I fuckin LOVE Snowpiercer
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Picard S2 is legitimately good on it's own, so far. And I only have to qualify that with "so far" because of how bad a lot of recent live action trek has been. I'm waiting on a shoe to drop that hopefully won't drop this season. S1 had a lot of really headscratchingly bad ideas in it. Romulan siblings with weird sexual tension, Seven reborgifying people and instantly losing all of them, Icheb getting recast and then brutally having his eye pulled out before he gets murdered, Hugh showing up and getting killed, Data's consciousness magically being recreated from basically nothing and imprisioned, people being hateful toward Picard for no reason, weird CG stock videos that I'm surprised didn't still have their watermarks on them, a massive fleet of copy and paste starships, obvious 3D printers used as a replicator prop, and that's just what I can remember. S2 seems to ignore a lot of the bad parts of S1 or otherwise soft-retcon them. S1 felt like a generic sci-fi story that someone inserted Star Trek names into, mad-libs style. S2 feels a lot more like a Star Trek, so far.
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S2 shows all the signs of another bunch of bad ideas that flop or don't pay off, and doesn't really have any interesting characters aside from the ones who were written 20-30 years ago. But if you really like the writers winking at you constantly every episode to let you know how many easter eggs they're going to jam down your throat, I guess it's the bee's knees.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:S2 shows all the signs of another bunch of bad ideas that flop or don't pay off, and doesn't really have any interesting characters aside from the ones who were written 20-30 years ago. To be fair I think that's part of why people are more excited for this because if they know enough to do easter eggs, that means that they at least watched Star Trek, which is more than I can say for S1 or Discovery's writers.
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Y'know, no one confirmed Hugh was dead and not just severely wounded, and he was on a reactivated Borg ship that was suddenly a few hundred drones short, so in my head Hugh is still alive dammit!
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Picard Season 2 is a weird duck thus far. It starts off by directly undoing alot of the issues with the first one, which wanted to tell a story about how tragic each of it's individual characters were. For me, that never really clicked and it just doubled down on misery. The style and ongoing plot also just didn't feel very Star Trekky. Right off the bat in this one Picard is strong and confident once again like we remember him. Raffi has dealt with her issues and seems to be capable. Rios for some reason has skipped straight to captain of a traditional Starship and has lost all his brooding sadness. They explicitly mention that the murderer lady is excused because *reasons*. Seven continues to be a badass. Space Legolas attends the academy and becomes relatable and also they don't give him any lines. It then jumps to classic memorable star trek tropes, like Q trolling Picard, evil mirror universe versions of the characters and our heroes time traveling to modern day. I was worried that this might be too samey, as it's difficult when those episodes / movies its cribbing off are so memorable, but so far it's done a pretty good job of telling its own story under those constructs. Who knows how it will end, but so far it's done a good job of righting the ship towarss a better direction.
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I hope Hugh was only killed off because he wasn't interested in doing the character long term, and not because they just wanted to kill him off for shits and giggles.
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Eimi posted:if they know enough to do easter eggs I thought this said "if they know how to do easter eggs" and was going to reply "they don't". Because they don't. The writers are bad at storytelling and writing dialogue and the actors are bad at delivering said dialogue. Season 2 has better ideas than season 1 did, for sure, but given some obvious story structure missteps they've done in the first three episodes (WHY do these episodes keep ending in such weird spots?), I just kind of feel uneasy when I sit down to watch. Not gonna stop me from finishing out the season, of course.
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CPColin posted:Season 2 has better ideas than season 1 did, for sure, IDK I disagree with that. Season one- at least ~3 episodes in, had the idea of Picard needs to rescue Data's...niece. For an old man who's let himself get distant from both his friends and his life's mission, that's a good concept. They just gently caress that premise up every step of the way. Season 2 introduces a really neat premise what if the Borg wanted to join the Federation? And you put Picard and Seven square in the middle of that but then it seems that's been tossed aside for a mask up of a very generic Q mystery/alternate reality/time travel thing that mostly leaves me remembering when they could tell all those stories in 1-2 episodes.
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Picard S2 isn't bad, especially compared to the utter tire fire that was the first season, but it really isn't especially good, either. Right now, it's relying entirely on "Tee hee, remember this? See this reference? Look, we like Star Trek!" material, but the overall story isn't really going anywhere or doing anything, yet.
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CPColin posted:I thought this said "if they know how to do easter eggs" and was going to reply "they don't". Because they don't. The writers are bad at storytelling and writing dialogue and the actors are bad at delivering said dialogue. Season 2 has better ideas than season 1 did, for sure, but given some obvious story structure missteps they've done in the first three episodes (WHY do these episodes keep ending in such weird spots?), I just kind of feel uneasy when I sit down to watch. Yeah, like the characters all feel modern. Star Trek had a specific way of writing dialogue and character interactions that made them feel out of time, which helped make the show timeless and make it feel like Star Trek. The Picard characters all feel like someone you could just run into and talk to and that's before they went back to 2024. Patrick Stewart at least has the right tone this season, but he still doesn't talk like Picard. The structure of the episodes sucks too. There's no beginning, middle, or end to each episode, it all just flows together. This isn't a problem with modern TV because I can watch The Boys or the Expanse (barring s6) and I'll get a solid episode even if it's part of a larger story. I don't feel like I'm still waiting for the story to start, and that's kind of where I am with Picard. I'm waiting for the plot to even start, for anything to happen.
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The Chairman posted:it's a weird criticism about S4 because there is only one point where Burnham cries and it's well-earned and doesn't stop the plot dead It’s almost every episode where we have to repeat the fact that his planet died and he’s sad. We get it. After finishing Season 4, there is really no reason this season couldn’t have been 8 episodes, max
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Timby posted:Picard S2 isn't bad, especially compared to the utter tire fire that was the first season, but it really isn't especially good, either. Right now, it's relying entirely on "Tee hee, remember this? See this reference? Look, we like Star Trek!" material, but the overall story isn't really going anywhere or doing anything, yet. I'm incredibly worried that the time split event is going to relate to Rios' communicator...which if that's the case then I'm sorry this whole thing is a mess. Is the point for Picard to learn something about himself? Or to do time-travel butterfly poo poo?
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